When you are a prophetic seer

[Heart2Soul]

This is the gift of prophecy...not the office of a Prophet such as Jonah. But I didn't put this post up to debate whether I was a prophetess or not but rather to seek encouragement to serve God in this area again. It has been a few years now since I have been used by God. It isn't for my glory...it is for His Glory.

Understand, I wasn't being so faithless as to be merely testing you. My issue with this gift is that it gets falsified A LOT these days. People stand up and profess to be "prophesying" when their just rattling off generic catch all phrases, and that is an insult to the true gift. But then there are the real ones. But before I could encourage you to operate in the real gift, I would have to know if it definitely is or not. So I was simply being spiritually responsible, and using proper precaution.

God bless,
Hidden

It is wise to always test the spirit to know if it is of God....but as I stated it has been awhile for God to use me in this calling...I walked away, He didn't...I failed Him because I was weak and got into self-pity....I have repented and I want to get back into a personal one-on-one relationship again.

 

[Heart2Soul]

It is wise to always test the spirit to know if it is of God....but as I stated it has been awhile for God to use me in this calling...I walked away, He didn't...I failed Him because I was weak and got into self-pity....I have repented and I want to get back into a personal one-on-one relationship again.

Also, I fear God's wrath upon me if I was to ever speak a false prophecy to anyone. I really didn't ask for this calling....I asked to be used in the healing ministry. But I couldn't disobey...that caused me lots of problems in the past and even now in the present for being disobedient to my calling. I am tired of walking beneath my blessings from God...I want His blessings back in my life. I want to be obedient to Him and have supernatural favor with even my enemies. AMEN!

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

It is wise to always test the spirit to know if it is of God....but as I stated it has been awhile for God to use me in this calling...I walked away, He didn't...I failed Him because I was weak and got into self-pity....I have repented and I want to get back into a personal one-on-one relationship again.

The gift of faith for instance is for our growth and is fairly steady because it's used in the sanctification of the individual while something like prophesy is a gift that comes and goes for the purpose of God in specific times, therefore not always present. I think that's the difference between being called a prophet (office) and speaking out for God when prompted by the Holy Spirit. Or like preaching an inspired message and just speaking from experience. Being used by God for His purposes (the needs of the church) includes faith to such a large extent because faithfulness implies a trust that God needs in the individual to respond to His work going on around them. iow, responsibilities.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Understand, I wasn't being so faithless as to be merely testing you. My issue with this gift is that it gets falsified A LOT these days. People stand up and profess to be "prophesying" when their just rattling off generic catch all phrases, and that is an insult to the true gift. But then there are the real ones. But before I could encourage you to operate in the real gift, I would have to know if it definitely is or not. So I was simply being spiritually responsible, and using proper precaution.

God bless,
Hidden

Understand, I wasn't being so faithless as to be merely testing you. My issue with this gift is that it gets falsified A LOT these days. People stand up and profess to be "prophesying" when their just rattling off generic catch all phrases, and that is an insult to the true gift. But then there are the real ones. But before I could encourage you to operate in the real gift, I would have to know if it definitely is or not. So I was simply being spiritually responsible, and using proper precaution.

God bless,
Hidden

I will seek God on a prophetic word for you but I will not post it publicly. So if God has a Word for you i will send it to you privately.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It is wise to always test the spirit to know if it is of God....but as I stated it has been awhile for God to use me in this calling...I walked away, He didn't...I failed Him because I was weak and got into self-pity....I have repented and I want to get back into a personal one-on-one relationship again.

If you have the true gift then you need to get back to it as quickly as possible, and NEVER walk away from it again. It is too important. The word still needs to be confirmed with signs and wonders following. Cessationists and those with little faith think they are going to bring about the end-time harvest simply by arguing people into believers. It's not going to happen. Christianity is slowly DYING because of that approach, and they are too blind to see it.

I know a member here who operated in the real gift many years ago, and gave very accurate words to dozens upon dozens of members here. But he stopped after about six months because he got to where he felt like he was being used by people, always wanting a word, and another word, and another word. That just comes with the territory. People WANT to hear from God, not man, so the demand will be very high...

Anyway, don't let anything deter you if you have the true gift. It's a tactic of the enemy to stop the TRUE work of God, and you would be sorely needed.

Also, I fear God's wrath upon me if I was to ever speak a false prophecy to anyone.

Oh, please. Just grow in the thing. To think you could never miss it, even the slightest little bit, is to think you can somehow stop being human. If you miss it, just repent, and then let the Lord teach you where you went wrong, so you can learn from your mistake and not repeat it the next time.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I will seek God on a prophetic word for you but I will not post it publicly. So if God has a Word for you i will send it to you privately.

Good, good. Just send me a private conversation. I would love to hear from you.

 

[Heart2Soul]

If you have the true gift then you need to get back to it as quickly as possible, and NEVER walk away from it again. It is too important. The word still needs to be confirmed with signs and wonders following. Cessationists and those with little faith think they are going to bring about the end-time harvest simply by arguing people into believers. It's not going to happen. Christianity is slowly DYING because of that approach, and they are too blind to see it.

I know a member here who operated in the real gift many years ago, and gave very accurate words to dozens upon dozens of members here. But he stopped after about six months because he got to where he felt like he was being used by people, always wanting a word, and another word, and another word. That just comes with the territory. People WANT to hear from God, not man, so the demand will be very high...

Anyway, don't let anything deter you if you have the true gift. It's a tactic of the enemy to stop the TRUE work of God, and you would be sorely needed.


Oh, please. Just grow in the thing. To think you could never miss it, even the slightest little bit, is to think you can somehow stop being human. If you miss it, just repent, and then let the Lord teach you where you went wrong, so you can learn from your mistake and not repeat it the next time.

But I will say this now, spiritual warriors, such as yourself, are far and few these days. Knowing God's Word is extremely important especially when confronting false teachers, preachers, prophets, evangelists and so on. I am baffled at the number of Christians I meet who cannot even quote a scripture from the Bible. Who don't know whether it is in the Bible or not when someone is preaching a sermon. I have challenged a few pastors on their message and asked them to show me scripture backing up their teaching. You are a seeker of truth, no doubt, but I know that God is restoring the 5 fold ministry and that the return of the Prophets is a must. I am sick of seeing churches full of members who are still spiritual babies who have never gotten off the "milk" of God's Word and started feeding on the "meat". A church whose members are not growing spiritually has a pastor who has failed to seek God's leading on what to preach. What you said about that member of your church is exactly what happened to me. Yes, I NEED a Mentor...can't find one...been seeking awhile now.

 

[Hidden In Him]

What you said about that member of your church is exactly what happened to me. Yes, I NEED a Mentor...can't find one...been seeking awhile now.

Actually, when I said a member, I meant a member here at Christian Forums. I'll give you his name if you send me a private conversation. I'm sure he wouldn't mind.

But I will say this now, spiritual warriors, such as yourself, are far and few these days. Knowing God's Word is extremely important especially when confronting false teachers, preachers, prophets, evangelists and so on. I am baffled at the number of Christians I meet who cannot even quote a scripture from the Bible. Who don't know whether it is in the Bible or not when someone is preaching a sermon. I have challenged a few pastors on their message and asked them to show me scripture backing up their teaching. You are a seeker of truth, no doubt, but I know that God is restoring the 5 fold ministry and that the return of the Prophets is a must. I am sick of seeing churches full of members who are still spiritual babies who have never gotten off the "milk" of God's Word and started feeding on the "meat". A church whose members are not growing spiritually has a pastor who has failed to seek God's leading on what to preach.

Without question, and it's why true teachers in the Lord are IMO even more sorely needed right now than true prophets or apostles... I'd go into more detail, but let's just say I agree with you. Even those who teach the scriptures aren't always doing so with much authority in the word, so the hearers don't receive the witness and confirmation of the Spirit when they hear it. And as a result they are not able to truly grow spiritually, line upon line, precept on precept.

The troublesome thing is I've seen even true prophets try to teach congregations, and suddenly the people have a way of tuning out even when the teaching is authoritative. It's like we live in a day and age when learning doctrine is viewed as "boring" and unnecessary, but then when everybody gets into trouble spiritually they never make a connection to the fact that they never grew in the word.

 

[Heart2Soul]

The gift of faith for instance is for our growth and is fairly steady because it's used in the sanctification of the individual while something like prophesy is a gift that comes and goes for the purpose of God in specific times, therefore not always present. I think that's the difference between being called a prophet (office) and speaking out for God when prompted by the Holy Spirit. Or like preaching an inspired message and just speaking from experience. Being used by God for His purposes (the needs of the church) includes faith to such a large extent because faithfulness implies a trust that God needs in the individual to respond to His work going on around them. iow, responsibilities.

Yes, I agree, and let me share just one instance to give you an idea...I was in prayer interceding and seeking God....He spoke to me and said "I want you to go speak to my servant, "Ben", I have a Word for him" I replied yes, Lord, I am your vessel...what is it you want to say...God said just go, the Holy Spirit will speak through you when you get there...(this was the 1st time God sent me blindly to give a message). So I went to his house, he invited me in, and I said "Ben, the Lord has a Word for you....He said sure let's hear it. Then the Holy Spirit began to speak....I can't remember word for word but what the jest of it was to warn him to repent and end an affair he was having with another married woman in the church. It was serious enough that God even warned him if he didn't repent and turn away from this sin he would die.
Well, after the message was given...i was shocked and I apologized to Ben because I didn't know that was what God wanted to say...then I went home and asked God to never use me like that again. It was almost 10 years later before God used me again...It was a prophetess who called me out in a church I went to visit who told me I can't tell God what to say and what not to say. Then she prayed and from that day on God used me again. So....back to Ben...he died a year after that word was spoken to him.
This is not how God uses me all the time...most of the time is to encourage...but still sometimes to warn.

 

[Sabertooth]

...and end an affair he was having with another married woman in the church.

Just curious. I don't need to know her name, but did God give her name in that prophecy, or just speak of her anonymously?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Yes, I agree, and let me share just one instance to give you an idea...I was in prayer interceding and seeking God....He spoke to me and said "I want you to go speak to my servant, "Ben", I have a Word for him" I replied yes, Lord, I am your vessel...what is it you want to say...God said just go, the Holy Spirit will speak through you when you get there...(this was the 1st time God sent me blindly to give a message). So I went to his house, he invited me in, and I said "Ben, the Lord has a Word for you....He said sure let's hear it. Then the Holy Spirit began to speak....I can't remember word for word but what the jest of it was to warn him to repent and end an affair he was having with another married woman in the church. It was serious enough that God even warned him if he didn't repent and turn away from this sin he would die.
Well, after the message was given...i was shocked and I apologized to Ben because I didn't know that was what God wanted to say...then I went home and asked God to never use me like that again. It was almost 10 years later before God used me again...It was a prophetess who called me out in a church I went to visit who told me I can't tell God what to say and what not to say. Then she prayed and from that day on God used me again. So....back to Ben...he died a year after that word was spoken to him.
This is not how God uses me all the time...most of the time is to encourage...but still sometimes to warn.

Yah that would be scary. I'm reminded of how Abraham was told what God was going to do before doing it. I would ask to have that pattern extended to yourself. Jesus no longer calls us servants but He calls us His friends John 15:14-15

Look at Romans 12:6-8 to see the progression of prophesy in this time of the new testament for the church.

Prophesy in verse 6 is direct revelation from God that speaks for God. It has to be remembered that in Hebrews 1 we're told that in times past God spoke to us thru prophets but in this day He speaks to us thru the Son. In a change from the old priesthood and into the new it has been scripturally pointed out that the old has passed away. Always now prophesy is related to Christ and a deeper revelation of Him for the edification of the body. The mind of Christ for His own. There's many passages that anyone can look up for a word study on gaining the mind of Christ. When breaking that down is something that all believers should have if they have truly laid themselves out as a living sacrifice (death to self) and that's just reasonable service. Prediction also can be included in prophesy. In any case it's light shining in the dark.
The next verse 7 relates to teaching, usually that which is revealed prophetically is taught. Teachers then would teach from conviction of the truth of what has been revealed to their hearts as truth according to the Holy Spirit within and always contained in scripture.
The verse following that 8 is exhortation that is based on both of the above. All 3 are used for building the body up in stature leading to the fullness of Christ. And all of them supply life to the saints because of the straight line to the Father thru His Son for the body.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yah that would be scary.

It sounds more like Nathan confronting David (about Bathsheba & Uriah).

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

It sounds more like Nathan confronting David (about Bathsheba & Uriah).

It does! And the baby did die

 

[Dave-W]

So I went to his house, he invited me in, and I said "Ben, the Lord has a Word for you....He said sure let's hear it. Then the Holy Spirit began to speak....I can't remember word for word but what the jest of it was to warn him to repent and end an affair he was having with another married woman in the church. It was serious enough that God even warned him if he didn't repent and turn away from this sin he would die.

Wow. That is intense. I was used in a similar way, (many years ago) with a word to a co-worker who was abusing his wife.

. It was almost 10 years later before God used me again...It was a prophetess who called me out in a church I went to visit who told me I can't tell God what to say and what not to say.

Yeah - she was absolutely right. The word is GOD'S, not ours.

One woman at a previous congregation once called down a guy (visitor) and then a woman sitting on the other side of the sanctuary (another visitor) to the front and told them to stop their affair together.

 

[Dave-W]

. Yes, I NEED a Mentor...can't find one...been seeking awhile now.

Please get ahold of the office at www.prmi.org. They are Presbyterians (but not so overtly Calvinist that they cannot work with us Arminians ) who have some of the best teaching stuff on the gifts of the Spirit I have seen.

They do have a Canada branch - located in Guelph, ONT I think. I am sure they could set you up with a mentor.

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ETA:

This is from a blurb about one of the PRMI ministers who helped set up the Dunamis project training seminars:

The hope was to move beyond holding inspirational celebrations for large groups of charismatics, to teaching and training Reformed people how to walk in the power of the Spirit--discipling people in “how to do it.”​

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Understood. Nothing I said was specifically for the office of prophet. It is all for people who have the gift. (and also for those receiving a prophecy)....

Hi Dave what is the difference between the office and the gift? Thanks

ETA the Op has supplied it to my page so I'll repost here
The Office of Prophet and the Gift of Prophecy: Art Katz
not sure if that's the one you mentioned.

Imo there are no longer offices of prophets. Sons and daughters will prophesy but not even Peter could maintain a revelation from God without saying something from another spirit 2 min later. There's only One that holds the office of prophesy now and He also holds the office of king and priest. He allows us to give utterance to His word but again not even Paul was infallible in always speaking forth God. Sometimes we can be in the wrong spirit as demonstrated by Peter and the sons of thunder. Infallibility is a condition of the office of prophet

Would you agree with that?

 

[Heart2Soul]

Please get ahold of the office at www.prmi.org. They are Presbyterians (but not so overtly Calvinist that they cannot work with us Arminians ) who have some of the best teaching stuff on the gifts of the Spirit I have seen.

They do have a Canada branch - located in Guelph, ONT I think. I am sure they could set you up with a mentor.

Contact Us

ETA:

This is from a blurb about one of the PRMI ministers who helped set up the Dunamis project training seminars:

The hope was to move beyond holding inspirational celebrations for large groups of charismatics, to teaching and training Reformed people how to walk in the power of the Spirit--discipling people in “how to do it.”​

Thanks for sharing, I already went to the website and read through some of what they teach.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Just curious. I don't need to know her name, but did God give her name in that prophecy, or just speak of her anonymously?[/QUOTE
It was not given in the message. But I remember in the spoken message that God said she had a very High Call on her life and some other stuff about her but I can't remember.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I suppose that is why God was intervening....His purpose for her life was too important to the thousands she would later be called to minister to.

 

[Dave-W]

Imo there are no longer offices of prophets.

I disagree.

Ephsians 4 lists office gifts to the kehilat/church:

11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.​

When do these office gifts expire? " ... until we all attain to the unity of the faith." (v 13) We are no where near that at this point.

What does the office of the prophet do? Equips the believers for the work of the Lord. Training others to function in prophetic gifts they have so the body can grow from it. A well-trained group of propheticly gifted people is a HUGE service to the body, both locally and universally.

Just like the difference between the office of the evangelist and everyone else who does evangelism on some level. Training. Direction. Coordination.