Where are the current ripples from Noah's Flood?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Run it through a computer and see what explanation the computer comes up with as to how the earth recovered itself from a global flood within a week's time.

I'll bet it will go 404.

Then patch that 404 with the Bible, and see what the computer comes up with.

Nonsensical commentary aside, we have the data. And the data shows... now global flood.

 

[dlamberth]

I haven't the faintest idea.

Natural history isn't my bag.

It's too full of lies and inaccuracies.

Here...I'll help you with that. Here's the response I received when asking ChatGPT "How were the ice age floods determined to be 10000 years ago"


The timing of the Ice Age floods, particularly the Missoula Floods in the Pacific Northwest, has been determined through a combination of geological evidence and radiocarbon dating. Here’s how scientists have established that these floods occurred around 10,000 years ago:

1. Geological Evidence: The landscape features left by the floods, such as scoured canyons, gravel bars, and sediment deposits, were studied. The scale and distribution of these features provided clues about the timing and frequency of the floods.
2. Stratigraphy: Layers of sediment were analyzed, with certain layers containing distinct characteristics associated with flood events. By studying the sequence of these layers, scientists could establish a timeline.
3. Radiocarbon Dating: Organic materials found within the sediment layers were radiocarbon dated. This helped pinpoint when certain materials were deposited, correlating them with the flooding events.
4. Ice Core Data: Ice cores from glaciers and polar regions provide information about climate changes over time. These cores indicate when ice began to melt and how that contributed to rising water levels.
5. Comparison with Other Events: The timing of the floods was also correlated with other known climatic events, such as the end of the last glacial period.

Together, these methods provided a robust timeline that suggests the Ice Age floods occurred approximately 10,000 to 15,000 years ago, marking a significant period in Earth's geological history.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not funny at all.

The Bible ends the history of the earth circa AD 100.

This Pacific northwest flood came about centuries later -- if it happened at all.

Except that we have evidence that there was a flood in the Pacific Northwest. The evidence is shown in the video.

Your claim is only on paper.

AV's claim on paper vs God's own creation. Which one is more consistent and compelling as evidence? HINT: it's not the former.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nonsensical commentary aside, we have the data.

Sure you do.

Sure you do.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sure you do.

Sure you do.

Yes we do. Hence why I said it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Together, these methods provided a robust timeline that suggests the Ice Age floods occurred approximately 10,000 to 15,000 years ago, marking a significant period in Earth's geological history.

Ask ChatGPT how many tries it took to get all that information to fit into one neat information package that scientists from different disciplines would all agree with?

 

[AV1611VET]

Except that we have evidence that there was a flood in the Pacific Northwest. The evidence is shown in the video.

Uh -- huh.

First he shows ripples on the beach caused by WIND.

Then he shows similar-looking ripples on a much larger scale.

But since the wind can't be the cause of that, they just say WATER did it.

Then, to account for the water, they come up with glaciers to provide the water.

Glaciers that, of course, melted.

So ... to recap ...

1. Start with ripples in the sand on the beach, caused by wind.
2. Change the sand to rocks.
3. Change the wind to water.
4. Add glaciers to provide the water.
5. Assume the glaciers melted.
6. Expand the decimal place of time out one decimal place to allow for 10,000 years.

And there you have it.

Some guy doing a two-minute explanation of a guy flying over some rock formation in a hang glider, acting like he's some kind of know-it-all.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Uh -- huh.

First he shows ripples on the beach caused by WIND.

Then he shows similar-looking ripples on a much larger scale.

But since the wind can't be the cause of that, they just say WATER did it.

Then, to account for the water, they come up with glaciers to provide the water.

Glaciers that, of course, melted.

So ... to recap ...

1. Start with ripples in the sand on the beach, caused by wind.
2. Change the sand to rocks.
3. Change the wind to water.
4. Add glaciers to provide the water.
5. Assume the glaciers melted.
6. Expand the decimal place of time out one decimal place to allow for 10,000 years.

And there you have it.

Some guy doing a two-minute explanation of a guy flying over some rock formation in a hang glider, acting like he's some kind of know-it-all.

Arrogance thy name is AV.

 

[AV1611VET]

Arrogance thy name is AV.

Call me arrogant, if you want to.

But you won't see me lying on the beach in a long-sleeve shirt and bow tie watching a bug walk across ripples caused by the wind.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Call me arrogant, if you want to.

But you won't see me lying on the beach in a long-sleeve shirt and bow tie watching a bug walk across ripples caused by the wind.

Well you did say that you were born ignorant and you'll die ignorant.

And arrogance and ignorance make perfect bedfellows...

 

[dlamberth]

Ask ChatGPT how many tries it took to get all that information to fit into one neat information package that scientists from different disciplines would all agree with?

It's how geology is done. I've participated in 1,2 and a modified 5. The reason for a modified 5 is because of the Columbia River Basalt flows which I've also spent some time on. Both the Ice Age Floods and the Basalt flows have had major impacts on the geology of the Pacific Northwest. The Palouse Falls are an example, there are others, where the violence of the Floods carved out the basalt to form an important feature of the channeled scab lands created by the Floods. I'd expect to see similar geological evidence of a Noah Global flood but in a much larger scale. But, none exist.

Here's a Wiki Link: Palouse Falls - Wikipedia

 

[AV1611VET]

Ask ChatGPT how many tries it took to get all that information to fit into one neat information package that scientists from different disciplines would all agree with?

It's how geology is done.

So you're not going to ask ChatGPT?

No problem.

I wouldn't either, if I were you.

It probably doesn't know anyway.

It just says what it's programmed to say.

 

[AV1611VET]

And arrogance and ignorance make perfect bedfellows...

So do science and intolerance.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So do science and intolerance.

So you claim, repeatedly.

 

[dlamberth]

Here a link to a map of the Ice Age Floods. It also shows the extent of the Glaciers.
Where I live my house would have been 200 feet underwater.
Ice Age Floods National Geologic Trail (U.S. National Park Service)

And here's a link to the Ice Age Floods institute, of which I'm a member.

Ice Age Floods Institute

The source for information about the Great Missoula Ice Age Floods.

www.iafi.org

 

[common prophets]

Floods leave distinctive geological evidence behind. Among other things, current ripples provide some of that physical evidence. The supposed size and violence of the Noah's flood would have left behind humongous size current ripples all over the Earth surface. But they simply don't exist. There's a lot of different kinds of geological features one sees in floods that simply are not there when looking for evidence of a Noah type global flood. Current ripples are one of those missing features.

The video below provides a good but short teaching tool on current ripples created by the Ice Age Floods that ran through the Pacific Northwest. In my time studying the Ice Floods I've seen these ripples. Nick Zentner teaches geology at Central Washington University. I've learned a lot of Pacific Northwest geology from him. Enjoy the learning lesson.

Firstly, the video talks about Ice Age ripples, whereas we are talking about 3000 BCE, so there were no Ice Age-type water flows at 3000 BCE, hence the parallel does not make sense.

Secondly, Noah's flood was by no means humongous or large. It was probably a smaller flood in a smaller area, but its grandeur arose because those people made a valiant response and they spread after that flood across the world. So, we need not extrapolate backward that Noah's flood was huge.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Firstly, the video talks about Ice Age ripples, whereas we are talking about 3000 BCE, so there were no Ice Age-type water flows at 3000 BCE, hence the parallel does not make sense.

Secondly, Noah's flood was by no means humongous or large. It was probably a smaller flood in a smaller area, but its grandeur arose because those people made a valiant response and they spread after that flood across the world. So, we need not extrapolate backward that Noah's flood was huge.

Except that we kind of have to when certain people say that Noah's flood WAS a truly global flood and they insist there's evidence for it.

 

[KevinT]

Floods leave distinctive geological evidence behind. Among other things, current ripples provide some of that physical evidence. The supposed size and violence of the Noah's flood would have left behind humongous size current ripples all over the Earth surface. But they simply don't exist. There's a lot of different kinds of geological features one sees in floods that simply are not there when looking for evidence of a Noah type global flood. Current ripples are one of those missing features.

Let me ask a related question. Do you believe that a giant meteor struck the earth at the site of the Chicxulub crater? This is believed to be behind the mass extinction event that wiped out dinosaurs. Where are the "ripples" left behind from that?

Although the timing is not consistent with the apparent timing outlined in the Bible, I think this meteor strike is the same event as the Biblical Noah's flood.

KT

 

[Zaha Torte]

Now we're getting somewhere.

Now, if those sorts of floods leave evidence, then a global flood would undoubtedly leave evidence, especially in places that were not subject to the same geography as in glacial dams that burst. Like finding current ripples in the middle of the Mongolian steppes or the Kalahari or Patagonia. Wide open places that were nowhere near glaciers.

As an example.

But of course... God cleaned everything up...

The patronization is very cringe.

Why do you assume that God's Flood would be the same as others?

Do you not know that God would not leave such verifiable evidence because He does not wish to forever damn you and others?

 

[Astrid]

Let me ask a related question. Do you believe that a giant meteor struck the earth at the site of the Chicxulub crater? This is believed to be behind the mass extinction event that wiped out dinosaurs. Where are the "ripples" left behind from that?

Although the timing is not consistent with the apparent timing outlined in the Bible, I think this meteor strike is the same event as the Biblical Noah's flood.

KT

Nothing on earth is consistent with genesis flood.
There was no “ flood”.
The asteroid impact was 65,000,000 years ago.

There is nothing to see at the site.

65,000,000 years is a long time for erosion, deposition,ocean intrusion, etc.

There are nevertheless places wher the “ k-t” boundary can be found.

There is no place where the “ flood” boundary can be found.
No sign anywhere of said flood.
Even our resident last Thursdayist admits to that; god cleaned it up, he says.


These are all things well known to a first year geology student or any
person with even moderate interest In earth history.

if you have any interest I can show you easy proof there was no flood.
( world wide, as plainly described in genesis)

Hint; ice floats