Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

Postvieww said:

I still have not seen a scripture posted that states Jesus resurrects anyone and takes them back to heaven. I have seen a lot of speculation and interpretational liberties.

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Simple question - Can you find a scripture that Jesus Himself say " I Jesus am Almighty God" During His earthly ministry .

It cannot be any scriptural teaching on it -
IT Has To Be "I Jesus am Almighty God" During His earthly ministry .

seventysevens said:

Too bad you are as ill informed as keras - you guys need to study BIBLE and not just some skewed books that are not bible
soul sleep is NOT biblical - but you prefer it !

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Actually I have derived this position from Scritpure. If any came from a book as in "Immortal" then I would hold it to Scripture.

I don't see your position in Scripture though.

seventysevens said:

Simple question - Can you find a scripture that Jesus Himself say " I Jesus am Almighty God" During His earthly ministry .

It cannot be any scriptural teaching on it -
IT Has To Be "I Jesus am Almighty God" During His earthly ministry .

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"I and the Father are one.”

"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

"Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Postvieww said:

Please show us how to fit 3 harvests into this passage?

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You might as well seek to find how many people you can fit into a phone booth when you try to fit 3 harvests into whatever scripture you chose .

The Three harvests are Not a theory it IS a biblical fact of Bible - It is where the ideas of pre -mid and post comes from - but in the western world such as America prophecy is a topic that more than 90% of all churches refuse to teach anything on prophecy - the result is a multitude of people writing books and putting their own view in print as a teaching , then the readers accept their pov as fact and is gets perceived as bible teaching , some of it is fact , but depending on who the writer is their view may override facts ,

It is your own personal responsibility to take Your time to study Gods word -not mine
I provide the direction you can take to learn but the learning process and the time it takes is 1000% yours and each persons own individual personal responsibility , no different than obtaining your own salvation, no ones responsibility but your own .

Simple illustration on how - Say your computer is running real slow and you want it running smooth and you not a computer tech ,
First google ' what causes computer to run so slow' , -- you will get likely thousand of weblinks on this problem

Second make a list of the things you find that causes a computer to run slow from your research

Third compare your list to your computer and perform the tasks you have on your list
You see it takes time and initiative but you will find answers IF YOU REALLY WANT THEM!


The best way to understand the truth is to STUDY the truth of the 3 Harvests of God
The Barley Harvest
The Wheat Harvest
The Grapes harvest
The Harvest of the 4 corners of the field
Each of these have specific scriptural teachings of the Harvest of souls
Due to the depth of it I will just tell you to study them

The only time I will teach is face to face - not on the internet - It takes time and doing it face to face I will know if a person truly wants to learn or if they only want to debate or be combative , I won't waste my time to teach people who don't want to put forth their own time to research and study

Dig4truth said:

Actually I have derived this position from Scritpure. If any came from a book as in "Immortal" then I would hold it to Scripture.

I don't see your position in Scripture though.

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Shows how badly you misunderstand scripture Soul sleep does not exist except for in false doctrinal teachings - since you choose to be deceived - go right ahead - someday you will realize that people were trying to help you

Dig4truth said:

"I and the Father are one.”

"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

"Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

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That is not Jesus saying He Is Almighty God

"The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."

The Holy Spirit is living in Me as well

seventysevens said:

The best way to understand the truth is to STUDY the truth of the 3 Harvests of God
The Barley Harvest
The Wheat Harvest
The Grapes harvest
The Harvest of the 4 corners of the field
Each of these have specific scriptural teachings of the Harvest of souls
Due to the depth of it I will just tell you to study them

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Rom 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia to Christ.


1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.


Rev 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

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And ? Just what are you supposing by these ?
The Wheat Harvest ?
The Barely Harvest ?
The Grapes Harvest ?

Firstfruits is not second or third

BABerean2 said:

Rom 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Greet my beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia to Christ.


1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
1Co 15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.


Rev 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

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seventysevens said:

Shows how badly you misunderstand scripture Soul sleep does not exist except for in false doctrinal teachings - since you choose to be deceived - go right ahead - someday you will realize that people were trying to help you

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I notice you keep saying that but do not post any Scripture for support. Hmm.

seventysevens said:

That is not Jesus saying He Is Almighty God

"The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."

The Holy Spirit is living in Me as well

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Did you comprehend the words that Yeshua spoke? How can you justify any other meaning? Please explain. Please deal with the Words that He actually said and not your interpretations.

Are you suggesting that Yeshua was not God in the flesh? If you are please explain that.

If you are suggesting that He is not God then are you a Mormon or a Jehovah Witness? Please explain.

seventysevens said:

The Wheat Harvest ?

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Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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Dig4truth said:

Did you comprehend the words that Yeshua spoke? How can you justify any other meaning? Please explain. Please deal with the Words that He actually said and not your interpretations.

Are you suggesting that Yeshua was not God in the flesh? If you are please explain that.

If you are suggesting that He is not God then are you a Mormon or a Jehovah Witness? Please explain.

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You really don't understand why I asked the question
I don't have to justify anything because all I did was ask a question.
I am not suggesting anything , I am showing you how you are making assumptions without a basis - as well as showing you that you can find truth without it having to be spelled out in a straight forward sentence .

Yes of course Jesus IS God and scripture says that in various ways - but just not in a flat out sentence - it requires understanding what scripture does say and a certain level of reasoning to know just exactly what scripture means
In the same manner scripture does tell us that when a person dies their spirit goes to be with the Lord God -where ever the spirit goes the soul goes with it as it cannot be separated from it .

There are about a dozen scriptures that use the word soul that in context it refers to whole living persons on earth and Not being dead ,
The body dies - the spirit does not die , the spirit is eternal and will never die , so when the body dies the spirit cannot stay with a dead body and leaves the body - just the same way that the demons came out of the possessed man and went into the swine -because they needed a body to live in, and they did not want to go into the abyss.
They used that mans body to use his vocal chords to speak to Jesus . The part of you that has awareness; that you exist never dies nor does it ever sleep , which is why you can have dreams and visions .

Many scriptures tell us that to die is to be with God in His presence , not sleeping but with God , as Paul tells us that to be separated from the body is to be present with the Lord - the culmination of many scriptures combined teach us that when we die we will either be in the presence of the Holy God or the other place ; but due to the fact that humans have no physical evidence of heaven or any other realm except that which we currently are God shows through His Word what happens when our body dies , that we- that is our spirit still lives in a conscience state of awareness .

As in the Teachings of the Harvesting of the people of God scripture does teach 3 different harvests , which have become in modern times called pre trib/ mid trib/ post trib and sadly people have had no true formal teaching on the topic because pastors refuse to teach prophecy and also die to the bitterness that erupts when post trib attack pre trib and then it just becomes ugly and results in people not attending church ; so they won't teach it and recommend people learn it in private . All you have to do is read what people say.
90+% of the time it is post trib making mean cruel accusations on pre trib then pre trib defend against the attacks .
When I tell people to research and they will learn - often is the case that they want it their way - When I cam sit face to face with a person and talk and get to know them personally , I will learn what they do know about the bible and what they do not know and that makes it much easier for me to know and decide what path to take to help them learn . But on the internet it takes a long time to find out and I don't have that much time and I don't want to be consumed with teaching someone when I don't have the time to go in depth with them ,

I will make suggestions on what to seek out and that way they can find the answers they need , but on the internet most often I see that people have already made up their mind as to what is or is not and they have closed their mind to learn so it becomes a battle just to get them to seek because they have no desire to seek , so I will just say that there is information available

I continue to research every day - If I see someone say something I have not heard before , I will research it to find out if it is true or not and what is available to know about it , but I don't bother to announce that I am researching it as that is not necessary .
The teachings of the harvests require time to study and see what God has to say about them , Learn why they are taught , learn what relationship they have with Gods Holy Feast Days and why God declared them to be important. God has declared many times that he does not want anyone to perish and wants all mankind to come to repentance .

The simplest way to explain the harvests is simply 'readiness' just as some fruit when ripe and ready there are others that are not ready ripe and ready , you harvest the fruit that is ready for harvest and wait for the others to ripen and become ready for harvest , Some Christians are looking forward to Jesus return and are longing to be with Jesus and are anxious for our Lords return - There are also those who are not ready , they are like the foolish virgins and will not be part of the first harvest and they will go through the GT , they may be part of the second harvest as they should be ready then ,
And there is a third harvest that gathers all Christians that are both in Heaven from previous harvests and those that are on earth gathered together to one place with Jesus .

Just as Jesus never mouthed the words "I Jesus am Almighty God" During His earthly ministry . It is not necessary for him to do so as there are multiple others scriptures that tell us that Jesus IS God , and in like manner IF a person is WILLING to study the harvests plan of God they will understand there is a rapture before the GT , another after it begins and a gathering at the end of it at Jesus 2nd coming to earth,
When people say they can't find where Jesus said they would go to heaven , they will understand IF they study - but mostly they do not want to study as they have shut the door on that , There is no scripture that says people go up to meet Jesus in the air and come right back down - because it does not happen that way; even though they kick and scream that it does.
The topic of the rapture/harvests is among the mysteries of God
not like the doctrine of salvation which is taught outright openly
In order to learn and understand the mysteries of God you have to realize it requires more time and deeper level of studies to learn and understand ,

seventysevens said:

You really don't understand why I asked the question
I don't have to justify anything because all I did was ask a question.
I am not suggesting anything , I am showing you how you are making assumptions without a basis - as well as showing you that you can find truth without it having to be spelled out in a straight forward sentence .

Yes of course Jesus IS God and scripture says that in various ways - but just not in a flat out sentence - it requires understanding what scripture does say and a certain level of reasoning to know just exactly what scripture means
In the same manner scripture does tell us that when a person dies their spirit goes to be with the Lord God -where ever the spirit goes the soul goes with it as it cannot be separated from it .

There are about a dozen scriptures that use the word soul that in context it refers to whole living persons on earth and Not being dead ,
The body dies - the spirit does not die , the spirit is eternal and will never die , so when the body dies the spirit cannot stay with a dead body and leaves the body - just the same way that the demons came out of the possessed man and went into the swine -because they needed a body to live in, and they did not want to go into the abyss.
They used that mans body to use his vocal chords to speak to Jesus . The part of you that has awareness; that you exist never dies nor does it ever sleep , which is why you can have dreams and visions .

Many scriptures tell us that to die is to be with God in His presence , not sleeping but with God , as Paul tells us that to be separated from the body is to be present with the Lord - the culmination of many scriptures combined teach us that when we die we will either be in the presence of the Holy God or the other place ; but due to the fact that humans have no physical evidence of heaven or any other realm except that which we currently are God shows through His Word what happens when our body dies , that we- that is our spirit still lives in a conscience state of awareness .

As in the Teachings of the Harvesting of the people of God scripture does teach 3 different harvests , which have become in modern times called pre trib/ mid trib/ post trib and sadly people have had no true formal teaching on the topic because pastors refuse to teach prophecy and also die to the bitterness that erupts when post trib attack pre trib and then it just becomes ugly and results in people not attending church ; so they won't teach it and recommend people learn it in private . All you have to do is read what people say.
90+% of the time it is post trib making mean cruel accusations on pre trib then pre trib defend against the attacks .
When I tell people to research and they will learn - often is the case that they want it their way - When I cam sit face to face with a person and talk and get to know them personally , I will learn what they do know about the bible and what they do not know and that makes it much easier for me to know and decide what path to take to help them learn . But on the internet it takes a long time to find out and I don't have that much time and I don't want to be consumed with teaching someone when I don't have the time to go in depth with them ,

I will make suggestions on what to seek out and that way they can find the answers they need , but on the internet most often I see that people have already made up their mind as to what is or is not and they have closed their mind to learn so it becomes a battle just to get them to seek because they have no desire to seek , so I will just say that there is information available

I continue to research every day - If I see someone say something I have not heard before , I will research it to find out if it is true or not and what is available to know about it , but I don't bother to announce that I am researching it as that is not necessary .
The teachings of the harvests require time to study and see what God has to say about them , Learn why they are taught , learn what relationship they have with Gods Holy Feast Days and why God declared them to be important. God has declared many times that he does not want anyone to perish and wants all mankind to come to repentance .

The simplest way to explain the harvests is simply 'readiness' just as some fruit when ripe and ready there are others that are not ready ripe and ready , you harvest the fruit that is ready for harvest and wait for the others to ripen and become ready for harvest , Some Christians are looking forward to Jesus return and are longing to be with Jesus and are anxious for our Lords return - There are also those who are not ready , they are like the foolish virgins and will not be part of the first harvest and they will go through the GT , they may be part of the second harvest as they should be ready then ,
And there is a third harvest that gathers all Christians that are both in Heaven from previous harvests and those that are on earth gathered together to one place with Jesus .

Just as Jesus never mouthed the words "I Jesus am Almighty God" During His earthly ministry . It is not necessary for him to do so as there are multiple others scriptures that tell us that Jesus IS God , and in like manner IF a person is WILLING to study the harvests plan of God they will understand there is a rapture before the GT , another after it begins and a gathering at the end of it at Jesus 2nd coming to earth,
When people say they can't find where Jesus said they would go to heaven , they will understand IF they study - but mostly they do not want to study as they have shut the door on that , There is no scripture that says people go up to meet Jesus in the air and come right back down - because it does not happen that way; even though they kick and scream that it does.
The topic of the rapture/harvests is among the mysteries of God
not like the doctrine of salvation which is taught outright openly
In order to learn and understand the mysteries of God you have to realize it requires more time and deeper level of studies to learn and understand ,

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Glad to hear you are researching things. Like I said earlier, this topic about the resurrection and not the rapture was new to me but as I looked into it it became evident that it has a lot of truth to it. I'm still researching it myself.

Daniel 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.



This is a prophetic chapter, we have the Lord coming with clouds Daniel 7:13, Matthew 24:30, Matthew 26:64, Acts 1:9-11,1 Thessalonians 4:17 and Revelation 1:7 all refer to the same event.

Thousands ministered to Him, Daniel 7:10, Revelation 5:11

Saints will be overcome during the 3 ½ year time of trouble/ tribulation, Daniel 7:21, Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:1-2, Revelation 13:7. Saints of God will be on this earth at this time

Saints will rule and reign with Him, Daniel 7:22, Daniel 7:27, 2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 22:5

I am very much aware that not one word of the NT was written when the book of Daniel was penned, but that is of no consequence because the God who knows the end from the beginning recorded in this prophecy of Daniel that the saints would be on this earth until the end. Believe it, it is truth.

seventysevens said:

It is your own personal responsibility to take Your time to study Gods word -not mine
I provide the direction you can take to learn but the learning process and the time it takes is 1000% yours and each persons own individual personal responsibility , no different than obtaining your own salvation, no ones responsibility but your own

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seventysevens said:

The only time I will teach is face to face - not on the internet - It takes time and doing it face to face I will know if a person truly wants to learn or if they only want to debate or be combative , I won't waste my time to teach people who don't want to put forth their own time to research and study

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Sorry, IMHO that is a simple dodge. You are on a debate forum and when you present a theory to refute something someone else has posted it is on you to explain how that applies, if it takes too much time to do that you have wasted your time and the time of everyone on the forum with a claim you are unwilling to support.

Postvieww said:

Sorry, IMHO that is a simple dodge. You are on a debate forum and when you present a theory to refute something someone else has posted it is on you to explain how that applies, if it takes too much time to do that you have wasted your time and the time everyone on the forum with a claim you are unwilling to support.

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I have stated that I have presented facts - but due to the stiff-necked post trib views who insist that their view is correct they have NO interest in anything except bashing views they don't understand - It is not my responsibility - Even according to the scriptures where it is stated that when a people reject the gospel , it is said that it is a waste of time to try to convince them otherwise , shake the dust of their sandals - it is also taught that the seed will be spread to various soils

Matt 13

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,

and seeing you will see and not perceive;
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for the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
so that I should heal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17
or assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

18 Therefore, hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful,
23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

seventysevens said:

I have stated that I have presented facts - but due to the stiff-necked post trib views who insist that their view is correct they have NO interest in anything except bashing views they don't understand - It is not my responsibility - Even according to the scriptures where it is stated that when a people reject the gospel , it is said that it is a waste of time to try to convince them otherwise , shake the dust of their sandals - it is also taught that the seed will be spread to various soils

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Your choice. I will ignore any further reference you make to 3 harvests and IMHO everyone else should do the same, but that is their choice.

I don’t bash views I challenge them. You could have explained your point in the time you took to preach to us . Have a nice day my friend.

Postvieww said:

I don’t bash views I challenge them. You could have explained your point in the time you took to preach to us . Have a nice day my friend.

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I have said many times that it regards Gods Holy Feast days . Which would require many posts on each one of those God given Holy Days , then it needs to be explained how they are taught in combination of harvests of people , just as many people have shown scripture of pre tib harpazo , you insist on not accepting - that is your choice
You will not even address where the 3 harvests of pre - mid -and post teachings come from - as you ONLY read of the view your prefer and follow the same rationale as those who bash other views - you refuse to do something as simple as research -it is easy , but requires a lot of time which you have no desire to learn , as you have closed the door on doing research for yourself

This is how you prefer to believe but there is no truth in it
You will disregard anything that does not fit into your preferred view , a preference that you have , just in the same likeness that in the topic of the 24 elders - even though scripture clearly and plainly flat out describes the 24 elders having their own crowns and their own thrones which signify that they have had or will have rulership reigning over someone and there is no one in heaven except Almighty God who has that authority and the 24 elders take their crowns and lay them in front of the throne of Almighty God
You purposely , intentfully and deliberately disregard the crowns and thrones the 24 elders have , you pretend they don't have crowns and thrones for the very purpose that you feel comfortable in trying and failing to say the 24 elders are the same as the four living creatures , only for the purpose of your preferred view which has intentionally disregarded the thrones and crowns . The description of the 4 living creatures are much like the seraphim in Isa,

The 24 elders are no where near that . but you disregard scripture completely in favor of your preferred view , you will continue in that manner for anything in scripture that you do not understand or goes against what you prefer .
You refuse to study - that is totally on you my friend - you do not care at all about wasting other people time , but you won't even consider spending your own time doing your own study so that you can learn .

You refuse to recognize that Almighty God is teaching a very important scriptural topic , when He puts forth a multitude of scriptures about , planting seed , reaping harvests , the purpose of Gods HOLY FEAST DAYS , it is folly to disregard these scriptures , it is total folly to think that God is doing nothing more than teaching gardening - you CHOOSE to disregard anything that doe not fit your preferred view - no one can help you when you refuse to accept scripture
I have shown that these links have enough information that you can seek a better writings

I have said many many times Gods HOLY FEAST DAYS they are taught to Israelite people , Americans don't want to study those feats , You don't want to study them which is proof that If I posted the depth and breadth of them you will disregard all information that does not fit your preferred view , the same way you disregard the crowns and thrones the 24 elders have

The Hebrew word for “feasts” (moadim) literally means "appointed times." The feasts were laid out in the calendar year with the first three occurring close together, then the coming of the Holy Spirit shortly after, followed by the long pause waiting the Rapture of the Church. We also see God's clever design shown in the earthly week - six feasts of work and the last one of rest. The biblical history has described some six thousand years, and if we are to foresee the kingdom somewhere in the near future, then a logical one thousand year rest period is coming up.

The Feast of PASSOVER (Leviticus 23:5)
God's calendar is a lunar calendar based on the phases of the moon. Each month starts with a new moon, reaching a full moon in the midst of the 28 day cycle. Thus Passover always falls on a full moon - the first full moon of spring (usually April).

Passover is the feast of salvation from sin(1). For the Hebrews it was deliverance from bondage (1). Jesus was sacrificed on Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7. John 19:14). The Jews marked their houses with the blood of the lamb, and the Christian marks his house (his body, 2 Corinthians 5:1. 1 Corinthians 6:19;3:16) with the blood of Christ (Hebrews 9:22, Ephesians 1:7. Revelation 1:5. Romans 5:9. Ephesians 2:13. 1 John 1:7. 1 Peter 1:18,19. Acts 20:28. Revelation 12:11). We do not keep the feast in remembrance of the exodus from Egypt, since that was a shadow of the greater redemption to come. We take communion, a part of the original Passover feast, in remembrance of the LORD (1) (Matthew 26:27. John 1:29).

The feast of UNLEAVENED BREAD (Leviticus 23:6)
The second feast begins on the next night after Passover. God told the Jews to eat only the pure unleavened bread during the week following Passover. Leaven in the Bible typically symbolized sin and evil (1 Corinthians 5:7,8). Unleavened bread, eaten over a period of time symbolized a holy walk with the Lord. In the New Testament, the unleavened bread is the body of our Lord (John 6:33). The piece of bread, Jewish matzo, used by the Jews during this week of Unleavened Bread was striped (just like Jesus' body, Isaiah 53). The Passover ceremony of breaking and burying and then resurrecting a piece of this bread presents the Gospel in the midst of the modern Jewish Passover celebration.

God performed this exact ceremony with the burial of Jesus on the exact day of the feast. Men have speculated how Jesus died so quickly on the cross. Crucifixion normally took three days but Jesus died in 6 hours. Our Lord died in time to be buried at sundown that day. He was placed on the cross at 9:00 a.m. and taken down at 3:00 p.m. There was time enough to wrap the body and bury it at sundown. Jesus said that no one could take His life from Him - "I lay it down and I take it up again." (John 10:17,18)

The feast of FIRST FRUITS (Leviticus 23:10,11)
Held on the Sunday following Unleavened Bread. God wanted a special feast during which the Jews would acknowledge the fertility of the fine land He gave them. They were to bring the early crops of their spring planting (first fruits) to the priest at the Temple to be waved before the Lord on their behalf. This was to be done "the morrow after the Sabbath" or Sunday. Since the feast of Unleavened Bread was seven days long, one of those days would be a Sunday.

We have come to call this feast Easter after the Babylonian goddess, Ishtar, the goddess of fertility. But the celebration was to be over God's replanting of the earth in the spring. We miss an important truth by not using the term "First Fruits" because "first" implies a second, third, etc...

Jesus celebrated the Sunday of the week of His crucifixion by raising from the dead . It was not some other day He chose but the very day of First Fruits. First Fruits was the last of the feasts that the Lord was seen personally fulfilling on earth. But His ministry to the Church was to go on of course, in the feasts to follow, each on their appropriate days.

The feast of PENTECOST (Leviticus 23:17)
God gave very specific directions for counting the proper number of days until the Feast of Harvest, which we refer to as Pentecost. It was to take place exactly 50 days after First Fruits (usually late May or early June). It actually marked the summer harvest. Here two "wave loaves" of equal weight were baked with leaven, representing sinful man and called "firstfruits" thereby representing redeemed or resurrected men. God was predicting that the Church would be comprised of two parts, Jew and Gentile.

Jesus rejoined His disciples after His resurrection and taught them for forty days. Then He told them to wait at Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit would come. And He did , exactly on the day of the feast (Acts 1:3). It was a great "harvest" of souls as 3000 people joined in that day (Acts 2:1. Exodus 32:28). Of course that is only a token of the harvest that will occur at the rapture of the church.

Four coincidences are hard to explain away, especially when each one is so completely appropriate to its purpose. Because we have not yet seen the fulfillment to feast number five, we remain under the orders of Pentecost, continuing the summer crop cultivation, as we work in the field until the great harvest marked by the next feast.

The feast of TRUMPETS (Leviticus 23:24)
In the seventh month (usually in September), on the first day of the month, they had a memorial of blowing of trumpets. This jump in time from the last feast represents the Church Age, since the trumpet represents the Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51,52).

The trumpet blowing was a signal for the field workers to stop harvesting and leave immediately for worship at the Temple.

The feast of ATONEMENT (Leviticus 23:27)
On the Day of Atonement, the Jew either lived or died. The High Priest of Israel entered the Holy of Holies to make a sacrifice on behalf of himself and Israel. If the Jew did not strictly follow the law of he could be cut off from his people. For that 24 hour period he was to do no work, but rather was to use the time for confessing his sins of the entire year. We might even balk at the idea of merely staying awake for 24 hours, but if our salvation hung in the balance, we would try to make it.

This feast will not be fulfilled by the church, because the church owes no atonement. The church is not innocent of course, but Jesus has paid the price for our sins.

The Day of Atonement will be fulfilled for the Jews when Jesus returns at His second coming (Zechariah 12:10. Romans 11:1-6;25-36). (2)

The feast of TABERNACLES (Leviticus 23:34)
This is God's celebration of the fact that He provided shelter for the Israelites in the wilderness. Each year on Tabernacles, the fifteenth day of the seventh month, devout Jews build little shelters outside their houses, and worship in them.

God's great Tabernacle will exist in Jerusalem during the Kingdom Age worship him (Ezekiel 37:26,27. Micah 4:1-7).


Just a brief overview as I suspect that either you won't study or you will only seek to bash/undermine that which you don't understand

seventysevens said:

I have said many times that it regards Gods Holy Feast days .

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Gal 4:9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
(See the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31.)
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.


Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

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Again you post things that you don't even understand

BABerean2 said:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Gal 4:9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
(See the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31.)
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.


Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

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