Where gravity and forces come from..!

[AV1611VET]

I’m using the word fear to mean an unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation or awareness of danger; or anxious concern.

Did you miss #3 in that link?

 

[Upisoft]

Who said men are all knowing?

As we are talking about Genesis 1 this implies that the Bible is the word of men. I agree.

One should take the book as a whole. Better to be honest.

OT was a whole before Jesus appearance. You inserted Jesus in Genesis 1, not me. There are enough characters without a story in OT. But you have story without a character and you insert Jesus, as if it is the only option. And you said you read it literally. If you ask a Jew living before the time of Jesus will he also insert Jesus in that gap?

Prove it?
Says....who??

I already did it. 459
Read what God said marked with green and blue and what He did marked with green only.
Genesis (1:26-27) for those who didn't pay attention.

Generally when I have heard 'gap' it refers to a time gap in creation week allowing for old ages and evolution. Since you are playing with words here, and want gap to mean anything less than being all knowing...then man is full of gaps. God never meant to provide all knowing knowledge in the verse you are harping on.

I was talking about all relevant to us knowledge.
Do you say that God omitted to tell us we were created in His likeness, because it was irrelevant?
Do you say that God didn't tell us that Jesus was there (as you seem to think), because it was also irrelevant?

 

[3sigma]

Did you miss #3 in that link?

No, I didn’t miss it. It just isn’t the sense in which I was using the word. I was pointing out how religions use fear and anxiety to promote compliance with their teachings. You quoted Proverbs 1:7. If you read the rest of that chapter, you will see that the fear being promoted is not awe, but anxiety. Here’s how it ends.

Proverbs 1:24-33

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

Notice how it warns of desolation, destruction, distress, anguish and slaying if you don’t follow the teachings of the Christian religion. Notice how the last line offers safety and protection from fear if people believe what Christianity tells them. Religions use fear and anxiety to promote compliance with their teachings.

 

[dad]

As we are talking about Genesis 1 this implies that the Bible is the word of men. I agree.

You said there were
" knowledge gaps in Genesis 1".
No verse is meant to contain all knowledge. That is ridiculous.

OT was a whole before Jesus appearance. You inserted Jesus in Genesis 1, not me. There are enough characters without a story in OT. But you have story without a character and you insert Jesus, as if it is the only option. And you said you read it literally. If you ask a Jew living before the time of Jesus will he also insert Jesus in that gap?

Even the early Hebrew used the plural form of the word. The details of who it was came later, regardless of what a Jew or anyone else might think. The gap is mostly in your thinking.

I already did it. 459
Read what God said marked with green and blue and what He did marked with green only.
Genesis (1:26-27) for those who didn't pay attention.

Childish. Never heard such a lame so called point.

I was talking about all relevant to us knowledge.
Do you say that God omitted to tell us we were created in His likeness, because it was irrelevant?

Ge 1:26 -And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Doesn't look all the "omitted" to me!

Do you say that God didn't tell us that Jesus was there (as you seem to think), because it was also irrelevant?

He did. You thinking it all had to be in the same time, and verse is what threw you.

 

[Delphiki]

Psalm 14:1a The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

...while the wise say it out loud.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Wrong.

What they fail to understand is that God did it, therefore get busy researching it.

Wrong again.

God lambasted Job for not having a proper understanding of creation.

Read His questions to Job, virtually every question put to him is about creation.

What needs to be know is that "God did it" is the beginning of proper research.

Proverbs 1:7 ¶ The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

(Notice that atheists will despise this wisdom and instruction.)

This would be true - if God existed. We've no evidence that She does.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

How do you know? you're an agnostic.

I know. I'm an atheist.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

And if there is no sun, why use sunscreen?

If there were no sun, there would be no sunscreen.

There's probably no gods, so we don't need godscreen.

 

[Delphiki]

Religion... It's EXACTLY like this.

YouTube - If God was a Car

 

[dad]

If there were no sun, there would be no sunscreen.

There's probably no gods, so we don't need godscreen.

Who determines probability, and by what standard?

 

[dad]

Religion... It's EXACTLY like this.

Present stateism is exactly...religion.

 

[dad]

This would be true - if God existed. We've no evidence that She does.

Confused about the hes and shes?

 

[AV1611VET]

Confused about the hes and shes?

She said she's an atheist, remember?

 

[dad]

She said she's an atheist, remember?

Hmm I guess that couldn't help.

 

[Upisoft]

You said there were
" knowledge gaps in Genesis 1".
No verse is meant to contain all knowledge. That is ridiculous.

I said "all relevant knowledge", not "all knowledge". Can you read?

Even the early Hebrew used the plural form of the word. The details of who it was came later, regardless of what a Jew or anyone else might think. The gap is mostly in your thinking.

It is in plural form, but it seems you put Jesus in that plural. It is you, not the Bible. Where is the verse that tells us Jesus was present during the creation? Maybe you are a prophet, aren't you?

Childish. Never heard such a lame so called point.

Putting labels will not dismiss a point.

Ge 1:26 -And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Doesn't look all the "omitted" to me!

Indeed, now find the confirmation of it in the next verse. As you know, everything claimed by God must be confirmed, otherwise the book could be written by mortal men.

He did. You thinking it all had to be in the same time, and verse is what threw you.

This is because anyone will be able to write a book that will "confirm" OT and then claim Godness. The proper way to prevent this happening is to mention Jesus in Genesis 1. It is not that much to add.

 

[Delphiki]

Confused about the hes and shes?

Does God literally have his own penis? And as we're created in his image, does he have XY chromosomes too? Please show me where this is in your Holy Handbook.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please show me where this is in your Holy Handbook.

You have to ask a question like that, when God is called "Father", "He", "Him" and "His" all throughout the Scriptures?

This is an excellent example of how you guys try so hard not to understand, you make yourselves look silly.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

You have to ask a question like that, when God is called "Father", "He", "Him" and "His" all throughout the Scriptures?

This is an excellent example of how you guys try so hard not to understand, you make yourselves look silly.

So God is a male with a penis and gonads. Good to know.

 

[brinny]

Anyone know what causes gravity? Exactly? How about the strong or weak nuclear forces? How about atomic spin? Where do the forces in our universe, or part of it, come from? How did they get there, according to science? Why must they be as they are?

For Christians, the answer is obvious. God created it, and set it up that way. Intelligently designed, and set in motion.


Science knows somewhat about how physical laws work, but not what they are!

This is one reason we may not assume our laws will be here till the universe dies from them. Or that they were here at creation.

Gravitons R.I.P.


So, laws here in our physical world, and environs are set up for here and now. Not forever.

Excellent questions.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Confused about the hes and shes?

Not at all. Merely bored with old-fashioned gender assignments for something that cannot, by definition, have a gender.