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Didn't the Greeks resolve all of that 2000 years ago?Actually, back up. Please define 'intelligence'.
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Didn't the Greeks resolve all of that 2000 years ago?Actually, back up. Please define 'intelligence'.
Didn't the Greeks resolve all of that 2000 years ago?
My point is that if any possible evidence is considered evidence for creation, then that means that no evidence is meaningful evidence for creation.
Please backup your assertion that the universe operates "in an intelligent manner." Yes, the universe follows natural laws, but these are based on the characteristics of the universe. They are not imposed, they are intergral to the universe we live in. Finally, who claimed that a man created the universe??
First show me the ways in which the universe as a whole behaves as a sentient entity. Then show me how this sentient entity displays intelligence.
Actually, back up. Please define 'intelligence'.
So the definition of 'intelligence' is 'sound and orderly'? I think you may want to reference this somewhere. Or simply google the word 'intelligence'. Because there are many, many things in my daily life that operate in a sound and orderly fashion, yet are not intelligent. Likewise, some of the most intelligent individuals I interact with on a daily basis are anything but orderly, and, depending on the day, may or may not be particularly sound.The universe behaves in such a manner that is sound and orderly which is equivalent to being of intelligent behavior, in that it displays logic and reasoning in its realm.
So the definition of 'intelligence' is 'sound and orderly'? I think you may want to reference this somewhere. Or simply google the word 'intelligence'. Because there are many, many things in my daily life that operate in a sound and orderly fashion, yet are not intelligent. Likewise, some of the most intelligent individuals I interact with on a daily basis are anything but orderly, and, depending on the day, may or may not be particularly sound.
I was contrasting myself with the universe, not comparing. But you're just being snide, so meh.Please don't compare yourself with the universe, that is not very intelligent.
So you've gone from 'the universe is intelligent' to 'the universe is reasonably sound', thereby abandoning your original argument. Predictable.But just the same , if the universe was not reasonably as sound as it is and has been and will be for who knows how long, we would have probably been washed away on a space shore somewhere, so to speak.
And it's quite obvious to everyone else that you just don't want to properly define 'intelligent'.It's quite obvious to me that you are not looking at the issue with an open mind
No, this discussion is quite real. It's definitely happening. Project much?and you are in denial of this whole discussion,
Aaand bolt. Turn tail and run just like most creationists do when called out for misappropriating the English language. So predictable.and it is quite within your right to look at it with your own point of view as it is mine. Goodbye.
I was contrasting myself with the universe, not comparing. But you're just being snide, so meh.
So you've gone from 'the universe is intelligent' to 'the universe is reasonably sound', thereby abandoning your original argument. Predictable.
And it's quite obvious to everyone else that you just don't want to properly define 'intelligent'.
No, this discussion is quite real. It's definitely happening. Project much?
Aaand bolt. Turn tail and run just like most creationists do when called out for misappropriating the English language. So predictable.
Not at all. If any and all possible evidence is always considered evidence for your creation story, and never against it, then none of it is really meaningful. In other words, what you are selling is non-falsifiable. It is therefore not a testable hypothesis, and is useless.Your first point is self contradictory and does not warrant an answer.
In fact it is so apparent that you cannot explain in simple terms why it is apparent...Secondly, it is apparent that the universe is self sustained, or sustained by yet a higher force, and this in itself reveals a superior form of intelligence.
The book of Revelation clearly shows us alive and well, right up to the end; and Peter tells us how this earth is going to end up.This is the universe you say God intelligently governs and made for us.
Apparently this:The book of revelation says. What's the evidence say?
So God created the universe with mankind in mind? The universe apparently shows characteristics of being intelligently designed?
Consider all of the following:
If humans don't manage to disrupt the environment to the point that the earth can no longer sustain our species, and if we haven't blown each other up in some holy war, economic war, or just for fun... And if we don't all die from some kind of rapid epidemic....
About 5 times in the past 600 million years an asteroid causing mass-extinction has collided with the earth. Other major impact events average only thousands of years apart, and we're someone overdue for one.
In about 5 billion years, our own sun will have grown to a size that it's engulfed the earth as sun's diameter exceeds that of our orbit around it.
Several billion years afterward, the Andromeda galaxy will collide with our own. While most of the objects in either galaxy won't physically collide, the ones that don't will still be pulled out of orbit and maybe into new ones. Neptune could end up burning up in Sirius A for all we know.
The vacuum of space is known to be at least as cold as 3 degrees Kelvin (where zero is the total absence of molecular movement), or -270 celsius, -454 Fahrenheit. Out where there is no magetosphere to protect you, lethal levels of radiation saturate the airless void. Stars, let alone other life-sustaining planets (of which we don't know of any) are impossible distances away.. light from the nearest star takes over 4 years to reach us...
This is the universe you say God intelligently governs and made for us.
Apparently this:
Sure they can.And yet you cant even give dates ;p. You have been trumped.
Apparently this: