WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2019

Kermos said:
Now, back to your confutation of Acts 15. Exhibit three, you wrote "ACTS 15 as shown through the scriptures earlier verse by verse is answering the question; IS CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW"; however, Acts 15:5 states 'But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses"' (Acts 15:5 mentions the same law as John 1:17) which clearly contradicts your words, again!

ACTS 15 as shown through the scriptures earlier verse by verse is answering the question; IS CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW a requirement for salvation . This is the CONTEXT of the ACTS 15 and the reason why PAUL and BARNABAS went to JERUSALEM to answer this question *ACTS 15:1-2.

As shown through the scriptures already; the law of MOSES is not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) and CIRCUMCISION is not one of God's 10 commandments.

Where in ACTS 15 does it say it is referring to God's 10 commandments as being the topic of controversy when the CONTEXT and topic and issue of discussion was "IS CIRCUMCISION (from the MOSIAC BOOK of the law) A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION? This is the CONTEXT of ACTS 15. *ACTS 15:1-2.

The law of MOSES *DEUTERONONY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 is not the LAW of GOD (10 Commandments) *EXODUS 20:1-17 that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and CIRCUMCISION is not one of God's 10 commandments.

Your interpretation of the scriptures here brother disagrees with the rest of the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

Kermos said:
As the scripture shows, we find the Ten Commandments referenced in the letter in Acts 15. Idolatry and adultery are covered in the letter (Acts 15:29) as well as the Ten Commandments (Deuteronomy 5:8 and Deuteronomy 5:18). The stated purpose of Acts 15:5 is evident. You Judaizers either ignore or try to twist that fact.

As shown through the scriptures already with you brother. Your claims are simply your own words arguing with God's WORD. Your name calling is only evidence you have no scriptures to support your claims here.

ACTS 15 is discussing the question which was; IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION (ACTS 15:1-2)? Not wheather God's 10 commandment are abolished for new Gentiles BELIEVERS.

What you point out above in relation to the letter to the gentiles including to abstain from Idolatry and fornication only confirms what has been shared with you. ACTS 15 is not discussing if God's 10 commandments are abolished which some seem to teach here. The letter you refer to only supports that God's 10 Commandments are to be obeyed.

The ACTS 15 letter to the new Gentile believers is affirming God's 10 commandments telling them not to commit idolatry and not to commit fornication and letting them know that CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement for salvation.

The reason also for this letter was that they would continue learning God's WORD every SABBATH *ACTS 15:21.

This is also made very clear by PAUL that he is not referring to God's 10 commandments being Abolished in 1 CORINTHIANS 7 following the letter in ACTS 15.

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

According to the interpretation for many of ACTS 15 PAUL is contradicting himself.

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, we establish the law.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2019

Kermos said:
You issued 3 questions, all of which are heavily laced with your unscriptural words, again. Much of the above illustrates the salaciousness of your questions.

Really brother. I asked three questions to you earlier that you choose to ignore. Each of these three questions were also provided with scriptures to answer the questions provided from God's WORD. Your post here is simply your words ignoring God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. Here is the post and the questions with the scriptures that you ignored earlier. You do not have to answer them if you do not want to here. Pehaps you can pray about them and look up the references at home if you do not know the answer to them. Posted earlier to you;

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1. What is the CONTEXT of ACTS 15 and the reason PAUL and BARNABAS when to JERUSALEM was it over CIRCUMCISION from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 being a requirement for salvation or was ACTS 15 discussing is God's 10 Commandments still a requirement for new Chrsitians *ACTS 15:1-2.

2. WAS God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) which was SPOKEN and WRITTEN by GOD alone on two tables of stone *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16 SEPARATED in the ARK (house) of the OLD COVENANT from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:26?

3. WHY do you think GOD SEPARATED his ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) from the MOSAIC BOOK the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; DEUTERONOMY 10:2 ?

Now brother take an honest look at these questions and the scirptures references provided. If you can honestly answer these questions with God's WORD then you will see your claims above a simply false claims and have no basis or scripture support from God's WORD. Only provided in love and has a help brother.

God bless.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2019

Kermos said:
I repeat, I tell you that there is no scripture that states the law of Moses does not include the Ten Commandments, so you breach in sin the 9th commandment by bearing false witness against Moses and, more intensely, God.

Now brother are you being honest here? Where have I ever posted that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) is not referred to in the BOOK of the law of MOSES? If I have never said that God did not give his law to Moses why do you pretend here that I have? It is the BOOK of the law that states that GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is not the law of MOSES but the work of GOD alone, spoken and written by God unlike the BOOK of the law which is the work of MOSES and written and spoken by Moses.

Kermos said:
You, Judaizers, have an idol - being your words that you try to impose on El Shaddai! Think differently from now on for the Kingdom of God is near!

The name calling is sad for you brother. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.
According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT SIN is breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

JESUS says; all those who KOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. This is the reason for this OP. You either have God's WORD for your position or you do not. Who should we believe; those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or the WORD of GOD? I know who I believe *ROMANS 3:4.

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2019

Kermos said:
I do not claim interest in answering the OP. According to the will of God, my interest is proclaiming the truth to you and the other Judaizers. Cry out to Jesus for he is worthy!

And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables (Exodus 32:16).

I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh (Ezekiel 36:26).

These two passages shows God's work. The first, Exodus, mentions the stone tablets, and the second, Ezekiel, mentions the heart of stone being replaced by the heart of flesh.

May the God of love shine His countenance upon you and draw you in with your tenaciousness.

Yet here you still are speaking your own words and arguing with God's.

You choose not to answer the OP brother because you cannot as there is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

It is JESUS that says; All those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. This is God's WORD not mine.

No one receive's a NEW HEART to continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. According to God's WORD All those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN have not seen him and do not know him and need to be BORN AGAIN to LOVE.

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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WHO HAS GOD'S SPIRIT?

ACTS 5:32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THEM WHO OBEY HIM.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

**Sorry brother as shown through the scriptures, and looking in detail at your post section by section and scripture by scripture, God's WORD disagrees with you.**

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2019

NeedyFollower said:
Thanks Brother ...When Jesus told the woman at the well , the hour is coming and now is , when true worshipers will worship in spirit and in truth , for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him . For God is Spirit and His worshipers must worship Him in Spirit and Truth .
The fourth commandment was never abolished and yet it is often filled by the letter and not the spirit . It can and only be fulfilled by the spirit of Christ who dwells in us. No man knows the Son save the Father and neither does any know the Father save the Son and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal Him .
So as Christ only fulfilled the Law , we can only worship through the Son . And just as 7 is better than one , we worship in spirit and truth every day . Do we not also fulfill the one day by abiding in Christ and He in us every day ? This is what Paul described and lived . We are to endeavor for the faith once delivered to the saints . At the end of time in the new heavens and the new earth , which day will we worship ? There will only be one day ..Jesus will be and IS now that day . I realize that there are some who esteem one day above another . There are many for the love of Christ , have sacrificed all ...even their lives ...shall I bump them out of the way because I observed the correct day ? This is a very real danger. ....we compare ourselves among ourselves . ( And every single denomination does it . )
For example , I think it proper , lovely , modest and scriptural for a woman to pray with her head covered and yet I am aware that many of our sisters have sacrificed all because of their love without wearing a covering . Similarly , there are sisters who have fulfilled the letter of that understanding but have failed in love and obedience . It is like Paul saying that the Jews circumcision has become uncircumcision because they failed in love . Theology can be a killer . Grace and Peace in Jesus .

Hello brother NeedyFollower, thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I agree with much of what you have posted here. Although, God's WORD is very clear JESUS is LORD and creator of the SABBATH which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *EXODUS 20:10. The reason we are to REMEMBER God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is because in 6 days GOD created the heavens and the earth and RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. On the SEVENTH DAY that God's WORD defines as the "SABBATH" *EXODUS 20:10. There is no scripture that says JESUS is a SABBATH only that he is the LORD of the SABBATH that he created for all mankind and has commanded his people to KEEP THE SABBATH DAY as a HOLY DAY *MARK 2:27-28; EXODUS 20:8-11. The problem brother has never been what day should we worship God. We should worship God EVERYDAY. The problem is that God has commanded us in his 4th commandment to REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK and not to do any of our own work on this day which starts SUNSET Friday to SUNSET Saturday.

God bless.

NeedyFollower · Feb 12, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello brother NeedyFollower, thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I agree with much of what you have posted here. Although, God's WORD is very clear JESUS is LORD and creator of the SABBATH which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *EXODUS 20:10. The reason we are to REMEMBER God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is because in 6 days GOD created the heavens and the earth and RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. On the SEVENTH DAY that God's WORD defines as the "SABBATH" *EXODUS 20:10. There is no scripture that says JESUS is a SABBATH only that he is the LORD of the SABBATH that he created for all mankind and has commanded his people to KEEP THE SABBATH DAY as a HOLY DAY *MARK 2:27-28; EXODUS 20:8-11. The problem brother has never been what day should we worship God. We should worship God EVERYDAY. The problem is that God has commanded us in his 4th commandment to REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK and not to do any of our own work on this day which starts SUNSET Friday to SUNSET Saturday.

God bless.

What ever you do , do all in the name of the Lord . The priest profane the sabbath by working on the sabbath . is it not ok to do well on the sabbath ? Brother , there are so many lost people and so little time left ( I believe ) I work every day unto the Lord . ...there are soooo many in the ditch . I will have my rest when Jesus returns .

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2019

NeedyFollower said:
What ever you do , do all in the name of the Lord . The priest profane the sabbath by working on the sabbath . is it not ok to do well on the sabbath ? Brother , there are so many lost people and so little time left ( I believe ) I work every day unto the Lord . ...there are soooo many in the ditch . I will have my rest when Jesus returns .

Indeed, but the Priests are held guiltless the scripture says because they are doing God's WORK and not doing their own work. God's WORK is not doing our own work brother. Of course it is ok to do Good on the Sabbath. This is the teachings of JESUS *MATTHEW 12:1-12. No one has rest while KNOWINGLY breaking any one of Gods Commandments.

God bless.

BobRyan · Feb 12, 2019

NeedyFollower said:
What ever you do , do all in the name of the Lord . The priest profane the sabbath by working on the sabbath . is it not ok to do well on the sabbath ? Brother , there are so many lost people and so little time left ( I believe ) I work every day unto the Lord . ...there are soooo many in the ditch . I will have my rest when Jesus returns .

Let's follow the teaching of Jesus.

In Mark 7:6-13 Jesus begins with "in vain do they worship Me" -- what was his complaint about them?

ace of hearts · Feb 12, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Genesis 2
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Hebrews 4
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

We enter into rest on the Seventh day as God did rest. On the Seventh day the Lord sanctified and and blessed the seventh day and we see that those in the New Heavens and New earth are still keeping the Sabbath day(Isaiah 66:23)

I fully understand your quotes.

The 7th day our Saturday isn't the sabbath.

The sabbath isn't our Saturday.

The word Sabbath (shabbat) doesn't appear in Genesis.

You can't successfully claim Moses was ignorant in Genesis and full of knowledge in Exodus. If Moses knew the word "shabat" in Genesis, he knnew the word "shabbat." The first is a verb meaning to cease and is used about the sabbath (shabbat) in Hosea.

The shabbat is a periodic rest/pause which God didn't participate in on the 7th day of creation. God fully stopped and this is His rest He swore Israel would never enter.

The word rest in Hebrew 4:9 is sabbatismos is a type of rest and has nothing to do with the sabbath. The subject of Heb 4 is rest, more specifically God's rest. The subject isn't the sabbath nor a physical periodic rest.

Jesus offered this rest to sabbath keeping Jews in Mat 11:28-30. This rest is only obtained thru Jesus. Yes you can say sabbatismos doesn't appear in Mat 11:28-30, but neither does katapausis. So if you want we can argue about the word that does appear - anapauō.

ace of hearts · Feb 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Let's follow the teaching of Jesus.

In Mark 7:6-13 Jesus begins with "in vain do they worship Me" -- what was his complaint about them?

You've no idea what that passage truly means.

klutedavid · Feb 12, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Who says we are saved by the LAW? Please show where I have posted that we are saved by God's LAW? If you cannot why are you pretending this is what I have said here?

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Many do not know why God has given us Grace but the scripture are very clear for those who KNOW God's WORD.

Grace is linked to mercy and peace from God the farther and from JESUS in love and truth.

2 JOHN 1:3 [3] Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

ROMANS 1:5 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

We are to grow in God's GRACE and the KNOWLEDGE of our LORD JESUS CHRSIT.

2 PETER 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. *2 PETER 1:2

We do this by seeking JESUS to be our teacher and continuing in God's WORD.

JOHN 14:26 [26], But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

JOHN 8:31-36
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

TITUS 2:11-12 [11], FOR THE GRACE OF GOD HAS APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL MEN, [12], TEACHING US, THAT, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY JUSTS, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTOUESLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? SHALL WE SIN [break any one of God's 10 commandments], THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15-17 What then? SHALL WE SIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE? GOD FORBID! [16] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of SIN RESULTING IN DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE resulting in righteousness?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

God's GRACE is given to us because all of us have sinned and are sinners (broken God's 10 Commandments) and the wages of SIN is death *ROMANS 3:23; ROMANS 5:12; ROMANS 6:23.

ROMANS 8:3-4
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

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WORD MEANINGS OF GRACE

GRACE GREEK WORD
χάρις; charis khar'-ece From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

GRACE HEBREW WORD
חן; chên khane From H2603; graciousness, that is, subjectively kindness, favor or objectively (beauty): - favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.

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CONCLUSION: Grace is unmerited favour leading to a change of behaviour. God's GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE to GOD'S WORD in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it to save us from our sins and the penalty of sin (death) and our sinful nature through our LORD JESUS CHRIST!

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God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL we have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Now where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commnaded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

Hope this helps.

You say that if a person sins willfully as in not obeying the Sabbath, given of course that person is aware of the fourth commandment.

So it does not matter if a person believes in Jesus Christ because they disobey the fourth commandment. So anyone who knows the fourth commandment and disobeys cannot be saved.

In effect, Jesus came to ultimately save the Sabbath observers. Which is what you are really saying. You add the fourth commandment caveat to the gospel of Jesus Christ. This means that legal obedience is necessary for salvation.

ace of hearts · Feb 12, 2019

Washed Luminary said:
Forgive me if this has already been asked, but since you are so insistent that Christians must keep Sabbath, I was just curious as to how exactly do you observe the Sabbath? do you keep Sabbath according to all the requirements written in the law, or do you simply not work? I am sincerely curious. Thank you in advance for your answer.

He won't discuss what he does. He will quote you Scripture though.

BobRyan · Feb 12, 2019

ace of hearts said:
I fully understand your quotes.

The 7th day our Saturday isn't the sabbath.

yes it is.

The sabbath isn't our Saturday.

yes it is.

"The seventh day is the SABBATH of the LORD" Ex 20:10

Bible details matter.

Jesus never said "ignore the Sabbath from now on I am the Sabbath" and we all know it.

in fact Jesus "made ALL things" Colossians 1 reminds us that mankind was made by Christ and for Christ.

By contrast Jesus reminds us that the "Sabbath was made FOR mankind" Mark 2:27

Obviously not only does the Bible not say "Christ is your Sabbath" but such a teaching is against Christ's own statement in Mark 2:27.

Bible details matter.

BobRyan · Feb 12, 2019

ace of hearts said:
You've no idea what that passage truly means.

How would you know??

ace of hearts · Feb 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
Even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship freely admits that while the moral law of God - that includes all TEN of the ten commandments remains - the ceremonial and civil laws ended when the theocracy ended and ceremonies ended at the cross. (See Hebrews 10)

That is not "unique" to those who keep the Bible Sabbath - it is also held by the Sunday groups.

Sorry but they don't as your formal debate on the sabbath clearly show.

ace of hearts · Feb 12, 2019

BobRyan said:
True.

And it also includes

"Love God with all your heart" Deu 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
"Honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12

And Paul reminds us that "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 where the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 is the 5th commandment.

No wonder then "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

After all the NEW Covenant includes "I will write My Law on your heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Any one can do what you just did with the Scripture. Yeah I know that went right over your head.

BobRyan · Feb 12, 2019

Washed Luminary said:
Forgive me if this has already been asked, but since you are so insistent that Christians must keep Sabbath, I was just curious as to how exactly do you observe the Sabbath? do you keep Sabbath according to all the requirements written in the law, or do you simply not work? I am sincerely curious. Thank you in advance for your answer.

Even the majority of pro-sunday scholarship freely admits that while the moral law of God - that includes all TEN of the ten commandments remains - the ceremonial and civil laws ended when the theocracy ended and ceremonies ended at the cross. (See Hebrews 10)

That is not "unique" to those who keep the Bible Sabbath - it is also held by the Sunday groups.

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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

ace of hearts said:
Sorry but they don't as your formal debate on the sabbath clearly show.

on the contrary they do -- as my formal debate on the Sabbath clearly shows

details matter as it turns out.

BobRyan · Feb 12, 2019

Kermos said:
May the Lord Jesus open your eyes to the fact that "the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came to be realized through Jesus Christ" (John 1:17).

There is no scripture that states the law of Moses does not include the Ten Commandments.

True.

And it also includes

"Love God with all your heart" Deu 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
"Honor your father and mother" Ex 20:12

And Paul reminds us that "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 where the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 is the 5th commandment.

No wonder then "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

After all the NEW Covenant includes "I will write My Law on your heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

ace of hearts said:
Any one can do what you just did with the Scripture. .

Agreed. Read the Bible and accept it .

obvious.

easy.

ace of hearts · Feb 12, 2019

CodyFaith said:
As if you are a trusted/established authority to tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing in regards to things of God.

Who are you again? What is your doctrine? What are your works?

Anyway, here's scripture to silence your incorrect opinion:

Matthew 5:18-19
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So as you can see, Christ says the Law still stands, every little part of it, and thus you are to obey every little part of it. What that looks like of course looks different then it used to, as clearly nobody is put to death or like-things. So it takes wisdom to understand how one obeys the Law in these times.

Here are 4 passages to prove jots and tittles of the law have passed -

LK 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

And there are more. The ones I quoted are post cross.

ace of hearts · Feb 12, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that has no truth in it. We are only saved by GRACE though faith and not of ourselves, it is a GIFT of GOD and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8 No one is telling you or anyone here that we are saved by the works of the law.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Grace is linked to mercy and peace from God the farther and from JESUS in love and truth.

2 JOHN 1:3 [3] Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

ROMANS 1:5 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Obedience to what? Your quote says the faith. Your quote doesn't say the law.

WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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