Where gravity and forces come from..!

[Delphiki]

Would you be in physical form, if you lived on the sun?

You're the one who said it, smart guy.

 

[Delphiki]

The angels are right in front of me? I don't see them. I don't smell anything. I don't hear anything. (waves arms) don't feel anything there. None of my senses are detecting any angels. Are you sure?

 

[AV1611VET]

You're cracking me up. This is almost as crazy as dad's "Gravity was different back then but I can't prove it in any way whatsoever" hypothesis.

We like to refer to it as "basic doctrine" -- but trying to explain this to you would be futile, as this says it all:

I can't find this in the bible either. Also can't find evidence for it. So this doesn't fit in either science OR the bible.

 

[Delphiki]

So "basic doctrine" is synonymous with "from my own imagination". I see.

 

[dad]

-- Except for that last one she cited, I think she just might be hinting that you're an atheist!

-- I could be wrong, though.

Well, OK granddaughter, clear up your stuff here. Maybe we could get Jethro Bodine to cipher it.

 

[dad]

Psalm 104:5 He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved

Well, the basement of the earth no one has ever seen. I assume that, unlike the surface, which will get burned away, it is forever. The eternal foundations! Questions? What are they made of? Who knows, I assume that some of the same materials used for New Jerusalem may have been used. Indeed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, OK granddaughter, clear up your stuff here. Maybe we could get Jethro Bodine to cipher it.

-- 1 and 9 is 10 and carry the naught.

 

[dad]

I didn't make the assumption. I comes right from your holy book. You might consider reading it.

Well, so much for any flood layer criteria you set up. I guess you can't stick to a clear position. OK.

The Oklo reactor proves radioactive decay rates haven't changed in 2 billion years.

No. It shows that a reaction took place. The times and manner that occurred were only modeled after a present state/present law scenario. The magic dunking miles underground of the whole site and other dreams render your version a fable. Literally.

I see you were unable to address Suigetsu varves. Poor dad. I'll give you something easier next time.

In a different state, deposition was a breeze. But don't toss out a bunch of things that require their own thread in some vague way here. An honest look deserves more. In no way do they prove a same state past, of course. Poor you.

Sure. Flood never happened. Exodus never happened. World older than 6 thousand years. Should I go on?

Sure, baseless denial mantras could be fun.

I gave you one above. You didn't read the paper, did you?

You need a point, not a "paper" What in the paper would you like to present here, that is topical?

You're not very good at this, dad.

Talent on loan from God.

Show me the peer-reviewed papers, dad. Show me science from the actual journals that supports you.

Show me the science that extends beyond the present state.

 

[dad]

I'm not hinting. The bible makes it clear that dad should be considered a fool. It's his holy book after all.

If you interpret a fool as being someone that doesn't believe in Satanic fairy tales, maybe. I don't think you have the spirit of the thing down pat.

 

[Delphiki]

Show me the science that extends beyond the present state.

Tonight. Go outside. Look up. The further away stuff is, the further back in time you are looking. If it's a clear night, and you wait for the moon to go down to allow for optimal viewing, look in the direction of the Andromeda constellation and you will see the Andromeda galaxy. The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. This means that when you look at it, you are seeing it as it was 2.5 million years ago (the sign that Einstein is holding in your avatar explains why this is). Note how it holds it's spiral shape, and consists of billions of stars. This is impossible without gravity.

In short: 2.5 million years ago, gravity was STILL THE SAME.

I showed you mine, you show me yours.

 

[Delphiki]

If you interpret a fool as being someone that doesn't believe in Satanic fairy tales, maybe. I don't think you have the spirit of the thing down pat.

Fairy tales don't have evidence and come from a book of fantastically unrealistic stories. You know... like the bible.

 

[dad]

QED and QCD explain the source of the weak and strong forces.

How? Is it supported more than a Mother Goose explanation?

The problem you are having here is that your questions are wrong.

No. You just aren't programmed for a response to thinking questions.

It is like me asking, why does god exist? Your answer would be he is just there, fundamental, you do not have a reason for a god to exist and the same goes for these forces.

Big difference. Of course we have a reason God exists, He is well known and even on a personal level. Also, God is not claimed as part of a science claim, as the fundamental forces of the nature we know are.

Mass causes it, via the warping of space-time.

Proof?

No, no one knows and no one will claim anything without the evidence to back it up *cough*

How pathetic then. No one knows, or would dare claim to. Wow. I am up against a powerful thing here.

That is not evidence; you have not shown any of that. Let alone why stars of all things would be spiritual.

Why not? If the bible indicates a connection, I assume there is one. Science doesn't know one way or another.

Now, if fallen angel's stars tended to move to the red shifted position from earth perspective, or some such, it would give new meaning to star color..

But I don't know, and science doesn't know. God does know, so I will lean to His side.
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Try God, He is quite a high.

 

[dad]

Fairy tales don't have evidence and come from a book of fantastically unrealistic stories. You know... like the bible.

True, that is why I compared science to fairy tales, not the bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. This means that when you look at it, you are seeing it as it was 2.5 million years ago...

Nope

Distance ≠ Time

 

[dad]

Even if humans never learn every detail of how these forces originated and operate, it does not mean that God (term used loosely) is micromanaging these details in the universe.

Setting up forces over a whole earth zone or other zone in the universe is hardly micro anything! Really. If I walk into a room, and turn on a light switch, am I micro managing the electo magnetic force?

He (used loosely) may have set these forces in motion, and then left them to operate on their own.

Or, He may be a part of it, hooked to His will and able to change and respond as needed, despite physical only man's silly little unknowing limited godless perspective.

I have trouble understanding why anyone would want people to abandon the pursuit of knowledge in the areas of science, and simply turn to the Bible for all of the answers. In my opinion, The Bible was not intended to be a science textbook.

Because without God there is no finding answers, or ability to get the big picture. The real pursuit of knowledge includes God. To think otherwise is to be deceived greatly.

 

[Delphiki]

True, that is why I compared science to fairy tales, not the bible.

Well I guess you'd have to if you were going for contrast.

Again. I showed you my evidence. Where's yours?

 

[dad]

Some think that angels are not physical forms. Some think that angels are all around us. Some think that angels are in heaven (a spiritual place).

What if the far universe were a spiritual place?

 

[Delphiki]

Nope

Distance ≠ Time

No, but speed is distance/time. Light speed is a constant. It takes 2.5 million years for Andromeda's light to hit your eye. They call it a "light year" because it is the distance that light travels in one year. (light speed is also represented by the letter 'C', as in dad's avatar)

Speed = Distance / Time
Light Speed = 5.88 trillion miles / 1 year

 

[dad]

Tested and tried? That's hilarious. If it were tested, then it would be science -- provided the tests passed.
Physical only science? So science is supposed to test and measure make-believe? Isn't that what religion is for?

The bible is real science. What you have bough into is a decoy.

*sigh*
Gravity, weak force, strong force, and electromagnetic force. Those are the fundamental forces. Fundamental forces are they. They are the fundamental forces.

Are you going to say nobody's explained it again?

Lurkers take note. The guy seems to think he just explained these forces by virtue of mentioning them!


Science is deeper than that.

You say you can break these forces down into components, then they are no longer considered fundamental.

I do?? I think you made that up, I don't recall saying that.

If you say they are the power of God, then for that to be considered science, you have to show your evidence -- otherwise, it's just religious blather.

For science to tap into the real power and knoweledge it cannot remain a body that omits God in their knowledge. Otherwise, of course they can never find anything. Ever learning, never able to come to a knowledge....Hamster science!!!!


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[sandwiches]

The bible is real science. What you have bough into is a decoy.