Where did Lucifer's "iniquity" come from?

[toLiJC]

Who is "we"? What are you called?


Eternity does not have a start nor an end.

God does not "reach His mature form." God is. God does not change.

What you are speaking/teaching/writing here is heresy. This is not Christian belief.

toLiJC, I do not know what type of group you have gotten invovled with, but it is an abomination to the Word of God and the person of God Himself. You need to renounce this aberrant image of God.

Jesus loves you. The Jesus of the Bible...the Jesus who is One with the Father. Jesus is God Himself. There is One God. The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One. They are One God; three persons in One God. It is called the Trinity. And God does not change. He does not mature. He does not cycle. He is constant and He is perfect.

Accept the true Jesus and become born again; get out of whatever movement you are in. You can search the internet for men like Joseph Prince www.JosephPrince.org , Andrew Wommack www.awmi.net , Kenneth Copeland www.kcm.org and learn from these ministries.

The theology that you have professed here is heresy. It is not what Christianity professes and preaches.

toLiJC, there are many here who will love you into the kingdom, but you must get out of whatever is teaching you this strange idea of God. Accept the God of the Christian Bible; learn from good teachers. Grow in Christ.

i am not a follower/member of any movement, i just have met Jesus Christ Himself, not that i found Him, but He appeared to me and made me testify His Word, i never was any follower/member of whatever denomination, however the life of God and hereby the eternity also has a cycle, of course God always remains the same, He never changes, but pass through some certain phases of the eternity which are the beginning and the end of the eternal cycle/circle, it is like the beginning and the end of a vinyl record which replays again and again non stop, so the eternity is both endless and cyclic with a beginning and an end, because after each end occurs the next beginning and this cyclicity has no an end throughout the full rotation of the entire circuit of the wheel of roles for the souls, so, God is always the same, there is no a shadow of turning in Him, but as the human being remains the same person passing through birth, life and death, so God likewise pass through a beginning and en end, as it is written:

Revelation 21:6 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.",

Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.",

Ecclesiastes 1:10 "Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time(ie in the previous circles of the eternity), which was before us(ie before the current cycle)."

we believe only in Those Ones Who really Are the true God Father and the true Lord Jesus Christ, and never pervert/contradict Their Word and the Bible, otherwise we can be judged, we do not want at all to risk our standing before God and Jesus

Blessings

 

[Estherann]

I'm sorry if I'm off topic. I have tried to read this thread from the beginning to end. How Satan must love it! I nearly made it to the end, but as I was doing so, I felt great darkness around me. I was scared!

When I study Jesus and the Holy Father I feel warmth and protection, joy and love. I think it is dangerous to go on and on about the enemy, because that is exactly what he is, and what he would want us to do.

We don't have the answers to many things, that is where faith and trust comes in.

Do we need to know all the whys and wherefores? Jesus did not explain everything to the apostles. He gave them knowledge as he knew they were ready for it.

I would rather study God and Jesus.

I am not saying it is wrong to ask questions, but sometimes we do not know the answers.

 

[Tennisplayer]

I'm sorry if I'm off topic. I have tried to read this thread from the beginning to end. How Satan must love it! I nearly made it to the end, but as I was doing so, I felt great darkness around me. I was scared!

When I study Jesus and the Holy Father I feel warmth and protection, joy and love. I think it is dangerous to go on and on about the enemy, because that is exactly what he is, and what he would want us to do.

We don't have the answers to many things, that is where faith and trust comes in.

Do we need to know all the whys and wherefores? Jesus did not explain everything to the apostles. He gave them knowledge as he knew they were ready for it.

I would rather study God and Jesus.

I am not saying it is wrong to ask questions, but sometimes we do not know the answers.

I am with you 100%.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

I'm sorry if I'm off topic. I have tried to read this thread from the beginning to end. How Satan must love it! I nearly made it to the end, but as I was doing so, I felt great darkness around me. I was scared!

When I study Jesus and the Holy Father I feel warmth and protection, joy and love. I think it is dangerous to go on and on about the enemy, because that is exactly what he is, and what he would want us to do.

We don't have the answers to many things, that is where faith and trust comes in.

Do we need to know all the whys and wherefores? Jesus did not explain everything to the apostles. He gave them knowledge as he knew they were ready for it.

I would rather study God and Jesus.

I am not saying it is wrong to ask questions, but sometimes we do not know the answers.

Welcome! I read threads in conversation mode (hybrid) and where this post was inserted certainly is strange to your point, but only because the sub-thread it is in wandered off track from the OP.

As far as the OP and the posts that stayed on topic, I can't say that I totally disagree with you, but I do in a sense. I get the feeling from your post that you are more comfortable studying about the Father and Jesus and that study about the enemy is not your favorite. And in this I agree wholeheartedly.

But the Bible does cover the enemy, his tactics and his position (under our feet!) in detail. It is a subject that should be studied and covered for it gives insight into how the enemy will try to deal with you if you leave an open target.

Perhaps what most needs to be pointed out is that ANY discussion of the enemy should be biblically based and should not be made based upon traditions, feelings and "this is what I think" attitudes. The Bible gives great insight into his tactics, and also great advice as to how to deal with him (resist and he will flee!). If you do not understand the tactics of your enemy, then you likely will leave open a way of attack and he will hurt you.

 

[Estherann]

As I stated, I did not reach the end of the thread, so didn't know it had gone off topic, but reading the first 5 pages gave me a dark reaction I didn't like, and I don't think that satan's tactics were being discussed. I felt I should post how it made me feel.

Perhaps I read it wrong?

Love to all
Ann

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

As I stated, I did not reach the end of the thread, so didn't know it had gone off topic, but reading the first 5 pages gave me a dark reaction I didn't like, and I don't think that satan's tactics were being discussed. I felt I should post how it made me feel.

Perhaps I read it wrong?

Love to all
Ann

I couldn't say that you read it wrong, as there is a sub-thread here that is disturbing to me involving one who is claiming Christianity but teaching something that is not, and presenting a picture of God and Jesus that isn't biblical.

I don't know what you are discerning exactly, but I don't question that you may have felt it.

Remember: "greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world."

 

[now faith]

I'm sorry if I'm off topic. I have tried to read this thread from the beginning to end. How Satan must love it! I nearly made it to the end, but as I was doing so, I felt great darkness around me. I was scared!

When I study Jesus and the Holy Father I feel warmth and protection, joy and love. I think it is dangerous to go on and on about the enemy, because that is exactly what he is, and what he would want us to do.

We don't have the answers to many things, that is where faith and trust comes in.

Do we need to know all the whys and wherefores? Jesus did not explain everything to the apostles. He gave them knowledge as he knew they were ready for it.

I would rather study God and Jesus.

I am not saying it is wrong to ask questions, but sometimes we do not know the answers.

So true my sister, almost any mention of him or curious notions, gives him place. We try to help others by answering questions, and getting those answers from Gods word. This is how Christ rebuked him in the wilderness, our lord would not allow Satan to create a response that would give Satan any glory. You seem to have a gift of discernment, based on your comments. Always rebuke Satan in Jesus name ,and pray for Spiritual knowlage. Never fear Satan , you have authority over darkness through Christ , God bless.

 

[now faith]

I couldn't say that you read it wrong, as there is a sub-thread here that is disturbing to me involving one who is claiming Christianity but teaching something that is not, and presenting a picture of God and Jesus that isn't biblical.

I don't know what you are discerning exactly, but I don't question that you may have felt it.

Remember: "greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world."

She is discerning , the continued reference to the term (we) it has been mentioned in a context of a group , as in legion.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

She is discerning , the continued reference to the term (we) it has been mentioned in a context of a group , as in legion.

That does bother me as well. There is a mixture of Christian terms and mystic idealism here. I feel that toLiJC wants to find Jesus but he is misled and has wandered down a wrong path. Pray for him -- the Lord can lead him if he will listen.

 

[toLiJC]

God is Love, all we just need good attitude/treatment in the faith, because if no one of the clerics/believers judges, then this world will be only paradise for all people, without whatever evil for anyone of them, as it is written:

Daniel 7:11-12 "I beheld then because of the voice(ie of the word) of the great(ie of the condemnatory) words which the horn spake(ie which the mind/mouth of the bad clerics/believers spews/speaks): I beheld even till the beast(ie the iniquity in the faith, or, the spiritual/religious iniquity) was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the beasts(ie the rest of the activities), they had their dominion(ie their satanic power) taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time."

Blessings

 

[FreeinChrist]

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