Where does the GOP stand on Contraception?

[Pommer]

She consented to the sex without a condom. I see that as her choice. Setting boundaries is part of being an adult.

If the husband will not accede to his wife’s wishes, then he has put the onus (for contraception) back onto the wife, who will then take what steps she deems appropriate to prevent her from becoming pregnant.

So your original objection to hormonal BC is rendered moot, since the husband cannot bring himself to agree with his wife and use the condom.

(Just some we’re clear, I am not “arguing“ with you, just pointing out the ramifications of your stated preference in contraception methods.)

 

[DaisyDay]

If he rapes he pays consequences if reported.

Somewhat rarely.

 

[NxNW]

There are a lot of children that were aborted that are hoping beyond hope that their parents will get saved and go to heaven. But they know the odds are against that.

Then it's not really heaven, is it?

 

[Adam56]

If the husband will not accede to his wife’s wishes, then he has put the onus (for contraception) back onto the wife, who will then take what steps she deems appropriate to prevent her from becoming pregnant.

So your original objection to hormonal BC is rendered moot, since the husband cannot bring himself to agree with his wife and use the condom.

(Just some we’re clear, I am not “arguing“ with you, just pointing out the ramifications of your stated preference in contraception methods.)

I don’t think it’s rendered moot.

Somewhat rarely.

Fix the justice system then.

 

[DaisyDay]

I don’t think it’s rendered moot.

Fix the justice system then.

Or allow women to control their own birth control should they choose until the justice system is perfect.

 

[Pommer]

I don’t think it’s rendered moot.

One sentence replies, while concise, do not further anyone’s understanding of your position. Please elaborate further, thanks.

Fix the justice system then.

In the 1960s no state had marital rape laws, now nearly all do, so the justice system has been modified somewhat to address that issue. However, we had been talking about contraception, not marital rape.

 

[Diamond72]

Then it's not really heaven, is it?

They still have family in Heaven. My daughter has 50 or 60 relatives that have been to visit her. Also my son is in Heaven now also. So He can tell her about her father. They just have not had the opportunity to experience life on earth.

I understand what you are saying though. All these children being raised by angels and not their parents.

 

[Pommer]

They still have family in Heaven. My daughter has 50 or 60 relatives that have been to visit her. Also my son is in Heaven now also. So He can tell her about her father. They just have not had the opportunity to experience life on earth.

I understand what you are saying though. All these children being raised by angels and not their parents.

“Raised by angels”?
I’m pretty sure that an immortal soul doesn’t need to be “raised” (but then I’m a heathen, so what would I know).

 

[Diamond72]

“Raised by angels”?

Yes, I saw two angels. Even talked to one of them. He looked very intelligent and was reading a book. I just thought he was educating himself but later on I found out he was reading the book of her life.

Psalm (139 16)"
Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

The other once was dumb and looked like Shrek, he never took his eyes off of her. He watched her constantly to keep her safe. They say we have angels assigned to us to help us become the person God wants us to be and to keep us safe from all danger.

 

[NxNW]

They still have family in Heaven. My daughter has 50 or 60 relatives that have been to visit her. Also my son is in Heaven now also. So He can tell her about her father. They just have not had the opportunity to experience life on earth.

I understand what you are saying though. All these children being raised by angels and not their parents.

I mean if you're missing people who aren't there, then it doesn't sound like heaven.

 

[Diamond72]

I mean if you're missing people who aren't there, then it doesn't sound like heaven.

Yes, I would tend to agree.

• While there is no explicit mention of sadness in heaven regarding those who don’t make it, some interpretations suggest that God’s perfect love and justice would prevail. In this view, the redeemed might have compassion for those who didn’t accept salvation but wouldn’t feel personal sadness.

 

[NxNW]

• While there is no explicit mention of sadness in heaven regarding those who don’t make it, some interpretations suggest that God’s perfect love and justice would prevail. In this view, the redeemed might have compassion for those who didn’t accept salvation but wouldn’t feel personal sadness.

I've heard that before, but if part of your emotions or memory are wiped out, then it sounds like mind control. Is it really you anymore?

 

[Bradskii]

I've heard that before, but if part of your emotions or memory are wiped out, then it sounds like mind control. Is it really you anymore?

It's a puzzle, isn't it. Doesn't one feel anger or frustration? Bored? Puzzled? Peckish? Pride? Will you have a sense of humour? A sense of loss? A sense of taste? Excited?

Heaven sounds like hell to me.

 

[Diamond72]

I've heard that before, but if part of your emotions or memory are wiped out, then it sounds like mind control. Is it really you anymore?

The Bible is very very clear that God gives us choice. We constantly are making choices. Are you trying to say you are not responsible for the choice you make? We are going to be held responsible. Deuteronomy 30:19 "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live."

Heaven sounds like hell to me.

strawman but your suggestion is that good people go to hell and bad people go to heaven?

“Raised by angels”?

Just so you know this was a dream I had. I may not have made that clear. The Bible does say we will dream dreams.

 

[Bradskii]

strawman but your suggestion is that good people go to hell and bad people go to heaven?

Neither. My suggestion is that they don't exist. Maybe you can convince me otherwise by telling me what people do there all the time?

 

[Diamond72]

Maybe you can convince me otherwise by telling me what people do there all the time?

I have had dreams about Heaven. People continue their education there. The library is bigger than any library here on earth. We use the same gifts talents there that we have here. My father for example was a doctor. Do we need a doctor in Heaven where there is no sickness? Yet he will continue to work with his patients in Heaven to help them understand the reasons we have infirmities here on Earth.

Also I think some of the things here on earth are made in heaven. All my life I have read and studied on a cosmic or universal consciousness. There are actually not that many books about that so people do not know much about our shared consciousness. Actually we see this with AI how it is changed by the people who use it.

 

[Bradskii]

I have had dreams about Heaven. People continue their education there. The library is bigger than any library here on earth.

I guess it won't have 1984 or To kill A Mockingbird. Or The Catcher In The Rye. There must be a librarian to keep adult books from children. And do the children get older?

 

[Diamond72]

I guess it won't have 1984 or To kill A Mockingbird. Or The Catcher In The Rye. There must be a librarian to keep adult books from children. And do the children get older?

There is more controversy over books today than there ever was before. Reminds me of the scene in the movie footloose where they want to burn the books. To Kill a mockingbird is one of the few books out there that deal with group consciousness. Notice he called them by name and broke them down to individuals to overcome their mob mentality.

Another book that is not on the reading list at school is; "
http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?...crowds_charles-mackay/302891/#isbn=051788433X
Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds

My wife and I used this to make a lot of money back with beanie babies. I bought them for $3 and sold them for $7 to dealers that resold them for $9. Even for $3 I got a meal I could give to the homeless people. My wife has a degree in Social work or studies. So she understands people better than I do. She had this hot potato mentality where you had to sell it as quick as you could.

The congress library has 38 millon books. The library in heaven will be a lot larger than that.

 

[NxNW]

The Bible is very very clear that God gives us choice. We constantly are making choices. Are you trying to say you are not responsible for the choice you make?

I'm saying how can you be happy in heaven if you miss those who are not there? I'm asking if it's really you if part of your consciousness are altered so that you don't miss them? I'm asking if we really make any choices whatsoever if every day of our lives is preordained, as you quoted:

Psalm (139 16)"
Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

 

[Diamond72]

I'm asking if we really make any choices whatsoever if every day of our lives is preordained,

Is that where you are going with this? Because yes our life is pre ordained but we have a choice if we want to follow God and His plan for us. Of course Calvin and Joseph Smith both believe it was God's plan for Adam and Eve to sin so he could redeem them. I do not agree with either one. Although really we have hyper Calvinism because I am not so sure calvin really said what they claim he did.

I'm saying how can you be happy in heaven if

The same way we can be happy here, because the peace of God surpasses all understanding. There is NOTHING better than to give praise, honor, glory and thanks onto God. Why would we want to do anything any different.