Where do the other planets fit in?

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The only 'evidence' science has for life on other planets is the the sheer number of 'planets' and 'probability'. Science reasons that because of the size of the universe there 'must' be life out there somewere. It's a fools errand, like thinking to improve 50 to 1 odds by throwing the dice more, not realizing that the odds remain the same no matter how many times the dice are tossed.

Guys GUYS ! Since Galileo (so it's been said) invented the telescope, we have been looking intensively into the universe as far and as wide as we can see, which isn't very much incidently, to see if there's any other life out there. And yet, even till now where we have the most sophisticated forms of communication ever, we are still none the wiser.

There's nothing out there fellas. If there was, surely by now we'd know !

ESPECIALLY YOU CLEVER SCIENTISTS !!!

Signed- A Spectator. :cool:
 
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Guys GUYS ! Since Galileo (so it's been said) invented the telescope, we have been looking intensively into the universe as far and as wide as we can see, which isn't very much incidently, to see if there's any other life out there. And yet, even till now where we have the most sophisticated forms of communication ever, we are still none the wiser.

There's nothing out there fellas. If there was, surely by now we'd know !

ESPECIALLY YOU CLEVER SCIENTISTS !!!

Signed- A Spectator. :cool:
So, is this a prediction of your theology? If so, and we find life, will you accept that your theology is refuted?
 
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So, is this a prediction of your theology? If so, and we find life, will you accept that your theology is refuted?


No, this is not a prediction of theology. It is just a comment from my observations of the past, and also a statement according to the facts, to date.

Should you find any sign of life out there, hereafter, it would be a big surprise to me indeed. But, it certainly is one way to acknowledge the grand scale of the existence of creation. :scratch:
 
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Guys GUYS ! Since Galileo (so it's been said) invented the telescope, we have been looking intensively into the universe as far and as wide as we can see, which isn't very much incidently, to see if there's any other life out there. And yet, even till now where we have the most sophisticated forms of communication ever, we are still none the wiser.

There's nothing out there fellas. If there was, surely by now we'd know !

ESPECIALLY YOU CLEVER SCIENTISTS !!!

Signed- A Spectator. :cool:
This is the equivalent of someone from the late Victorian era or early 20th century stating that technology and human progress had advanced as far as possible. I mean, if there were more to discover, why wouldn't they have discovered it by then?
 
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This is the equivalent of someone from the late Victorian era or early 20th century stating that technology and human progress had advanced as far as possible. I mean, if there were more to discover, why wouldn't they have discovered it by then?

In response to that, why wouldn't they have discovered it by now !

Never mind, if there is something that we never run out of, it's time.

Signed - It's never too late.
 
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In response to that, why wouldn't they have discovered it by now !

Never mind, if there is something that we never run out of, it's time.

Signed - It's never too late.

Considering that there are ~10^23 stars in the universe (not sure how many planets that there are likely to be, but you get the picture), it's rather unreasonable to state that we should have found life by now, given that we have so far only found ~500 planets and given that we're unable to conduct any thorough search of these planets except to look for clues in the light emitted.
 
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No, this is not a prediction of theology. It is just a comment from my observations of the past, and also a statement according to the facts, to date.

Should you find any sign of life out there, hereafter, it would be a big surprise to me indeed. But, it certainly is one way to acknowledge the grand scale of the existence of creation. :scratch:

So, no matter what we find on other worlds, lifeless barren worlds, or ones teeming with life, it is all evidence of your god's creation... correct?
 
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That is mathematically incorrect.

Do you want to understand why, or will you follow the usual creationist way and ignore anything that doesn´t agree with you?

I just used dice and 50 to 1 odds as an example. There may be more or less combinations of numbers. My point is that no matter how many times you toss the dice the odds for turning up any given combination remain the same. For example if your trying to shake 'snake-eyes' and the odds are so-many-to-one against it you don't improve those odds by repeatedly tossing the dice. Each toss has the same odds. You may toss your number on the first shake, or on the 50th. This doesn't change the basic odds for or against tossing your number. The odds are detemined by the number of possible combinations of numbers. Also, even though experience over time reveals that a chosen number comes up more frequently than the number-combinations would dictate, the apparent/nominal odds remain the same: the number of possible combinations divided by one.
 
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The planets that we know about are "extrasolar" (out of our solar system). over 170. Those are only the planets we know about in our own Galaxy (Milky Way that are in close proximity (relativly speaking) to us. Those are only the ones we can see (faintly, with Hubble) There are Billions of other Galaxies easch with Billions of stars so who knows how many more solar systems those hold. We cannot even peer into the heart of our own galaxy because of distance. When you say "Gas Ginats" those are the only visible ones, the Earth size ones would not even be visible to Hubble at 15 light years. (which is not much, considering the estimated size of the Universe) even thought 1 light year is 6 trillion miles. (Our Glaxay, that our solar system resides in the outermost edge of.) I would imagine the Bible does not say much about this since at that time they thought the Earth was the center of the Universe.
distance is irrelevant
if you can see the star,
you can ''see'' the planet
 
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Considering that there are ~10^23 stars in the universe (not sure how many planets that there are likely to be, but you get the picture), it's rather unreasonable to state that we should have found life by now, given that we have so far only found ~500 planets and given that we're unable to conduct any thorough search of these planets except to look for clues in the light emitted.

Yes, I do get just a glimpse of the picture, as you say, and there is no denying of what has been scientifically found out there. But I do not consider it unreasonable to point out that no life has been detected to date, so far. But of course there can be no harm in searching while we discover the splendor of this vast magnificent universe, that is in itself, a living presence of some fantastic order of existence, and not fantasy. So therefore it is inevitable that the search will carry on, for it is in our nature, to discover what is beyond. Therefore enjoy the journey and happy discovering.
 
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So, what about all the other planets out there? Why do they exist? Why did god create them?

I'd love some kind of reasoning for the huge amounts of planets we have. And also some biblical insight into what might be on those planets, and what purpose they serve now, aswell as in the afterlife.
Some people believe that God created a living universe. The planets are in a fallen condition. When God restores all of creation they believe that all the planets will be restored and once again contain life.

Evolutionary theory says that wherever you go in the universe the elements or building blocks of life remain consistant. Some believe that if you were to do it all over again, you would end up with the same results because the elements will create the same forms of life anywhere in the known universe. (Life's Solutions Simon Conway Morris)
 
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So, no matter what we find on other worlds, lifeless barren worlds, or ones teeming with life, it is all evidence of your god's creation... correct?

Those words come from you, and that statement is yours, so therefore you are answering your own question.

Whether it is evidence of your gods creation or not, you cannot deny that there is a universe that functions in an intelligent and most complex manner, that is set with an orderly set of laws that governs its actions and outcomes, and that there is no possibility of any man in all existence now or ever that can ever create such an existence. :doh:
 
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Off topic: I know folks don't generally like name droppers, but I'm pretty good friends with the Man who made the universe.

Carry on.:D

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
 
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Those words come from you, and that statement is yours, so therefore you are answering your own question.
My point is that if any possible evidence is considered evidence for creation, then that means that no evidence is meaningful evidence for creation.

Whether it is evidence of your gods creation or not, you cannot deny that there is a universe that functions in an intelligent and most complex manner, that is set with an orderly set of laws that governs its actions and outcomes, and that there is no possibility of any man in all existence now or ever that can ever create such an existence. :doh:
Please backup your assertion that the universe operates "in an intelligent manner." Yes, the universe follows natural laws, but these are based on the characteristics of the universe. They are not imposed, they are intergral to the universe we live in. Finally, who claimed that a man created the universe??
 
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