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Where did other religions come from?

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Umaro

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Well there were other religions as well at the time before Christ walked this Earth so there needs to be some offshoots there. But the chart looks pretty good to me.

Whats not to understand. Like I said. Some people lost sight of God and started up religions on what they thought should be the norm.


Say somebody gave me some advice on how to live. They made me promises. But it was going to take some time. I followed the advice and path but than these things did not come into effect as soon as I wanted. Sometimes things looked hopeless. So than I decide to make choices myself and start a new direction of my life based on my thinking.

This kind of thinking is what causes some to stray. And it did cause some to stray like the Israelites thinking that they had a better way than Gods way.

The focus needs to be on Him. We need to trust Him even when thinks look impossible. The parting of the Red Sea is a great example.
The problem I'm hitting is that when new beliefs evolve, in a population they use the old ones for a basis. The flaw is that, using the Native American beliefs as an example, there is no similar basis. America is majority Christian now, right? So lets say we sealed off America from any contact with the rest of the world. You're saying that over time, let's say Scientology, could replace every other belief system, and eradicate every single bit of evidence that the others ever existed?

Heron, I used Judaism for lack of a better term. Adam and Eve would have believed in that God.
 
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Yes ... what I'm saying is that religion comes much later than realization.

I'm trying to avoid the us-them comparison that comparative religion studies bring up. People go through a growth process, a search for truth, and they are not always tied to one religion for life.

I agree that numbers don't count. There are religions that will excommunicate and kill people who leave the faith... others that intimidate to keep the numbers. I wasn't indoctrinated into atheism before I became a Christian -- I just hadn't thought much about it.
 
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First off, number of believers shows nothing. If it did, the world would still be flat. Secondly, atheism has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. If you are not going to contribute, please don't post here.

Sorry, you asked the question and I answered. And I disagree with you that numbers mean nothing. The answer is Romans 1. You obviously don't like that answer. Sorry, it's the truth.
 
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Hi Umaro, It's hard for us today to comprehend what it was like to live in the ancient world before there was written language, easy transportation and population was exceedingly sparse.

If religious doctrine is not written down, or if there is not a large population base to remember it, it is extremely easy to corrupt or lose and thus changes very rapidly. If you look at linguistics, scientists believe that all languages started as one and evolved and merged into the many languages we have today. Language changes much more slowly that religious doctrine so I'm not sure why you feel that any proposed Christian timeline doesn’t allow for the many religions that history records. Religion changes drastically in an instant by someone simply making a new one up.

Some historical examples: Around 600AD, Muhammad, who had traveled to Christian cities as a merchant, and was likely familiar with Christian teachings, came home and pronounced a new religion very similar to Judaism/Christianity, but one where he was the main link to the creator- a new religion in an instant.

During the failing days of the Roman Empire, Constantine (so the story goes) was fighting many contenders for the throne. He claims to have had a dream where he was told to go into battle under the sign of the cross. So he paints crosses on his standards and ends up winning the battle and then goes about founding a Christian-like ‘church’. Constantine the Great’s church and doctrine would not be recognizable to Christians today; it was something of a mishmash of polytheistic superstitions with a Christian whitewash- a new religion in an instant.

The Roman emperors said they were gods and an entire religion-the imperial cult, began- a new religion in an instant.

The Bible says that Abraham left the god’s of his fathers to follow God. This would mean that before the exile into Egypt, before the entire establishment of Judaism, or Israel, God had already been mostly forgotten. God re-established his relationship with mankind through Moses and his prophets. For your chart to be correct, it would need to reflect this.

If I could make an observation: I don’t believe you are here to try to understand Christians. If you could see any logic in Christianity, you would be a Christian, and since you are not, why would you come here to ask logical questions of an illogical group. You are here to rub any inconsistencies you perceive in Christian doctrine in Christian’s faces. If it is illogical to say there is a God, so is it just as illogical to say there is not. There could be sense in saying ‘I don’t know’ (agnostic), but to say ‘there is not’ (atheist) is to say that you know all, that there is no truth hidden from you- only a fool would make this claim.

What atheism and almost all religions suffer from, including Christianity, is worship of self because humankind suffers from worship of self. When someone worships themselves, their eyes shut to everything around them other than what ‘feels good’ to them; truths and untruths do not guide their path; they are driven by their own desires and pleasure. If you wish to understand people who call themselves Christians, then stop looking at them as one group. Christians are not a consistent single-minded mass; there is no restriction on who calls themselves a Christian so you will get no coherent, cohesive answer. Christians are humans; if you want to understand them, simply try to understand mankind- understand yourself.
 
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I am not going to assume that you're here to tear us down, but Robin has some great points.
The majority of these show no relation to the Christian God, and could not have evolved out of the single initial belief as you faith would claim.
I'm not sure that our faith claims that. The Bible certainly doesn't, but I'd imagine a lot of people would make those statements. "No relation"... well, many have one God that supercedes the others. And most have moral codes, flood stories, creation stories, and value personal spiritual reflection.
 
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I am not going to assume that you're here to tear us down, but Robin has some great points.
I'm not sure that our faith claims that. The Bible certainly doesn't, but I'd imagine a lot of people would make those statements. "No relation"... well, many have one God that supercedes the others. And most have moral codes, flood stories, creation stories, and value personal spiritual reflection.
Creationism implies it. Christianity says that God created two people and they populated the earth, that is one population with one religion.
 
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Wow, that's quite a simplification. Notice that in the first generation of offspring, someone rejected God's advice. Cain married, and started a city. That implies that more people were around. We really can't put as much weight on Genesis 2 as those who oppose it push us into doing.
 
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Adam = "red"
Strong's Number: 0121
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    [*] first man
    [*] city in Jordan valley
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Strong's #120
  1. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]
    [*] man, human being
    [*] man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
    [*] Adam, first man
    [*] city in Jordan valley
    [/FONT]
 
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What does the size of the population who are atheists have anything to do with this? And as I've said numerous times before, I'm here trying to understand Christians because I'm surrounded by them in America and American politics. I AM NOT HERE TO SEEK RELIGION.


Let me introduce you to the Purpose statement of this forum


Questions by Non Christians - - Statement of Purpose

The purpose of this forum is to help members who are seeking to become Christians, or to better understand Christianity. This forum is designed specifically for non-Christians to ask Christians, both staff and members, about Christianity, the Christian faith, Christian worship, and other questions about Christianity such as salvation, prayer life, miracles, and the gospel.



The direction of this thread has gone away from the forum's purpose. If you are not here as a seeker, I ask you take your questions about Christianity to the General Apologetics forum.
 
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