Where gravity and forces come from..!

[Nomarga]

It facilitates the sin wars.

No. The rebellion of the Lesser Evils that banished Diablo, Mephisto and Baal from Hell to Earth facilitated the Sin Wars.

 

[Split Rock]

Sin wars go way back. Science doesn't make it better.

The argument wasn't about science failing to change human behavior for the better, but rather facilitating bad human behavior.

 

[Split Rock]

No. The rebellion of the Lesser Evils that banished Diablo, Mephisto and Baal from Hell to Earth facilitated the Sin Wars.

Maybe, but I would never shove a crystal shard into my skull because of it!

 

[TaylorC]

Jesus didn't. Neither did the prophets or apostles. There is a difference in religions.

He only threatened every non-believer with an eternity of torture for not accepting his teachings. It may just be a threat, but the thing is that you believe (unless you reject a literal hell) that it's a threat that will be acted upon, as a matter of fact. And when we're comparing a couple planes killing people in two skyscrapers to the eternal torment and suffering of countless billions, there is indeed a difference, and your god hardly comes out ahead.

 

[ug333]

So how does that work? Not knowing and admitting not ever being able to know somehow adds to science? Unbelievable.

Absolute knowledge of everything is not required for there to be value in the knowledge you do have. It isn't the lack of knowledge of what makes the fundamental forces that is valuable, but all of the knowledge we have gained.

Apply that to God.

I have. Direct observation isn't required, but observation of the evidence is.

If they want to convict God of lying about creation, they better know something of what they are talking about, unlike now.

We do know something. We know quite a bit. We know enough to say that the literal creation mentioned in the bible is not consistent with the physical evidence left behind. Evolution has proven very consistent with the evidence. Unless God manipulated the evidence to make it look like the earth is old and life evolved....

 

[Nomarga]

Maybe, but I would never shove a crystal shard into my skull because of it!

Eesh, no doubt. You could always have it put in your chest like Tal Rasha.

 

[dad]

No. The rebellion of the Lesser Evils that banished Diablo, Mephisto and Baal from Hell to Earth facilitated the Sin Wars.

You seem confused. Hell hasn't been unleashed on earth yet. Do you see a bottomless pit smoking? Don't think name dropping impresses me.

 

[dad]

He only threatened every non-believer with an eternity of torture for not accepting his teachings.

Source?

It may just be a threat, but the thing is that you believe (unless you reject a literal hell) that it's a threat that will be acted upon, as a matter of fact.

Jesus will take over. Those that truly embrace the evil one will find they bunk together, apparently. So why not take salvation? I think His gift, paid for in His blood is the best way to go.

And when we're comparing a couple planes killing people in two skyscrapers to the eternal torment and suffering of countless billions, there is indeed a difference, and your god hardly comes out ahead.

He offers salvation. The ones that steered the plane offered death.

 

[dad]

The argument wasn't about science failing to change human behavior for the better, but rather facilitating bad human behavior.

So it facilitates bad behavior...killers can kill more people. Wow. Three cheers for man's wisdom.

 

[dad]

You should really educate yourself a bit more there, sport: History of abortion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You should blush at the millions murdered.

 

[dad]

Oh, you did the whole "he said the word 'time', so lets debate what time is even though it's not the subject of the sentence" thing.

Time is topical.

Ok.. I'll derp it down for you without using the word "time": Throughout history, science has proven itself, where religion has failed us. There's no reason to believe the trend will reverse direction in the future.

You are dreaming in technicolor. Science fails to save man. Both religion and science can be and are used by sinning men.

I don't believe medications were formed in the big bang. I believe advances in science allowed man to make such things.

Duhhh...ya think??

Remember, you're the guy that thinks stuff just pops into existence from nothing, not me.

Your universe popping out of an imaginary speck is a hard act to follow.

As for lifeforms, I've already explained what pieces of abiogenesis we can actually demonstrate in a lab.

Nonsense. No labs existed in creation.

There is not one piece of divine creation that can be or has even been demonstrated -- ever.

It is all a demo. Sorry you missed it.

Oedipus complex existed well before Freud. He neither discovered it, nor coined the term. He merely studied it.

great. ...So...?

Also, I wouldn't say that no mental afflictions are spiritual, even though there's no reason to think such a thing (again -- no evidence for spirits) -- But I would say that an obsession with spiritualism could definitely be a mental affliction.

You would say....blah blah. Who cares? Jesus said stuff. That matters.

Prove it. Show me a science journal that thanks, or even mentions Satan.

He prefers to stay unanimous.

Stealing a term I've been using to describe your position and trying to put it to your own use against me, eh? How creative of you.

Thanks. I'll take it.

No, the subject of God is irrelevant in science.

No. Science is irrelevant in God.

Such is the nature of actual reality.

You are not the judge.

Thank you for demonstrating your lack of appreciation for what's allegedly your God's creation.

Comprehension deficit is showing.

No, on topic. Don't dodge. Reason why it's on topic: Modern transportation is an achievement of science - not religion.

When you can go to the future get back to us..

Which is what's disturbing. I wonder who else can order the deaths of millions of people and get away with it just because they turn around and say "but I'm still a good entity".

You are dreaming.

And still, these acts were not committed in the name of science, but were carried out in what can be seen as an abuse of scientific knowledge. You know, like how abortion bombers abuse their religious knowledge to commit atrocities.

Acts are committed in the name of God and science. Think about it. A lot.

Not irrelevant. Wars have been fought in the name of religion and in the name of God. ...Never in the name for science.

So if N Korea gets hit or Iran, to stop their science, you believe that is religious?

Same thing as previously stated.

Then same reply as previously stated.

Trips to the moon were not ego trips, but actually helped toward discovering it's origin, composition, and nature.

So they helped to create a fable of the magic moon dust from the magic planet smash. Wow. Money well wasted.

Also, gravity is not magic -- I think that explains the title of this thread.

Since you admit not knowing what gravity is, ...some explanation!

Jesus didn't have airplanes available at his disposal.

Yet He flew up to heaven. Cool.

And, there's only a difference in semantics in religions. They're all meant to do the same thing; keep people like you in complacent control -- because you wouldn't have any morals without it.

Opiate of the people..much? How nouveau!

 

[TaylorC]

Source?

Matthew 11:20-24, Matt. 14:31-32, Matt. 25:41-47, Mark 6:11, Mark 16:16, Luke 10:10-15, Luke 13:3, Luke 19:22-27, John 3:18 & 3:36, and John 15:6. In other words, open any gospel and start reading.

Jesus will take over. Those that truly embrace the evil one will find they bunk together, apparently. So why not take salvation? I think His gift, paid for in His blood is the best way to go.

Your personal assurance doesn't mean much to me, and it's particularly humorous to me that you request my sources right before making these bold and unverifiable assertions. It suggests that you care a little more for objectivity when it comes to those criticizing your religion than when it comes to determining if it's true or not.

Why not take it? I have to laugh at these questions, so full of the same flaws as Pascal's Wager. If I don't actually believe or see the truth in something, why take it "just in case"? Isn't your god all-knowing and doesn't he supposedly value faith over fire-insurance conversions? My question would be, why believe we need salvation in the first place?

He offers salvation. The ones that steered the plane offered death.

They offered death to their victims, but I guarantee you they thought their religion was offering them salvation. Christianity had its share of crusaders, inquisitions, and witch prosecutors too, not to mention that God's initial offer to humanity, according to Paul, was death (2 Corinthians 3:7). Hey, you and the hijackers have more in common with your beliefs than you thought...

 

[Nostromo]

Your universe popping out of an imaginary speck is a hard act to follow.

How is that any more difficult to accept than an intelligence of unknown origins popping the universe out of his imagination?

 

[Delphiki]

Time is topical.

Yes, I rub a little on my elbows and knees now and then to prevent irritation and flaking.

Duhhh...ya think??

Wow, did you really forget 2 posts of history? You made a straw man argument. Stop playing town idiot, for once, would you?

Your universe popping out of an imaginary speck is a hard act to follow.

Ok, 2nd little piggy. How much straw do you really have?

Nonsense. No labs existed in creation.

No, they recreate the environment of an early earth in a lab. We have the means and technology to do this, you know (and even that is pretty old technology). Most humans in general are actually a lot smarter than you, I've discovered. You'd be amazed!

It is all a demo. Sorry you missed it.

When you start making nonsensical comments like this, it shows your defeat.

great. ...So...?

So, your argument fails. Please try to remember more than 1 of your own posts. Even if you can't you can always scroll up to see the thread of the conversation.

You would say....blah blah. Who cares? Jesus said stuff. That matters.

Are you even old enough to be a dad?

He prefers to stay unanimous.

Well, that's good that.. he... agrees with himself? What?

No. Science is irrelevant in God.

Apparently.

You are not the judge.

It's an observation, not a judgment. Judgment is yalls peoples' thing.

When you can go to the future get back to us..

I travel into the future at a rate of 1 second per second.

So all the cars, planes, trains, boats, spaceships, etc that exist are garbage to you because we can't time travel? Seriously? I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean. Your mom should have tried harder to keep you away from paint and glue.

So they helped to create a fable of the magic moon dust from the magic planet smash. Wow. Money well wasted.

Where are getting this "magic" idea from? You're the one that believes in magic, not me. The stuff I know actually has evidence. Magic isn't real. I'm beginning to understand why you think you can use an atheist attitude to argue your theist positions - it's because you don't understand their meanings or implications. When someone calls your god "a magic sky daddy" it's because all the stuff he does is performed by unrealistic, impossible, and non-physical means.. like magic. Moon real. Magic not real.

Oh, and...

Since you admit not knowing what gravity is, ...some explanation!

I'm glad you found it helpful. I'd like to get this idea that the moon and gravity are magic out of your head. Look, just because something isn't evident as showing God did it, doesn't mean it was magic. Most things.. well actually ALL things, you'll find, have reasonable explanations to them. The endless goal in science is to find these explanations.

Yet He flew up to heaven. Cool.

Well that's good. I hope he didn't run in to any trade towers.

Opiate of the people..much? How nouveau!

Well, when nearly every theist tells you that you need religion for morals.. and yet... I have morals.. It says to me that without religion, theists wouldn't have any morals. From what your demographic tells me, you need to be afraid of God and going to hell to be a good person. You need to believe in God, apparently, because otherwise you'd go amok -- at least that's what you people like to tell me.

 

[Delphiki]

Yeah, dad. Your arguments have been reduced to an unintelligible pile of double-you-tee-eff. It's clear you can no longer follow a train of thought or thread of conversation. I think you've finally begun to understand how very real and practical science actually is, and the realization of having lived a lie your entire life is beginning to drive you insane (if you weren't already, anyway). I'm going to smile and slowly step back, to maybe save you from hurting yourself. I can see that you're beginning to reach your limit of tolerance for reality and reason.

Have a good day!

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, I rub a little on my elbows and knees now and then to prevent irritation and flaking.

-- score one for sarcasm.

 

[Split Rock]

So it facilitates bad behavior...killers can kill more people. Wow. Three cheers for man's wisdom.

So go ahead and move into that cave on a deserted island in the Pacific. Far away from "man's wisdom." Just don't forget to take your Bible, and AVET with you.

 

[AV1611VET]

So go ahead and move into that cave on a deserted island in the Pacific.

May I suggest Talofofo Falls?

 

[Ayersy]

May I suggest Talofofo Falls?

I like that name.

 

[AV1611VET]

I like that name.

I like Dededo too -- (enounced: "deh-deh-doe" ; pronounced: "diddy-doe").