WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[Kermos]

Romans 3:21 does not delete ROMANS 3:10-31. Our rightesousness is in God's WORD (JESUS) because we are all sinners condemned by the law and in need of a Saviour from our sins.

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

God's Word, being Jesus, teaches to keep Jesus' words (John 8:51). God's Word, being Jesus, teaches that if a person loves Jesus then the person will keep Jesus' commands (John 14:15). God the Father commands "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!" (John 17:5). God's Word, being Jesus, explains the destruction of a person that does not keep Jesus' words (Matthew 7:21-27).

Your words conflict with Jesus' words. Your words expose your imaginations that the Old Covenant must be kept for example by keeping the 7th day sabbath, so your words teach to keep the Old Covenant. The "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" clearly reveals that the Old Covenant, which includes keeping the 7th day sabbath, is obsolete, for Jesus said "the New Covenant" and in the Book of Hebrews "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete" (Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:13).

It is lawlessness to conflict with the words of Jesus!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello brother some comments on your post below for your consideration.

And we find those that go back to OT letter of the law, are actually apostates, if once after they have tasted and seen and been enlightened by the gospel of Grace, that is to set you free, "from the law and written code on tablets" (letter of the law), anyhow, after that, then going back to it or that (the letter of the law), are the ones "crucifying the Son afresh for themselves", and "for whom their is no longer any sacrifice left" for their sins, or this particular sin in particular, particularly specifically... A verse that many have twisted for their own meaning and have used to beat up others with, and these very ones doing this (are usually doing it with and by the letter of the law also), anyway, these ones are the very self same ones that the scripture should be applied to, but you think they would ever see that? No, they usually never do... And "why is that"...? It's insane! Anyway, he arrogantly thinks he and his denomination will not get caught up in the curse of it, (letter of the law) as if he or they are stronger than God, or are God, or gods themselves... When, in my opinion, they already have, as is clearly being shown here by LGW and those like him or them...
But, you think they would see it...? No, they have shut their eyes and ears from hearing the truth, instead preferring their works (of the law) and their "tradition" and "rites" and "rituals" that Make the Word of God, or the whole Word of God, and the NC of "no effect"...

It falls on deaf ears, which is why I may not post in this thread anymore... Just look how long it is!, many people have made very strong and many good points against LGW and what he is saying, but they are buried now...

It has all basically been covered, but LGW goes on, and on, and on, and on, ect...

When you make a good point about the law or "anything" he immediately retreats and hides behind and starts talking about the OP or original topic again, ect, and resumes his post onslaught, I think trying to bury those, and maybe pretend they never happened so he can forget about them and comfort himself in his rejecting the truth or something, I guess... Or for "other reasons" (selfish, self-serving reasons associated with his ego, or the pride of his denomination) that I guarantee you are not so holy or pure...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Now brother Neogaia777, why do you make claims that are not true? Who is telling to to go back to the letter of the law? Can you have the spirit of the law without the letter when the Spirit works through the letter in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD? We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Here are some questions for your consideration brother. You do not have to answer them here if you do not wish to. Please however pray about these questions and answer them for yourself in your own time as our salvation depends on if we are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD or not BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD *JOHN 12:47-48

1. Who is saying you must be righteoues by our own works? If no one is saying this to you why pretend that they are?

2. If we love GOD will we do what he asks us to do, not because we are saved by what he asks us to do, but because we LOVE God *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; JOHN 15:10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31?

3. Is God's LAW (10 commandments) abolished through faith or is it establsihed in the heart to love *ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; MATTHEW 22:36-40?

4. If our faith has no fruit is it the Faith that God wants us to have or the faith of the devils *JAMES 2:18-20; 26; MATTHEW 7:16-23?

5. Is someone who is living a life of known unrepentant sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; MATTHEW 7:16-23?

Sorry brother, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there. If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Let's be honest here brother. Everything shared here is only shared in love. You eaither have God's WORD to support your claims or you do not. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:3-9. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day *MATTHEW 10:26; JOHN 12:47-48. At this time however sadly it will be too late for all those who had the chance to hear God's WORD but chose to turn away from it *MATTHEW 7:22-23

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

God's Word, being Jesus, teaches to keep Jesus' words (John 8:51). God's Word, being Jesus, teaches that if a person loves Jesus then the person will keep Jesus' commands (John 14:15). God the Father commands "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!" (John 17:5). God's Word, being Jesus, explains the destruction of a person that does not keep Jesus' words (Matthew 7:21-27).

Your words conflict with Jesus' words. Your words expose your imaginations that the Old Covenant must be kept for example by keeping the 7th day sabbath, so your words teach to keep the Old Covenant. The "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" clearly reveals that the Old Covenant, which includes keeping the 7th day sabbath, is obsolete, for Jesus said "the New Covenant" and in the Book of Hebrews "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete" (Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:13).

It is lawlessness to conflict with the words of Jesus!

JESUS and the father are one. They do not have different laws and are not opposed to each other. If they were they could not be one. EVERYTHING we have from the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Both the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT scriptures are the two great witnesses that point to JESUS the liveing WORD of GOD. According to JESUS man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God *MATTHEW 4:4. All those who deny God's WORD deny JESUS who is the WORD of God *JOHN 1:1-4; 14; JOHN 3:18-21; JOHN 12:47-48. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. Your Words are not directed towards me but to the one who the Word belongs. The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Do you know these scriptures brother?

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

*staff edit*

Jesus said:
"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other." (Matthew 6:24)

You try to squirm in with two masters, the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Master Jesus is the only Master, so when He said "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) then "He has made the first obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13).

Old Covenant keepers are not doing what is contained in Hebrews 8:6-13. Old Covenant keepers are not abiding as per the words of Jesus in the New Covenant.

With your words you try to eliminate God's Word as contained in "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post", but your words fail.

Again, this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" shows God's Word, and how believers are bound to Jesus because He is God's Word. Not by works of man, rather by the Blood of Jesus! A Spirit-filled believer will have fruit commensurate with the words of Jesus!

Well none of that is true brother. As shown through the scriptures already. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Only sent in love as a help to you brother.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

1) We find God identifying Himself and His Covenant which we now refer to as the Old Covenant, references to see Exodus 19:5-6, Exodus 19:9, and Exodus 20:2.

As shown through the scriptures already. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

Your only telling half the story as to what the OLD COVENANT is brother. As shown through the scriptures already, the OLD COVENANT includes both;

1. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) *EXODUS 34:28 that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172;

2. The SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT (Burn't offerings; sin offerings, earthly Sanctuary and ceremonial law for remission of sins, Levitical Priesthood etc).

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of laws which included 1. GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

2) We find God giving the Covenant, now referred to as the Old Covenant, references to see Exodus 20:2-3 and Exodus 20:8.

"DITTO" - see above your whole argument falls down because you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was. Only sent in love as a help to you brother

3) We that roughly Exodus 20 through Exodus 24 contain the Covenant, now referred to as the Old Covenant because of point 1 and 2 above with the people's response of "All that YHVH has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!" to the Covenant, now referred to as the Old Covenant, and Moses saying "Behold the blood of the covenant, which YHVH has made with you in accordance with all these words", references to see Exodus 24:7 and Exodus 24:8.

"DITTO" - see first response. Your whole argument falls down because you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was. Only sent in love as a help to you brother

4) We find God identifying Himself, references to see John 1:1 and John 8:42 (and not listed but needs to be John 8:58 referring back to Exodus 3:14 even referring back farther).

Yep and your point here is????

5) We find that Jesus satisifies the Law, all of the Law, references to see Matthew 5:17.

JESUS first starts off by qualifying everything he is about to say by stating; Think not that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets... Your point here is???

6) We find that Jesus gives rest to believers and this rest is continual, reference to see Matthew 11:28.

Indeed and your point here is????? Where is the scripture that says God's LAW or God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is none

7) We find some commandments/laws of Jesus, references to see Matthew 11:28 and John 13:34

Yep and your point here is????? Where is the scripture that says God's LAW or God's 4th Commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is none

8) We find Jesus identifying believers relationship to His words, references to see John 14:15.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

and again...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law.

LOVE is expressed through God's LAW as it is the standard of RIGHTOUESNESS *PSALMS 119:172.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill our fellow man
* We will not commit adultery with our neighbores spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

9) We find that when Jesus said "the new covenant" that "He has made the first obsolete", references to see Luke 22:20 and Hebrews 8:13.

As shown through the scriptures already. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

10) We find that Jesus said "It is finished!" thus it is clear that the New Covenant is established, references to see John 19:30.

The commandments/laws of Christ are lawful; on the other hand, a person not honoring the words of Jesus is lawlessness. Lord Jesus said "the new covenant" (Luke 22:20) thus "He has made the first obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13). Your words teach something different than the Jesus' words.

Jesus Christ has made the first obsolete which includes Exodus 20:8. Jesus Christ has written His Law of the New Covenant in the hearts of His own people which are Spirit-filled believers!

DITTO please see above

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Only sent in love as a help to you brother.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Goodness I just noticed that after 76 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...

 

[Kermos]

Hello brother some comments on your post below for your consideration.

Now brother Neogaia777, why do you make claims that are not true? Who is telling to to go back to the letter of the law?
snip...

It is you who keeps saying to go back to the Old Covenant by your words expressing your imaginations exposed by you fiercely promoting the keeping of the 7th day sabbath which are recorded in Exodus 20:8, yet as God's Word clearly shows in this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" the New Covenant in the Blood of Jesus has made the Old Covenant obsolete.

 

[Kermos]

JESUS and the father are one. They do not have different laws and are not opposed to each other. If they were they could not be one.

Your words of this post appear to try to combine the Old Covenant and the New Covenant when many of your words of your other posts expressing your imaginations in this thread are taken into consideration.

Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. And God is One. Three persons, One God.

Jesus, Who is God, said:

"It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" (Matthew 4:4)

The Father, Who is God, said:

"This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!" (Matthew 17:5)

When Jesus speaks words, it is God speaking. When the Father speaks words, it is God speaking.

God has put an end to sabbath days as recorded in Exodus 20:8 (Hosea 2:11), including the 7th day sabbath that you keep pushing because Jesus said "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and "When He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete" is recorded in Hebrews 8:13. Jesus also said "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28). Jesus said He completes the Prophets (Matthew 5:17), so Jesus also completes "I will also put an end to all her gaiety, Her feasts, her new moons, her sabbaths And all her festal assemblies" (Hosea 2:11) which includes the 7th day sabbath.

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant are ALL part of God's plan. Now it is the time of the New Covenant. God does not change (Malachi 3:6), and God clearly promised the New Covenant.

It is you who keeps saying to go back to the Old Covenant by your words expressing your imaginations exposed by you fiercely promoting the keeping of the 7th day sabbath which refers to God's Word recorded in Exodus 20:8, yet as God's Word clearly shows in this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" the New Covenant in the Blood of Jesus has made the Old Covenant obsolete.

 

[Kermos]

Well none of that is true brother. As shown through the scriptures already.

Wow, you wrote "none of that is true"; however, the words of Jesus are right there, such as "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other" (Matthew 6:24), AND JESUS' WORDS ARE TRUE!

You keep trying to split up the Law into components by way of your imagination not God's Word. Oh, you intersperse scripture among your many words, and you so very often misapply scripture because of your words.

You conflate knowledge/wisdom with performance with justification by way of your attempt to import the Old Covenant into the New Covenant. We Spirit-filled beleivers are justified by Christ, and we inherit His righteousness, and we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16) with Christ being the Wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24); moreover, we love the things Christ loves and we hate the things Christ hates.

It is you who keeps trying to serve both the Old Covenant and the New Covenant by the expression of your imaginations in this thread; on the other hand, this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" clearly shows that the New Covenant in the Blood of Jesus has made the Old Covenant obsolete.

 

[Kermos]

As shown through the scriptures already. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

Your only telling half the story as to what the OLD COVENANT is brother. As shown through the scriptures already, the OLD COVENANT includes both;
...snip

As shown in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post", the Old Covenant includes the 7th day sabbath that you keep trying to press onto other people, and the Old Covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) because Lord Jesus said "the New Covenant" (Luke 20:22).

Your words and your imaginations in your post interspersed with scripture demonstrates that you do not believe what is written, and what is written is God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post".

Your words and your imaginations in your post interspersed with scripture demonstrates that you try to comply scripture to your imaginations. Your accusations are without merit because your words are representations your imaginations.

The timeline, the lineage is concrete. The 7th day sabbath is included in the Old Covenant, and the Old Covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). A Spirit-filled believer is under the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[Kermos]

Goodness I just noticed that after 76 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

Your words and your imaginations in your posts interspersed with scripture demonstrates that you try to comply scripture to your imaginations. Your imaginations are not in accord with scripture.

As shown in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post", the Old Covenant includes the 7th day sabbath that you keep trying to press onto other people, and the Old Covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) because Lord Jesus said "the New Covenant" (Luke 20:22).

A person who beleives Jesus will believe His words.

The timeline, the lineage is concrete as shown in "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post". The 7th day sabbath is included in the Old Covenant, and the Old Covenant is obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). A Spirit-filled believer is under the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[Neogaia777]

My goodness it seems after all way to many posts, LGW will not be repenting of the works of the law, and be crucifying the Son of God afesh fro himself, and no longer have any sacrifice left for his sin of his works of following the letter of the law...

Sad...

God wants you to admit that you cannot, do not, a probably will not ever be able to keep of fulfill the law like Him, or like He did, int his life... That's all he wants... And one you do that, and your sorrowful and "repentant" in nature and attitude about it, then, and only then, will He shower lavishly, His wonderous Grace and Mercy and Love upon you, and forgive you of and wipe out all sin debt of your sins, but, only after, only after, admitting your failure to live up to the law...

For he who deals out his judgement without mercy, will also receive his judgement without mercy in the judgement... For the letter of the law is judgement without mercy, and promotes, and by the works of it, causes one to deal out judgment without mercy, hence it's curse, but the Spirit of the Law does not...

The Spirit of law takes into account man's failure to the letter of the law, then makes exceptions for those ones who will admit and realize it, or shows mercy, but the letter does not, not at all...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

IOW's LGW, if you want to receive any kind of mercy from God, you better let go of the letter of the law and the works of it...

And admit you fail at it and don't live up to it also... Otherwise you have not even begun in the NC yet, but are still in and under the Old...

I fear for you and those like you LGW... I don't know that we'll "see you there", so to speak (in heaven)...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Don't pray for me LGW, pray for yourself and your kind, for mercy, cause you guys really need it badly...

God is looking for an admission of guilt, before He will bestow mercy upon anyone...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus says it better than me...

Matthew 23:23- "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, (true just, truly just) judgment, mercy, and faith (That only the Spirit of the law brings gives out based on you reaction to the letter of it, for one) : these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other (good deeds, giving, the truly righteous acts) (without forgetting or leaving out or forsaking the other) (mercy) undone.

Matthew 12:7- "But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless (or the ones who know they don't and can't live up to the law, and are recipients of mercy and are totally dependent upon God's mercy and are therefore guiltless) (now, after that) (that many of you and your kind do condemn, condemning yourself in the process... Judgement without mercy...

But you and those like you LGW, will stand condemned, unless you change...

God Bless!

 

[Pavel Mosko]

This thread is the Walking Dead.

There's a Wonderful meme that I can't find anymore, but I may create it. It uses this picture with the caption, "I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm giving it resuscitation!"


There have been so many apt responses to the OP already. This thread is simply a testimony to what happens when people are stiff necked and refuse to see and hear the evidence that is presented to them!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This thread is the Walking Dead.

There's a Wonderful meme that I can't find anymore, but I may create it. It uses this picture and says, "I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm giving it resuscitation!"


There have been so many good responses to the OP already. This thread is simply a testimony to what happens when people are stiff necked and refuse to see and hear the evidence that is presented to them!

The walking dead are those who are CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. If you have repented from your sins then you are free to walk in God's SPIRIT *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now back to the OP. Where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Only sent in LOVE

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My goodness it seems after all way to many posts, LGW will not be repenting of the works of the law, and be crucifying the Son of God afesh fro himself, and no longer have any sacrifice left for his sin of his works of following the letter of the law...

Sad...

God wants you to admit that you cannot, do not, a probably will not ever be able to keep of fulfill the law like Him, or like He did, int his life... That's all he wants... And one you do that, and your sorrowful and "repentant" in nature and attitude about it, then, and only then, will He shower lavishly, His wonderous Grace and Mercy and Love upon you, and forgive you of and wipe out all sin debt of your sins, but, only after, only after, admitting your failure to live up to the law...

For he who deals out his judgement without mercy, will also receive his judgement without mercy in the judgement... For the letter of the law is judgement without mercy, and promotes, and by the works of it, causes one to deal out judgment without mercy, hence it's curse, but the Spirit of the Law does not...

The Spirit of law takes into account man's failure to the letter of the law, then makes exceptions for those ones who will admit and realize it, or shows mercy, but the letter does not, not at all...

Now brother Neogaia777, why do you make claims that are not true? Who is telling to to go back to the letter of the law? Can you have the spirit of the law without the letter when the Spirit works through the letter in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD? We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

As posted earlier, here are some questions for your consideration brother. You do not have to answer them here if you do not wish to. Please however pray about these questions and answer them for yourself in your own time as our salvation depends on if we are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD or not BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD *JOHN 12:47-48

1. Who is saying you must be righteoues by our own works? If no one is saying this to you why pretend that they are?

2. If we love GOD will we do what he asks us to do, not because we are saved by what he asks us to do, but because we LOVE God *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; JOHN 15:10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31?

3. Is God's LAW (10 commandments) abolished through faith or is it establsihed in the heart to love *ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; MATTHEW 22:36-40?

4. If our faith has no fruit is it the Faith that God wants us to have or the faith of the devils *JAMES 2:18-20; 26; MATTHEW 7:16-23?

5. Is someone who is living a life of known unrepentant sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; MATTHEW 7:16-23?

Sorry brother, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there. If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Let's be honest here brother. Everything shared here is only shared in love. You eaither have God's WORD to support your claims or you do not. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:3-9. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day *MATTHEW 10:26; JOHN 12:47-48. At this time however sadly it will be too late for all those who had the chance to hear God's WORD but chose to turn away from it *MATTHEW 7:22-23

Ignroing God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Only sent in love as a help for you brother

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your words of this post appear to try to combine the Old Covenant and the New Covenant when many of your words of your other posts expressing your imaginations in this thread are taken into consideration.

There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. Your Words are not directed towards me but to the one who the Word belongs.

Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. And God is One. Three persons, One God. Jesus, Who is God, said: "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" (Matthew 4:4) The Father, Who is God, said: "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!" (Matthew 17:5) When Jesus speaks words, it is God speaking. When the Father speaks words, it is God speaking.

In ther days of JESUS and the APOSTLES their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. Everything that we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT. These are the two great witnesses that testify of JESUS who is the living WORD of God *JOHN 1:1-4;14. When JESUS in MATTHEW 4:4 is saying MAN does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God he is quoting from DEUTERONOMY 8:3 [3], And he humbled you, and suffered you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you knew not, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD does man live.

You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48; 1 CORINTHIANS 4:5; 1 JOHN 2:3-4

Only sent in love as a help to you

 

[Pavel Mosko]

But you and those like you LGW, will stand condemned, unless you change...

Yes

And I would add this bit of advice for people on message boards. In general you are somewhat limited in your ability to persuade people. Really the best most realistic goal you can usually do (unless you have some kind of serious Divine Intervention or some other Holy Spirit intervention directly involved) is try to make a good case for your point of view for people that are against it. In other words, give them some "food for thought" to modify their outlook on things but don't expect a 180 conversion (unless you get that divine intervention, God acting through Providence etc.).

While, your ability to persuade people to your side is limited, the opposite is however not true. Basically people, can really hurt their side enormously by being heavy handed, close minded, unreasonable etc. And well i dare say that is the case in this situation. Love4theword has succeeded in making many traditional Christians much more convinced of the truth of Sunday as the Lord's Day, and that we should not fret about holy days but focus our attention on the Lord and the other truths of the Gospel!