Where are the current ripples from Noah's Flood?

[CoreyD]

Was it supposed to be "violent"? It rained a lot for a long time and the water rose until every one drowned. If "fountains of the deep" is supposed to be anything it sounds like a big spring in the sea or something bubbling water up.

Thank you.
You just included something that no one I have spoken with on this has ever stopped to consider - that bursting open underwater does not mean ejecting with a force so great as to reach the atmosphere.

Noah's ark was built to float on the waters that would cover all the surface of the earth.
There is no need to assume a violent flood, as if Noah's ark was in a violent storm at sea.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no need to assume a violent flood, as if Noah's ark was in a violent storm at sea.

Then how did the Ark get from what is now New Jersey to the mountains of Ararat?

 

[CoreyD]

We have two recent hurricanes as examples of the damage that rushing water can do. And by comparison, they would have been tiny compared to a Noah Flood. Yes, after a certain depth I can see more of a bathtub sort of filling. But not at first where it would be a gush. But than there's the drainage effect afterwards. You just can't have that much water on the face of the earth with out evidence left behind.

You are forgetting something.
There were no "concrete jungles" in Noah's day.

If you want to know why water rushed around the way it does now, why not ask geologists?
Is it not because the water often has nowhere else to go, than where they are directed, by the obstacles that man has constructed. Not to mention the places that are blocked by man's bad habits.

Contractors are appointed by RIICO to clean the drains. But in many parts of the industrial area, drains have ceased to exist as they have been filled with polythene bags, leaves and other garbage. The fact that monsoon is around the corner , cleaning up drains is not a priority.

What causes a flood?

A flood, put simply, is the accumulation of water over normally dry land. It’s typically caused by the overflow of coastal or inland waters (like rivers and streams) or by an unusual accumulation of water from heavy or prolonged rains, storm surges, or sudden snowmelt. Often, the ways in which we manage our waterways (via dams, levees, and reservoirs) and the alterations we make to land also play a role in flooding. Increased urbanization, for example, adds impermeable surfaces (think roads and parking lots), altering natural drainage systems [and not keeping gutters and drains free of debris]. Areas can be especially prone to flooding when stormwater infrastructure isn’t maintained or homes are built in areas susceptible to flooding known as floodplains. More and more, flooding factors are also linked to climate change.​

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...low-lying areas with poor drainage are particularly vulnerable. Also caused by dam or levee breaks or the sudden overflow of water due to a debris or ice jam, flash floods combine the innate hazards of a flood with speed and unpredictability. That’s why they’re responsible for the greatest number of flood-related fatalities.​

I see this mistake being repeated repeatedly - that of using today's situation, or features, and projecting these on to the account of the flood of Noah's day.
When we do this, we make assumptions that lead to faulty conclusions.

 

[CoreyD]

Then how did the Ark get from what is now New Jersey to the mountains of Ararat?

I'm not saying the ark did not move. Water moves, doesn't it? What is floating on the water also moves.
The ark does not have to be in a stormy sea to get from... New Jersey? Noah was not in New Jersey. That's a funny one.
What's a person of Mesopotamian origin doing in New Jersey?

 

[AV1611VET]

Noah was not in New Jersey.

Are you sure?

Here's where what is now New Jersey was before, during, and just after the Flood:

In addition:

Genesis 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

New Jersey Pine Barrens

And also:

Noah's Ark Restaurant & Deli in New Jersey:

 

[dlamberth]

You are forgetting something.
There were no "concrete jungles" in Noah's day.

If you want to know why water rushed around the way it does now, why not ask geologists?
Is it not because the water often has nowhere else to go, than where they are directed, by the obstacles that man has constructed. Not to mention the places that are blocked by man's bad habits.

Contractors are appointed by RIICO to clean the drains. But in many parts of the industrial area, drains have ceased to exist as they have been filled with polythene bags, leaves and other garbage. The fact that monsoon is around the corner , cleaning up drains is not a priority.

What causes a flood?

A flood, put simply, is the accumulation of water over normally dry land. It’s typically caused by the overflow of coastal or inland waters (like rivers and streams) or by an unusual accumulation of water from heavy or prolonged rains, storm surges, or sudden snowmelt. Often, the ways in which we manage our waterways (via dams, levees, and reservoirs) and the alterations we make to land also play a role in flooding. Increased urbanization, for example, adds impermeable surfaces (think roads and parking lots), altering natural drainage systems [and not keeping gutters and drains free of debris]. Areas can be especially prone to flooding when stormwater infrastructure isn’t maintained or homes are built in areas susceptible to flooding known as floodplains. More and more, flooding factors are also linked to climate change.​

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...low-lying areas with poor drainage are particularly vulnerable. Also caused by dam or levee breaks or the sudden overflow of water due to a debris or ice jam, flash floods combine the innate hazards of a flood with speed and unpredictability. That’s why they’re responsible for the greatest number of flood-related fatalities.​

I see this mistake being repeated repeatedly - that of using today's situation, or features, and projecting these on to the account of the flood of Noah's day.
When we do this, we make assumptions that lead to faulty conclusions.

The obstacles would be things like mountains, hills, valleys, trees...the stuff of the Earth.

 

[dlamberth]

Are you sure?

Here's where what is now New Jersey was before, during, and just after the Flood:

View attachment 356110

Genesis 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

New Jersey Pine Barrens

Noah's Ark Restaurant & Deli in New Jersey:

View attachment 356111

And it took 100 years to move all of those continents around to their present location? And no one noticed?

 

[AV1611VET]

And it took 100 years to move all of those continents around to their present location?

100 years?

And no one noticed?

I don't know if they did or not.

Depends on how gently God moved all those continents around.

I'm sure they noticed after awhile though.

 

[CoreyD]

The obstacles would be things like mountains, hills, valleys, trees...the stuff of the Earth.

Water diverts from trees, valleys, hills and mountains???
I wonder if you can demonstrate that to me.
I know water goes around these things. I have never seen water divert from any of them... a tree, much less.

I have seen people drown when water that is dammed up, comes rushing down in one direction, and in one "heap".
How does this work with those things you mentioned?

 

[CoreyD]

Are you sure?

Here's where what is now New Jersey was before, during, and just after the Flood:

View attachment 356110

In addition:

Genesis 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

New Jersey Pine Barrens

And also:

Noah's Ark Restaurant & Deli in New Jersey:

View attachment 356111

We're sure.

 

[AV1611VET]

We're sure.

Then I assume you have a better location where Noah lived?

 

[CoreyD]

Then I assume you have a better location where Noah lived?

The Bible says, at Genesis 4:16-24, East of Eden, Cain gave birth to Enoch, and built a city, named after his son Enoch.
Enoch had a son named Irad, who became the father of Mehujael, who in turn became the father of Methushael. Then Methushael became the father of Lamech - Noah's father.
So, somewhere nearby, to the East of Eden, is where Noah lived.

Someone attempted a map to represent that location - the land of Nod.

Maps showing where the Garden of Eden would have been located, all agree with this.

That's quite far from New Jersey, and quite close to Mesopotamia.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's quite far from New Jersey, and quite close to Mesopotamia.

Those maps are flawed.

What's the Caspian sea doing in there? the Black Sea? the Mediterranean sea? the Red sea? and the Persian gulf?

In addition, the United States went from Boston (f. 1630) to Los Angeles (f. 1781) -- a distance of three thousand miles -- in 150 years.

Given that it was 1656 years to the Flood, which is more than ten times the number of years from Boston to Los Angeles, I'd say there's some serious errors being passed around here.

Typical for academia though.

They overlook so much of what the Bible says.

 

[CoreyD]

Those maps are flawed.

What's the Caspian sea doing in there? the Black Sea? the Mediterranean sea? the Red sea? and the Persian gulf?

In addition, the United States went from Boston (f. 1630) to Los Angeles (f. 1781) -- a distance of three thousand miles -- in 150 years.

Given that it was 1656 years to the Flood, which is more than ten times the number of years from Boston to Los Angeles, I'd say there's some serious errors being passed around here.

Typical for academia though.

They overlook so much of what the Bible says.

Can I please see your map of Noah's time? Enlarged.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

My point was that you seemed to be giving the OT writers' limited knowledge of the whole earth as a reason for us not believing that the Flood covered the whole earth.

And that's a problem why?

 

[Astrid]

And it took 100 years to move all of those continents around to their present location? And no one noticed?

This has gotten very childish

 

[AV1611VET]

Can I please see your map of Noah's time? Enlarged.

 

[CoreyD]

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Thank you.
Why did you relocate Noah to North America, rather than Eurasia?

 

[sjastro]

Thank you.
You just included something that no one I have spoken with on this has ever stopped to consider - that bursting open underwater does not mean ejecting with a force so great as to reach the atmosphere.

Noah's ark was built to float on the waters that would cover all the surface of the earth.
There is no need to assume a violent flood, as if Noah's ark was in a violent storm at sea.

Are we back to an underwater source are we?
These could be paleosprings, groundwater fed lakes or regions affected by tectonic activity. The sediments formed from groundwater sources tend to rich in minerals transported from deep aquifers, often forming evaporitic or carbonate-rich layers. These sediments are different from from rain-fed systems, which are transport-driven and more organic-rich.
There are also physical differences in the sediments.

Geologists can therefore tell whether ancient sediments have a groundwater or rain source all of which is immaterial as there is no evidence of sedimentation on a global scale which can be attributed to a Biblical flood.

 

[sjastro]

You are forgetting something.
There were no "concrete jungles" in Noah's day.

If you want to know why water rushed around the way it does now, why not ask geologists?
Is it not because the water often has nowhere else to go, than where they are directed, by the obstacles that man has constructed. Not to mention the places that are blocked by man's bad habits.

Contractors are appointed by RIICO to clean the drains. But in many parts of the industrial area, drains have ceased to exist as they have been filled with polythene bags, leaves and other garbage. The fact that monsoon is around the corner , cleaning up drains is not a priority.

What causes a flood?

A flood, put simply, is the accumulation of water over normally dry land. It’s typically caused by the overflow of coastal or inland waters (like rivers and streams) or by an unusual accumulation of water from heavy or prolonged rains, storm surges, or sudden snowmelt. Often, the ways in which we manage our waterways (via dams, levees, and reservoirs) and the alterations we make to land also play a role in flooding. Increased urbanization, for example, adds impermeable surfaces (think roads and parking lots), altering natural drainage systems [and not keeping gutters and drains free of debris]. Areas can be especially prone to flooding when stormwater infrastructure isn’t maintained or homes are built in areas susceptible to flooding known as floodplains. More and more, flooding factors are also linked to climate change.​

​

...low-lying areas with poor drainage are particularly vulnerable. Also caused by dam or levee breaks or the sudden overflow of water due to a debris or ice jam, flash floods combine the innate hazards of a flood with speed and unpredictability. That’s why they’re responsible for the greatest number of flood-related fatalities.​

I see this mistake being repeated repeatedly - that of using today's situation, or features, and projecting these on to the account of the flood of Noah's day.
When we do this, we make assumptions that lead to faulty conclusions.

I happen to live in rural Australia on flat terrain well away from the signs of urbanization, rivers and dams.
It floods here as well after heavy and continuous rain; initially water is absorbed by the ground but when the soil becomes saturated the water has nowhere to go but flood the environment.
Rural communities near river systems have experienced significant flooding where rivers have broken their banks resulting in destructive effects.

Flooding in NSW Hunter region 2022.