When you are a prophetic seer

[Anguspure]

It's brother.

Chur Bro'

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Yeah, that did throw me. On the other hand it kind of worked for me with what you wrote, which if I am frank (perhaps to my shame) may not have been the case (am I alone in this or is it more common?) if you had told me that you were a woman who see's things. It would appear that I have much to learn (in respect).
My Grandmother was often shunned for her sharp but honest tongue and yet I know many cantankerous old men who are given respect.
A hard road you walk my Sister, but you are not alone.

Do you mean that you wouldn't have shown her any respect of asking for a word if you hadn't thought of her as a male? I find that rather odd especially when referring to prophesy. Honesty isn't becoming to a women but a man can say what he thinks?
This is the type of thing that makes the road hard to walk in. And what I find very unbecoming in men.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yeah, that did throw me. On the other hand it kind of worked for me with what you wrote, which if I am frank (perhaps to my shame) may not have been the case (am I alone in this or is it more common?) if you had told me that you were a woman who see's things. It would appear that I have much to learn (in respect).
My Grandmother was often shunned for her sharp but honest tongue and yet I know many cantankerous old men who are given respect.
A hard road you walk my Sister, but you are not alone.

I have to confess that I did quite well because I had a wonderful husband, when he died, i just couldn't seem to keep it together. I lost it. Big time. I lost the will to live, to minister, to even care whether I pleased God or not. That was worse than any shunning from people i hardly know. It took years to stop grieving, but I have finally let him go. I am ready to take up my shield of faith and put on the whole armor of God and go to battle for the sake of His Kingdom and those who are lost. God Bless...oh by the way....We all look the same when we all bear the same covering of redemption by the blood of Christ.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Do you mean that you wouldn't have shown her any respect of asking for a word if you hadn't thought of her as a male? I find that rather odd especially when referring to prophesy. Honesty isn't becoming to a women but a man can say what he thinks?
This is the type of thing that makes the road hard to walk in. And what I find very unbecoming in men.

Hello

I agree. The thing is that in her OP (if I read it correctly), Heart2soul indentifies as a prophet that has been shunned because of the word they have been called to speak to the people, a word that has often been unpleasant and unwelcome but nevertheless is in accordance with the Truth and authorized by Him, and she suffers for this.
I do not wish to offend you with my forthright opinion, so please don't credit me with an offence for my opinionation.
Your rig shows something shining, very feminine and victorous, which may come in the future, but certainly does not depict the here and now.
Rather (IMO) a rig that suits the OP would depict something like a cross between a dirty goatskin prophetess of Israel and a blood stained battle worn knight. Wish I could draw what I see but it is beyond me for now.

I love your response Anguspure, and may I say that you are right. My sister Cassia, do not be so easily offended, this is one of satan's weapons against Love and Fellowship with one another. I am not in the least offended. Women have come a long way, indeed, but we have lost our feminine beauty and pureness along this equal rights program. Too often we tend to rise up in a man's face and "put him in his place" because he was not sensitive enough to see that his words, thoughts or actions were offensive.
Truth is men just speak what is on their mind and knowing they have no ill feelings in their heart they see nothing wrong with being forthright. Women on the other hand are super sensitive and it doesn't take much for a man to offend them. We both have areas to improve on and we will! AMEN!

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Hello

I love your response Anguspure, and may I say that you are right. My sister Cassia, do not be so easily offended, this is one of satan's weapons against Love and Fellowship with one another. I am not in the least offended. Women have come a long way, indeed, but we have lost our feminine beauty and pureness along this equal rights program. Too often we tend to rise up in a man's face and "put him in his place" because he was not sensitive enough to see that his words, thoughts or actions were offensive.
Truth is men just speak what is on their mind and knowing they have no ill feelings in their heart they see nothing wrong with being forthright. Women on the other hand are super sensitive and it doesn't take much for a man to offend them. We both have areas to improve on and we will! AMEN!

I guess I'm just not into mockery concerning God's word or His messengers. Offence to me has nothing to do with it.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I guess I'm just not into mockery concerning God's word or His messengers. Offence to me has nothing to do with it.

I love your candor, and I really enjoy your thirst for seeking out truth. Did you get to a final understanding between gift of prophecy and a prophet? PM me sometime and let's talk. God Bless!

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yeah, that did throw me. On the other hand it kind of worked for me with what you wrote, which if I am frank (perhaps to my shame) may not have been the case (am I alone in this or is it more common?) if you had told me that you were a woman who see's things. It would appear that I have much to learn (in respect).
My Grandmother was often shunned for her sharp but honest tongue and yet I know many cantankerous old men who are given respect.
A hard road you walk my Sister, but you are not alone.

Lol....women in the old testament were not spoken of much as prophets or seers but the 2 that comes to my mind were mighty women of God...Miriam and Deborah (the judge). With Deborah even Generals from the King's army would seek Deborah out for direction through prophecy or visions. God Bless!

 

[lettuce]

But I am not here to prophesy to anyone. I just needed encouragement to get back in the call God has placed on my life.

Doom and gloom prophetic messages and pointing out others sin is not from God. From what you have written, I do not encourage you to prophesy to anyone. God operates out of Covenant, always has and always will and we are in the New Covenant, not the Old. You are in the wrong Covenant.

Here is an example of an Old Covenant prophet, Elijah.

1 Kings 17:17-18, Some time later the son of the woman who owned the house became ill. He grew worse and worse, and finally stopped breathing. She said to Elijah, “What do you have against me, man of God? Did you come to remind me of my sin and kill my son?"

As you can see from the response, she blames her sin for her son's death and this is Old Covenant mentality and OC prophets were sin hunters.

What is New Covenant prophecy?

John 16:14-15, He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

Bringing glory to Jesus, not to you. All has been accomplished in Jesus and the Holy Spirit attests to it.

1 Corinthians 14:3, But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

If what you prophesy does not strengthen, encourage and comfort, it is not from God. Your friends, family and church family ran a mile for good reason and the separation you feel from the Father came from the enemy.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Doom and gloom prophetic messages and pointing out others sin is not from God. From what you have written, I do not encourage you to prophesy to anyone. God operates out of Covenant, always has and always will and we are in the New Covenant, not the Old. You are in the wrong Covenant.

Here is an example of an Old Covenant prophet, Elijah.

1 Kings 17:17-18, Some time later the son of the woman who owned the house became ill. He grew worse and worse, and finally stopped breathing. She said to Elijah, “What do you have against me, man of God? Did you come to remind me of my sin and kill my son?"

As you can see from the response, she blames her sin for her son's death and this is Old Covenant mentality and OC prophets were sin hunters.

What is New Covenant prophecy?

John 16:14-15, He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

Bringing glory to Jesus, not to you. All has been accomplished in Jesus and the Holy Spirit attests to it.

1 Corinthians 14:3, But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

If what you prophesy does not strengthen, encourage and comfort, it is not from God. Your friends, family and church family ran a mile for good reason and the separation you feel from the Father came from the enemy.

Well for one, it was not a prophecy, it was a sincere call from God for a man to repent. It was a Word to admonish a servant of God to turn away from his sin. Doesn't the Bible teach us that if we find that our brother has sinned to go to him in love with 2 or more witnesses and speak to him to repent and turn away? So, therefore a person of faith can point out a brothers sin but a prophet can't? In all love and desire for truth I ask that you pray about this and that God will give you Wisdom in speaking against God's Prophets. The gift of prophecy is to exhort, edify and lift up the body of Christ. A prophet is to instruct and give reproof as God wills. It is a very serious calling and must be handled delicately. So tell me this...God told me to go speak to this man and would not let me know ahead of time what the matter would be. When I arrive, the words that came out was not of my own knowledge but strictly came from the Holy Spirit speaking through me. Now if I was to have your mentality about this, I would disobey my Father and say no, that's not what a prophet does....Jesus was a prophet and he admonished and corrected sinners in the error of their ways...was Jesus wrong? Okay...have a blessed day and PM me and we can discuss more about the difference in prophecy and a Word of Wisdom.

 

[Anguspure]

Do you mean that you wouldn't have shown her any respect of asking for a word if you hadn't thought of her as a male? I find that rather odd especially when referring to prophesy. Honesty isn't becoming to a women but a man can say what he thinks?
This is the type of thing that makes the road hard to walk in. And what I find very unbecoming in men.

I agree that it is a very poor thing.
But I was engaging in some very frank self reflection and realised, to my dissapointment, that there was still something of this in me.

 

[Anguspure]

I have to confess that I did quite well because I had a wonderful husband, when he died, i just couldn't seem to keep it together. I lost it. Big time. I lost the will to live, to minister, to even care whether I pleased God or not. That was worse than any shunning from people i hardly know. It took years to stop grieving, but I have finally let him go. I am ready to take up my shield of faith and put on the whole armor of God and go to battle for the sake of His Kingdom and those who are lost. God Bless...oh by the way....We all look the same when we all bear the same covering of redemption by the blood of Christ.

You are a mighty warrior for Him my sister.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I agree that it is a very poor thing.
But I was engaging in some very frank self reflection and realised, to my dissapointment, that there was still something of this in me.

Thanks for that honesty. Enabling behaviour with 'boys will be boys' is never a good thing for all concerned. Better to encourage each other to be men. It just served to encourage more mocking of what a woman warrior should look like on both of your parts. How do you know what a woman warrior should look like? Face it, if she was the man you thought her to be it would be God you both were mocking. Could well be. And talk about hating on your own body that is the body of Christ, not Christian behaviour no matter for how many thousands of years men have been silencing women with those tactics. The body will never move into the fullness of Christ as long as some are disabling others. Sorry for the rant. Merry Christmas.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I want to thank everyone for their input and personal thoughts about this subject. I did receive a lot of good feedback that really helped encourage me. For those whose post challenged my calling and kept referring and comparing it with the Gift of Prophecy I encourage you to seek God's Wisdom regarding this. I pray that you will be led of the Holy Spirit and know that no man need teach you anything but that the Holy Spirit will teach you and guide you into all truth.
Not much has changed in the many years, there is still those who (lacking understanding) try to persecute me and then there were others who gave me confidence to move back into the calling that God place on my life.

Let me pray this prayer for all....each of us are guilty of seeing our beliefs as the only truth to the subject at hand...there is our perception of truth then there is God's and I will humbly admit that I am no where close to walking in the full extent of God's Hidden Wisdom and in the Power of His Word. That day will come.

Heavenly Father, Bless each and everyone of us who are here to seek truth, to seek Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding of your Word. Help us to be humble and willing to allow the Holy Spirit to expand our knowledge of you and to deliver us from ignorance whether through improper teaching or lack of self discipline to follow your Word line by le, precept upon precept. Let us be mindful to test every spirit to know that it is of you. If there be any fault or hindrance in our lives that prevents us from growing spiritually then Father reveal it to us. Father, I pray that we learn to operate in the fullness of the Body of the Church in unity and in purpose to exalt your Kingdom. Let Psalm 51:10 be a daily prayer in our lives. Father, thank you for your Love and Mercy towards us and bless each and every person in the fullness of your Glory and Riches in Heaven. Most of all thank you for loving us so much that you sent us Your only Begotten Son who willingly gave His Life as an atonement for our sins so that all who call upon Him shall be saved. You are worthy of all Glory, of All Praise, and all Honor. These things I ask and declare to be done In the Name of Jesus. Amen.

I am moving on and will leave this thread open for others to share.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Look at Romans 12:6-8 to see the progression of prophesy in this time of the new testament for the church.

Prophesy in verse 6 is direct revelation from God that speaks for God. It has to be remembered that in Hebrews 1 we're told that in times past God spoke to us thru prophets but in this day He speaks to us thru the Son. In a change from the old priesthood and into the new it has been scripturally pointed out that the old has passed away. Always now prophesy is related to Christ and a deeper revelation of Him for the edification of the body. The mind of Christ for His own. There's many passages that anyone can look up for a word study on gaining the mind of Christ. When breaking that down is something that all believers should have if they have truly laid themselves out as a living sacrifice (death to self) and that's just reasonable service. Prediction also can be included in prophesy. In any case it's light shining in the dark.
The next verse 7 relates to teaching, usually that which is revealed prophetically is taught. Teachers then would teach from conviction of the truth of what has been revealed to their hearts as truth according to the Holy Spirit within and always contained in scripture.
The verse following that 8 is exhortation that is based on both of the above. All 3 are used for building the body up in stature leading to the fullness of Christ. And all of them supply life to the saints because of the straight line to the Father thru His Son for the body.

Wow, Cassia. That was pretty well written.

Merry Christmas to you, my sister.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Wow, Cassia. That was pretty well written.

Merry Christmas to you, my sister.

Merry Christmas bro!!

 

[Sabertooth]

It just served to encourage more mocking of what a woman warrior should look like on both of your parts.

My image was one that I made for my daughter (years ago), not for the OP. I have not seen the Eph. 6 armor portrayed for women anywhere else.

I believe that if a woman is adequately covered and not posing suggestively, there is nothing shameful about a womanly image. And men should take care to not project that shame onto them. (My wife has experienced this from time to time.)

I did three more images in this series for three of my sons. I seem to get less grief for the equivalent male images.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

My image was one that I made for my daughter (years ago), not for the OP. I have not seen the Eph. 6 armor portrayed for women anywhere else.

I believe that if a woman is adequately covered and not posing suggestively, there is nothing shameful about a womanly image. And men should take care to not impose that shame on them. (My wife has experienced this from time to time.)

I did three more images in this series for three of my sons. I seem to get less grief for the equivalent male images.

Yes less talk of bumps and more of room for stuff, of course. You guys would all be better off with the metal armour in the gifts forum anyway. Not that this hasn't been a deeper fellowshipping it's just not the right forum for it. No shame intended, (a little of the guilt perhaps) sorry for any misunderstanding.

 

[Weathering Storms]

I have had many instances of God using me to speak to others, some edifying, some warnings....I really didn't ask for this gift. I wanted to operate in the gifts of healing...but it wasn't meant to be I suppose...the thing most disturbing is my friends, family and church family stopped hanging around me. I had one of them tell me because they didn't want me to know their sin...I explained I don't think it works like that. I was young and really didn't understand the gift myself...I only knew that obedience was the most important thing. Now after years of despise, abuse and rejection I am empty. What did I do wrong? I still see into peoples lives but I don't share anymore. This has caused much grief and anguish and separation of relationship between me and my Father. Please help me understand.

Probably what you did wrong ( likely due to your age) was give the truth with less than great tact. There are ways to tell someone they smell bad without actually saying "You stink," you get me?

I actually love the prophetic gifts. BUT let me say, the "gifts" are actually A GIFT. The Gift of the Holy Spirit. You have every gift, because you have the Gift Giver. When/if you come to a time that God wants someone healed, you think He's gonna say, "Well, crap. I should have given that person healing."

Of course not. He will give you the gifts, as you need them, when you need them, to fulfill His will in your life. You can heal. You can discern. You can have wisdom and knowledge. You can speak in tongues, you can interpret. When God needs you to do these things, He will not only give you the ability, but He will nudge you and say, "Go. Do it."

But read Jeremiah. Isaiah. Any of the prophets. Prophecy is a lonely, thankless job. It takes years, even decades, before people come back and say, "You were right." For Jeremiah, that never happened until he got to Heaven. It is a Godly title. But not a popular one, nor a happy one, 99% of the time.

 

[Weathering Storms]

Hi Dave what is the difference between the office and the gift? Thanks

ETA the Op has supplied it to my page so I'll repost here
The Office of Prophet and the Gift of Prophecy: Art Katz
not sure if that's the one you mentioned.

Imo there are no longer offices of prophets. Sons and daughters will prophesy but not even Peter could maintain a revelation from God without saying something from another spirit 2 min later. There's only One that holds the office of prophesy now and He also holds the office of king and priest. He allows us to give utterance to His word but again not even Paul was infallible in always speaking forth God. Sometimes we can be in the wrong spirit as demonstrated by Peter and the sons of thunder. Infallibility is a condition of the office of prophet

Would you agree with that?

In my opinion, this is not correct. If you do away with one of the four gift offices, you must get rid of all of them. Are you saying there are no more evangelists, or teachers? Of course Peter could maintain a revelation from God. He wasn't a prophet. He was an apostle.
Jesus is our Prophet, Priest and King. But we have kings today. Priests (or pastors), too. No one is infallible. Prophets can hear and misspeak, they can hear and misinterpret, and they can hear, interpret correctly, and others can misunderstand.
But I think you have a slightly skewed understanding of prophecy and prophets. More than foretelling, prophets were FORTH telling. Read any of the prophets. Most of their warnings were "If you do so and so, THEN this will happen. But if you do not do so and so, THAT will happen." And whatever the children of Israel decided, the prophets were right. Prophets were telling of future events, but many times, at that time, they were describing current events. Take Revelation. Almost all the book CAN be interpreted as describing Rome's treatment of Christians. But we in the distant future of that time can see how the book is also prophetic, describing things yet to be.

All prophecy can have many levels of spiritual truth. But it's true on every level. That's why we can never put down the Bible and say, "Oh, I've read that twice, or three times, or 100 times." There are always layers of meaning we haven't even considered yet.

 

[Hidden In Him]

In my opinion, this is not correct. If you do away with one of the four gift offices, you must get rid of all of them. Are you saying there are no more evangelists, or teachers?

@Cassia: Actually Cassia, I don't agree with it either, but I wasn't going to say anything. But what led you to believe the office of prophet has been done away with? It's a calling of God for many people. How could it not be their office?