Where are the current ripples from Noah's Flood?

[KevinT]

But not evidence of the flood itself which was suppose to have happened only 4000 years ago.

I think I misunderstood your intent with your original post. I realize now that you were saying that there is no evidence of a worldwide flood 4000 yrs ago. I went back and looked at the OP and you said that there was no evidence for a Biblical flood. And I see that you meant this be set within the apparent timeline of < 10,000 yrs of the Bible.

I have been working on a personal theory of Old-Creation, Old-Earth, Recent-Sin theory to try to reconcile the data from the world around us with the teachings of the Bible.

KT

 

[KevinT]

Except the historicity doesn't match at all. How could people in the Bronze Age know and write about a flood that occurred 60-odd millions of years before they were around?

This is a reasonable point. I agree that it would be quite a game of "telephone" where the story gets passed down generation by generation and distorted in the process. I do believe in an active God, so inspiration could make this work?

KT

 

[KevinT]

I don't need encouragement to make silly quips.

If you think I'm bad here, you should see me in real life.

I can barely tie my shoes.

(And I'm not kidding, either.)

If what you say is true, then why are you so intent on putting down others that are trying hard to make sense of real-world data?

KT

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This is a reasonable point. I agree that it would be quite a game of "telephone" where the story gets passed down generation by generation and distorted in the process. I do believe in an active God, so inspiration could make this work?

KT

That still makes no sense, since as I said prior, the asteroid strike at Chixculub was 66 million years ago, millions of years before humans evolved. Do you see how that time difference would be a problem?

 

[Astrid]

Yes! That is exactly my point. The OP was "how can there have been a flood when we don't see ripples?" My point is that yes, there was a worldwide flood -- albeit long long ago. It's just the timing of the Noah flood story that doesn't match. It is NOT whether or not a flood occurred.

KT

It’s not just the timing, it’s every detail other than maybe the word
” water “.

including the extent of flooding.

At no time could all dry land have gone under water.

No doubt there have been many impacts that resulyed in
worldwide tsumami’s of divers extent.

connecting any of them to bible story is absurd.

 

[Astrid]

I have not seen any credible evidence other than the biblical references about a global flood. So, if we read the Bible carefully, there is no global flood. All it says is that the flood waters were as far as one can see. So, this can be a local flood.

The flood story is exactly what makes genesis a non credible sourc.
And
It says a whole lot more and more specific than just your short paraphrase.

 

[Astrid]

This is a reasonable point. I agree that it would be quite a game of "telephone" where the story gets passed down generation by generation and distorted in the process. I do believe in an active God, so inspiration could make this work?

KT

Generation by generation for over 60,000,000 years?
Shirley you’re joking!

 

[AV1611VET]

If what you say is true, then why are you so intent on putting down others that are trying hard to make sense of real-world data?

KT

I hope you're wrong.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Can you expand on this more? I'd like to see the problems with my Chicxulub = Noah's flood theory.

KT

A big rock makes a big splash. Big waves are created but receded quickly. Completely does not match endless rain.

 

[KevinT]

That still makes no sense, since as I said prior, the asteroid strike at Chixculub was 66 million years ago, millions of years before humans evolved. Do you see how that time difference would be a problem?

I am convinced that there was an asteroid strike because there is physical evidence of it in the world today. I am not convinced that humans evolved from nothing (abiogenesis). I have had extensive training on cellular biology and genetics, and I do not see that system as being sufficient to generate humans.

So in your framework, there would be a conflict if the meteor strike is dated before humans were around. But in my view, the timeline is not clear and there is room for many possibilities.

Best wishes,

KT

 

[KevinT]

Generation by generation for over 60,000,000 years?
Shirley you’re joking!

No, I was thinking that God could reveal by vision something that happened in the past to a person much much later.

KT

 

[KevinT]

A big rock makes a big splash. Big waves are created but receded quickly. Completely does not match endless rain.

Gen 7: 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Yes there was rain, but it doesn't sound to me like just too many gloomy and rainy afternoons caused flooding. This sounds cataclysmic to me.

Regarding the waves receding quickly, I'm not so sure. A meteor strike would introduce energy into the system. And the waves will only stop once that energy has been transferred into something else. I can imagine waves going around and around the earth for months.

KT

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes there was rain, but it doesn't sound to me like just too many gloomy and rainy afternoons caused flooding. This sounds cataclysmic to me.

But the impact wouldn't generate any continuing rainfall. It's all about big tsunamis. The come in from the sea and then go back out. Not a building flood either.

Regarding the waves receding quickly, I'm not so sure. A meteor strike would introduce energy into the system. And the waves will only stop once that energy has been transferred into something else. I can imagine waves going around and around the earth for months.

And if you want to know how long the tsunamis reverberated in the ocean, there is probably a study on that. But, the biggest problem from Chixculub matching Noah is that Chixculub happened 65 million years *BEFORE* there were people and people are the most important part of the Noah story.

KT

 

[Astrid]

No, I was thinking that God could reveal by vision something that happened in the past to a person much much later.

KT

But the world is well populated with Bronze Age civilization in the story-
so god just made up all the details except for water?

We feel there’s a major square peg round hole issue in your theory.

How about the obvious as with other such myths in every culture-
its just a story.

 

[dlamberth]

Yes! That is exactly my point. The OP was "how can there have been a flood when we don't see ripples?" My point is that yes, there was a worldwide flood -- albeit long long ago. It's just the timing of the Noah flood story that doesn't match. It is NOT whether or not a flood occurred.

KT

Going beyond the ripples, the earth itself has absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood, especially of the size and violence of a Noah flood. So it's not about timing. It's about non-existence of said flood. The lack of ripples are only a small part of it. It weird to me how people keep trying to find ways to go around the truth that the earth itself shows no sign of a Noah type flood.

 

[dlamberth]

I have been working on a personal theory of Old-Creation, Old-Earth, Recent-Sin theory to try to reconcile the data from the world around us with the teachings of the Bible.

Many have tried...all have failed.

 

[KevinT]

Going beyond the ripples, the earth itself has absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood, especially of the size and violence of a Noah flood. So it's not about timing. It's about non-existence of said flood. The lack of ripples are only a small part of it. It weird to me how people keep trying to find ways to go around the truth that the earth itself shows no sign of a Noah type flood.

I hear you saying that in order for there to be a flood as described in the Bible, it would have to be more violent that Chicxulub.

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OK, let's say multiple meteors hit at the same time.

But there really isn't any point arguing about this. I wasn't there. I can't say what happened outside my home yesterday, to say nothing about long ago. If you don't feel there is evidence of a water catastrophe in the past, I'll leave you to your own devices.

Best wishes,

KT

 

[dlamberth]

I hear you saying that in order for there to be a flood as described in the Bible, it would have to be more violent that Chicxulub.

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OK, let's say multiple meteors hit at the same time.

But there really isn't any point arguing about this. I wasn't there. I can't say what happened outside my home yesterday, to say nothing about long ago. If you don't feel there is evidence of a water catastrophe in the past, I'll leave you to your own devices.

Best wishes,

KT

Chicxulub, though large and violent was more or less localized when considering the whole of the earth. The Noah Flood on the other hand was suppose to have violently covered the entire globe. We have physical evidence of Chicxulub as well as other asteroid hits on the earth. There is no such physical evidence of a Noah Flood. It's that simple.

 

[AV1611VET]

Going beyond the ripples, the earth itself has absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood, especially of the size and violence of a Noah flood. So it's not about timing. It's about non-existence of said flood. The lack of ripples are only a small part of it. It weird to me how people keep trying to find ways to go around the truth that the earth itself shows no sign of a Noah type flood.

According to Astrid's post 76:

i just meant you can’t see a crater.
it took subsurface work to realize it was there.

Did they do subsurface work all over the earth at the same level?

Or did they assume ahead of time that they wouldn't find any ripples beyond a given point?

I mean, if they need to see ripples all over the earth to verify a global flood, why did they stop prematurely?

 

[AV1611VET]

Chicxulub, though large and violent was more or less localized when considering the whole of the earth. The Noah Flood on the other hand was suppose to have violently covered the entire globe. We have physical evidence of Chicxulub as well as other asteroid hits on the earth. There is no such physical evidence of a Noah Flood. It's that simple.

I have a feeling that biased scientists concluded that prematurely.