When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

[sicksince]

When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

The same day the Nephilim return in their UFO craft.

 

[dfw69]

Jesus spoke a great deal about the law, he said Heaven and Earth would pass away before anything drops from the law.

And I believe him ... The old covenant still exist ... I simply follow the new covenant by faith rather than the old covenant

Is these words of Jesus true?

Yes

Is it true what Jesus says?

Yes Jesus is the truth

Jesus said that whoever kept the least of the commandments and taught others to keep it would be the greatest in the kingdom, and he said that whoever does not keep the law and teaches others not to keep it will be the least in the kingdom.

Then why did Jesus say put on his yoke and learn of me .. My burden is east my yoke is light?....To put on Jesus yoke means you have to take off Moses yoke ... Unless you can put on both ... But that's not what the bible says ...., you cannot serve two masters.... You will love one and hate the other...

To be called the least and greatest is done by whom?... Who calls one greatest and least for keeping the commandments?...It seems to me that you think I am least in the kingdom because I follow Christ.... You judge me by what Jesus said ... And in doing so you have fulfill these scriptures ...It is man that judges man ... Man says we are least ... Man judges who is greatest ...

Jesus talks about lawbreakers and workers of iniquity saying,'' depart from me, I never knew you.''

So you think I'm a lawbreaker because I serve not the law... And because of this ...Jesus will say to me I never knew you... But you don't understand that it was Jesus who offered us the new covenant ... Not according to the old law... But new laws written in our hearts... Why offer us a new covenant only to reject us ?... It does not make sense...no...all who believe on him will be saved

You cannot know Jesus unless you know his word, his Sabbbaths, and his ways and traditions.

Well we are always learning... But most importantly ... Jesus know us... Jesus know them that are his....

The most unnerving thing about people who don't want to learn the ways and traditions, and 7 feast days, is to then watch them talk about Revelation which is a wholly Jewish book on Jewish feasts and traditions, and a Torah cycle that puts you on exact days, and shows the Holy days of Christ unfolding.

We do want to learn gods ways...why do you think I'm talking with you rather than ignore you ...

 

[HannibalFlavius]

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[HannibalFlavius]

Dfw69, I do appreciate that you do talk to me, you and Bible, and Ebed are actually my best friends.

Even though I fail in loving you guys like I should, I do love yas.

I greatly appreciate you guys talking to me, and I know it's a hard thing to do, I'm quite irritating to say the least.


When you spend so much time thinking about particular people and you spend time praying about those people, you tend to love them, and I do.

You guys are all I have.



I don't even know if I believe in wrong or right, I think we are just supposed to be here talking about God, and none of us would search for God through scriptures that much if we weren't having these conversations.


The world has changed so much since this interweb came out.



I have been debating theology like everyday for like 15 hours a day since the very beginning, and it's amazing how much knowledge has come about in just the last ten years, and that knowledge comes from people like you.



Just 20 years ago, Christians had no knowledge of the feast days, and most could not even begin to name the 7 days or what takes place on those 7 days.

But now, so many people are learning the secrets of the parables and the secrets found in the feasts and laws concerning the book of Revelation.


I don't particularly know more than 2 people who can read the parables, but I see how close many are coming, because the reading of the parables is wrapped around the feast days.


That parable of Lazarus and the rich man is probably the easiest parable to learn, and I would read it to people if I could, but although it's the easiest, it's impossible to relay to a lot of people.


But by learning the secret language of the rich man and Lazarus, it would lead the person to understanding the harder parables.

The parables are in a design, a language of 3, and what this creature of ours is.


The world is learning so fast that it will not be long before everyone can read the parables.


I look forward to that day.



Me, you, and Bible are in practice right now, and I see us like a team.


Of course the name is,'' Team Hannibal.''

 

[dfw69]

I didn't call you the least in the kingdom sweety, but I would certainly say that I am among the least.

You shouldn't call another man sweetly ... Makes you sound gay.. I prefer dude or homie ..but sweety?... No lol...

You want to choose one or the other, and I swear, I can't figure this out.

There is nothing to figure out bro... Jesus created a new covenant the one prophecies by the prophets...a covenant without the curse of the law of Moses because the law was fulfilled by Jesus... And if you choose his works of the law ... Then you choose him to fulfill the law for you.. And he pleased his father perfectly... In choosing him .. He give you his status he had with god ... And took your status to the cross...

Or you can choose your own works of the law to please god.. Your own works before god and god will choose or reject you... For many are called but few chosen... So if you want to be chosen you better please god in the law..as Jesus pleased god .. Jesus was the example of how to serve the law before god

It's not one or the other at all.

Then you don't believe in the new covenant?

If you could convince somebody to keep all the laws in order to gain salvation, then that man has chosen the law, and he has chosen to be condemned by the law.

That's the problem that Paul kept talking about over and over, I am not telling anyone to keep the law for salvation.

But you are trying to please god based on works...and you are free to do so...

I just chose to keep the faith... That Christ works in the law is better than my own.... That Jesus pleased god for me... I'm no longer a gentile... I am a child of Abraham ... I am a part of Israel .. How? By adoption... And by faith in the seed of Abraham ... Jesus .. He gives me his inheritance by faith in his works of the law for me

But what is it?



Jesus came and did away with the laws of murder, rape, and sin so that we can do these things without consequences?

For Christians we reap what we sow

For sinners ?... The law judges them

We agreed that Jesus did not do away with the law , remember?

And what is it?


Jesus came, and did away with his own entire religion so that we should accept the traditions and ways of any other God, But the God of Israel?

No Jesus is the fulfillment of that religion .. Christians don't serve other gods .. I worship yahuwah the god of Abraham ... And I obey his son yahushuwah

I don't tell people to keep all the laws of the Sabbath and feast days, nor do I keep them myself.

I don't keep the letter of the law, but I wouldn't tell anyone not to.

Neither will I... I will say choose...choose to serve the law for yourself or choose Jesus to fulfill the law for you

But how is the word of God and the ways of God become unrighteous that everyone should reject God's ways, and then invent their own ways or take on the ways of ancient Pagan traditions?

We are under the governments of the world now...But one day Jesus will take us
To heaven and we will be governed by god

As long as we don't keep God's ways, we should find any other traditions so that we for sure don't keep God's traditions and Sabbaths?

Christians did not create these new ways now governing our way of life... Mystery Babylon did.. Rulers in high places

Are the ways and traditions, and Sabbath of God so evil that the Holy days, traditions, and Sabbaths of Babylon are way more righteous to keep?

Gods ways are not evil... But evil men produce deceptions to deceive us...and evil men will one day lead the world to turn back to the laws of Moses and Talmud laws ...

How many times were we warned about Babylon?

You assume Babylon is the RCC ?... But Babylon is something bigger than that ... The true church of Christ is not a part of Babylon

Although we have a whole book describing what happens to people who take on Babylonian Sabbaths and feast days, people still do them.

Well thank god Babylon will come to an end... But we disagree on who Babylon is... You believe Babylon is those who keep false feast... I believe Babylon is a future city built by future deceptions of mystery Babylon ...

Although we are warned so sternly about the falling away from Torah, and the Torahless one to come, lawlessness abounds.

No... We are warn not to fall away from the faith in Christ .. Not the Torah ...

Christians are not without law... To call Christians lawless is a lie.. The lawless one to come is an antichrist... He denies Christ and all he stands for

What people actually say is this,'' I sit in the place of God having all authority to alter or change the word of God as I see fit. And I have all the authority to do away with the ways of God, to make them illegal, and punishable by death.''

Is that what you really believe a christian is?... Wow

That is what people say as they sit in their Temples opposing all that is called of God or that is worshipped.

This is a set up to condemn the church that god loves...and Jesus died for..

Red flags everywhere...it's sad.... That you believe this way

And even after we are so sternly warned of these lawless times, and lawless one to come, the world has become lawless and they celebrate their teaching of iniquity and transgression against the Torah.

You should not judge anyone by the Torah because Jesus said do not judge...because in doing so you condemn yourself...

If you find fault against someone who has broken Torah and have him condemned.. What will happen to you?... Will you not reap what you sow?... Knowing you have broken Torah many times before the eyes of god as well?

 

[dfw69]

Dfw69, I do appreciate that you do talk to me, you and Bible, and Ebed are actually my best friends.

No problem Hannibal .. I see you as my brother and I enjoy our conversations a lot ..keep them coming.. I am learning a lot from you and your beliefs ..though we disagree ... It's interesting how you see things ..

Even though I fail in loving you guys like I should, I do love yas.

Love you too bro..and I appreciate you taking the time the share your views

I greatly appreciate you guys talking to me, and I know it's a hard thing to do, I'm quite irritating to say the least.

I have not found you irritating at all... There have been others on this forum that I could have said they were just plain rude and uncaring

When you spend so much time thinking about particular people and you spend time praying about those people, you tend to love them, and I do.

You guys are all I have.

I'm here for you as best as I can bro

I don't even know if I believe in wrong or right, I think we are just supposed to be here talking about God, and none of us would search for God through scriptures that much if we weren't having these conversations.

Yeah there's nothing better than to share the love of Jesus and be a witness for him

I have been debating theology like everyday for like 15 hours a day since the very beginning, and it's amazing how much knowledge has come about in just the last ten years, and that knowledge comes from people like you.



Just 20 years ago, Christians had no knowledge of the feast days, and most could not even begin to name the 7 days or what takes place on those 7 days.

But now, so many people are learning the secrets of the parables and the secrets found in the feasts and laws concerning the book of Revelation.


I don't particularly know more than 2 people who can read the parables, but I see how close many are coming, because the reading of the parables is wrapped around the feast days.


That parable of Lazarus and the rich man is probably the easiest parable to learn, and I would read it to people if I could, but although it's the easiest, it's impossible to relay to a lot of people.


But by learning the secret language of the rich man and Lazarus, it would lead the person to understanding the harder parables.

The parables are in a design, a language of 3, and what this creature of ours is.


The world is learning so fast that it will not be long before everyone can read the parables.


I look forward to that day.

It takes teachers like you to relate the message and reveal the teachings

Me, you, and Bible are in practice right now, and I see us like a team.


Of course the name is,'' Team Hannibal.''

 

[SG9]

The same day the Nephilim return in their UFO craft.

Wasn't this already said? just funning

 

[HannibalFlavius]

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[Interplanner]

Hannibal,
can you write 1-2 lines interpreting Phil 3? I don't see where you have yet. Maybe it has been missed in too many threads.

 

[sicksince]

What I wait on as a sign of the end, is when Da Vinci paintings are explained.

This truth is no doubt going to happen very soon, the whole world will be shocked an astonished.


As more and more will be found out at the revealing of the Mona Lisa, it will put the world in a grand celebration of actually seeing what Da Vinci really did.

And then people are going to realize that the gospel of the kingdom of heaven is about to be displayed, not only will the Christians realize it, but especially the Jews.

What Da Vinci did was done in the full knowledge that he knew the gospel of the kingdom of heaven, and having known the truth, he knew the truth would be told in the last days as a witness to the world and then the end would come.

He preached the gospel of the kingdom of heaven knowing that nobody would see what he had done until the last days came.


I know what he did, and I know that I am not the only one who knows.

I'm just waiting for it to hit the news.

You've been watching far too much Da Vinci Code.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

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[SG9]

I think that if Da Vinci knew the truth he would not have painted an unveiled woman, let alone the painting. I can't explain why, just a hunch. (?)

 

[dfw69]

Never seen it, But I do know Da Vinci.


I learned the parables through Da Vinci because he knew them, and explained them.

I see Da Vinci as a man indwelled by the spirit of God even though many would talk about his sins.

The Timeline of this genius is right on clue also, because in his days, time began again.

He was a genius, and he knew the secrets of the bible, but knowing the secrets only proves to oneself that those secrets are very hard to relay.


I may sound like I'm a bit loony, but you will remember when you see it in the news.

I don't think your loony ..but would you mind putting on this white jacket for me?...

 

[Bible2]

precepts said in post 594:

How can there be 4 empires/kingdoms from Babylon to Rome and stil be within these 4 kingdoms/empires other kingdoms? If it was so it would have to be 6 beasts, 6 kingdoms. There's only four, four kings, four beasts, four kingdoms.

The 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 aren't the same as the 7 heads in Daniel 7. For the 4 beasts in Daniel 7:3-7 represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), Greece (leopard), and Rome (4th beast). The 4 heads of the Greek Empire (Daniel 7:6) would represent the 4 Diadochian Greek "kingdoms" which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:22). But the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3 represent the empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. So the 4 beasts in Daniel 7 represent the same thing as 4 of the 7 heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3, but the heads in Daniel 7 aren't entirely the same as the heads in Revelation 13:1 and Revelation 17:3. If they were entirely the same, then it would have been said, at the time of John the apostle and the Roman Empire in the first century AD, that "six are fallen" instead of "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10). For in Daniel 7, the first 3 beasts before the Roman Empire had a total of 6 heads, not 5.

precepts said in post 594:

Dan 7:11 is Rev 19:20, the only place anyone is thrown into the lake of fire pre the 1,000 yrs reign.

Daniel 7:11b could refer to the Antichrist, the individual-man aspect of the beast, being cast into the lake of fire at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:20). In Daniel 7, the Antichrist is considered to be part of the 4th beast (Daniel 7:23-25).

precepts said in post 594:

Dan 7:17 specifically says the 4 beast are four kings.

Daniel 7:23 shows that the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are 4 "kingdoms"/empires, which is similar to Revelation 17:10, where the 7 "kings" are 7 empires, represented by the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 17:3. It's the 10 horns of this beast which represent 10 individual human kings, who "have received no kingdom as yet" (Revelation 17:12), and who will receive power as kings only when the Antichrist, the individual-man aspect of the beast, does (Revelation 17:12b).

precepts said in post 594:

. . . the 10 kings in Rev 17:10 has to be among the 11 horns in Dan 7 because they can't recieve their kingdoms after the 8th and 11th horns are thrown into the lake of fire.

Note that they can be two separate sets of 10 horns because Revelation 17:12 shows that its ten horns will receive power as kings only when the Antichrist does. On the other hand, in Daniel 7:24, its 10 kings arise before the Antichrist does, and so they can be 10 major nations which currently exist, just as in Daniel 7:17, the 4 kings are 4 empires (cf. Daniel 7:23) which existed in the past.

 

[Bible2]

HannibalFlavius said in post 595:

There you go again Bibe, Trying to prove to me that the Jews should not follow the Torah, and who do you get this crazy idea from?

From a man who walked accordingly keeping all the law, all his life.

Are you thinking of Acts 21:20-25? If so, note that Paul didn't object to the charges in Acts 21:21, because they were true (Romans 7:6, Galatians 2:11-21, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17). And he didn't object to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, because of the principle in 1 Corinthians 9:20, and because the practices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in themselves are still holy, for the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself is still holy (Romans 7:12). So Paul wasn't sinning by participating in them. Also, Acts 21:24b doesn't require that the charges in Acts 21:21 were false. All Acts 21:24b means is that if Paul agreed to the request in Acts 21:23-24a, the charges in Acts 21:21 might be negated in the minds of Jews who (mistakenly) thought that Jews still had to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law.

2 Corinthians 3:6-18 shows that all believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, should stop trying to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For Paul begins the passage by saying that God has made "us" ministers "not of the letter" (2 Corinthians 3:6). By saying "us", Paul is including Jewish believers, for Paul is a Jew (Acts 22:3). And by saying "ministers" (Greek: "diakonos", G1249), Paul means "servants" (cf. Romans 16:1), so that in 2 Corinthians 3:6, Paul is saying the same thing as in Romans 7:6, where he says that "we" (i.e. including Jewish believers) have been "delivered" from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, so that "we" should serve "not in the oldness of the letter". Paul continues on in 2 Corinthians 3:6-18 to show that all believers, whether Jews or Gentiles, should stop trying to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, "for the letter killeth" (2 Corinthians 3:6).

HannibalFlavius said in post 595:

Jesus tells us plainly that Elijah will come and restore all things.

That's right.

Matthew 17:10-13 can be understood as referring to two different comings of Elijah, the first being John the Baptist's coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17, Matthew 17:12-13), and the 2nd being a still-future physical coming-back of Elijah himself, when he will restore all things (Matthew 17:11), in the sense of restoring all true doctrine, i.e. all true interpretation of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16), to the church. This still-future, physical coming-back of Elijah himself could occur at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, when Elijah could come back bodily from heaven as one of the two witnesses (Revelation 11:3-12).

That is, in Revelation 11:3-12 the two witnesses could be literally Moses and Elijah. For the two men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Revelation 11:4) at the transfiguration were Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3). And in Revelation 11:4. the "two olive trees" refer back to the two men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah (Zechariah 4:11,14), which was subsequent to the times of Moses and Elijah.

Moses and Elijah could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as they came down at the transfiguration. Also, the plagues that the two witnesses will cause (Revelation 11:6,5) will match plagues that Moses and Elijah caused in Old Testament times (James 5:17, Exodus 7:20; 2 Kings 1:10-14). Elijah never died, but was taken bodily into heaven (2 Kings 2:11b). And Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from Satan (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken Moses' body into heaven, where it could have been resuscitated back to mortal life, like, for example, Lazarus' dead body was resuscitated back to mortal life (John 12:1). This would explain how both Moses and Elijah could appear alive and well at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).

The two witnesses will prophesy and bring plagues on the world during the future, literal 3.5 years (Revelation 11:2b,3,6) of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 12:6,14), which will be in the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. That's why the Antichrist's reign will legally end (Revelation 11:15) right after the time of the two witnesses on the earth will end (Revelation 11:12-15). The plagues that they will bring (Revelation 11:6) will be part of the tribulation's 2nd woe/6th trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13). They will be taken up to heaven before the tribulation's 7th trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:12,15).

They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8). For the original Greek word (martus, G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people and bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason that there will be two witnesses (Revelation 11:3) who will bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Revelation 11:6,10b) would be because two witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Timothy 5:19). At the same time, the two "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Revelation 11:7-9). For the same Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Revelation 17:6).

 

[Bible2]

HannibalFlavius said in post 596:

Bible, what is the job of antichrist?

To draw the world into the worship of a false Christ, as well as honoring a separate, false Jesus.

For during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18), even though the world will worship Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), this won't require that the Antichrist's one-world religion will say that Jesus is evil, or will turn the world against Jesus. For almost the entire world reveres Jesus, at least as being a good man. The Antichrist could confirm this basic world belief, but simply (in his words) "clarify" that while Jesus is indeed a good man, Jesus himself isn't the Christ or the Son of God (1 John 2:22). No doubt the Antichrist will also deny that Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, as this, just as believing that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36), is one of the core beliefs of the gospel by which people become saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

So what the Antichrist could do is keep the idea of a good Jesus, but strip it of everything by which Jesus saves people from hell. And this wouldn't require that the Antichrist deny Jesus' 2nd coming. Indeed, the Antichrist and his False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) could even try to employ to their own ends the Biblical prophecy of Jesus' 2nd coming, as well as the Muslim prophecy which says that the miracle-working prophet Jesus will return bodily from heaven in the last days to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. For the False Prophet could claim that he is Jesus, returned to bring the whole earth into the worship of the true God. And he could perform amazing miracles (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof of his claim (cf. John 3:2). This is one reason why it's so important to know when and how the real Jesus' 2nd coming will happen (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Once the False Prophet by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Revelation 13:13-18, Revelation 19:20), including many Muslims and Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma, but could go wild over his signs and wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 John 4:3, Revelation 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, and which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The False Prophet could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Revelation 13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist are the true God (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9), in an inversion of how back in Old Testament times, Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kings 18:37-39).

The person whom the Antichrist will revile is YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), whom many people mistakenly think of as being (in their words) "the God of only the Old Testament, that cruel and hateful God who commanded people to commit genocide and kill babies (1 Samuel 15:3), while Jesus came and preached love for everyone (Matthew 5:44)". The truth is that Jesus confirmed that the God of the Old Testament, YHWH (Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18), is the same as the God of the New Testament (Mark 12:29-31), and that the Old Testament is true (Matthew 5:17-18, Luke 24:44-48). Jesus died for our sins in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (Isaiah 53; 1 Peter 2:24). And he rose from the dead in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy from YHWH (e.g. Psalms 16:10, Acts 2:31). Jesus died to establish the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), which YHWH had foretold in the Old Testament (Jeremiah 31:31-34). And Jesus died to bring about the defeat of Satan (Hebrews 2:14), which YHWH had foretold from even the first book of the Old Testament (Genesis 3:15).

Nonetheless, building on many people's misconceptions of YHWH as being (in their words) "the cruel God of the Old Testament", no doubt one of the Antichrist's chief blasphemies against YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36) will be that YHWH is an evil god. This is one of the ancient blasphemies of Gnosticism, another being the antichrist lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). The world will be deceived into completely rejecting YHWH and worshipping Satan and the Antichrist instead (Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 12:9). Satan may be worshipped not as "Satan", which most everyone sees as a bad name (it means "Adversary"), but as "Lucifer" (Isaiah 14:12), which means "the morning star". The Antichrist could lie and say that it's YHWH who is the true "Satan", the true "Adversary" of mankind.

Because the Antichrist and his False Prophet (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and because they will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), they could lie and say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Revelation 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Revelation 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (John 3:14), and Lucifer is the serpent (Revelation 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (John 10:34), and it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

The truth is that Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isaiah 14:12) and became Satan (cf. Luke 10:18). Jesus Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Revelation 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself with only the brass serpent on the pole in Numbers 21:8-9 (John 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (John 19:16, Matthew 26:28). And in John 10:34, Jesus Christ (John 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Psalms 82:6-7, which shows that even though humans have knowledge of good and evil as gods do (Genesis 3:22), they will still die like humans (Psalms 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Genesis 3:4). Nonetheless, the Antichrist could falsely say that Lucifer is the Christ and the true and beneficent God of mankind, and that the False Prophet is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (cf. John 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The Antichrist could falsely say that he (the Antichrist) is the human/divine "Son" of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Revelation 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians now rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (John 1:1,14) as God (the Son) along with God the Father (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).

Near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together at Armageddon (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) (Revelation 16:16) in an attempt to fight and defeat YHWH himself (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). After gathering together at Armageddon, the armies will travel south and pillage Jerusalem, right before the real Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30) returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:20 to 20:3).

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HannibalFlavius said in post 600:

Jesus spoke a great deal about the law, he said Heaven and Earth would pass away before anything drops from the law.

Matthew 5:18 doesn't mean that heaven and earth have to pass away before the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments can be abolished, but that Jesus had to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Christ's first coming (Luke 24:44-46; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53), before he could abolish the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

HannibalFlavius said in post 600:

Jesus said that whoever kept the least of the commandments and taught others to keep it would be the greatest in the kingdom, and he said that whoever does not keep the law and teaches others not to keep it will be the least in the kingdom.

Matthew 5:19-20 refers to the New Covenant/New Testament commandments/sayings (Matthew 5:19, Matthew 7:24-29) which Jesus, as the Christ (Matthew 5:17b, Luke 24:44-46), was just about to give in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29), and which New Covenant commandments "exceed in righteousness" (Matthew 5:20 to 7:29) the (now) abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19).

HannibalFlavius said in post 600:

Jesus talks about lawbreakers and workers of iniquity saying,'' depart from me, I never knew you.''

Matthew 7:21-23 shows that both faith and actual obedience to God are required for believers to enter ultimate salvation (Romans 2:6-8, Hebrews 5:9, James 2:24). But there's no assurance that they will choose to obey (Matthew 25:26,30, Luke 12:45-46).

Matthew 7:23a could be hyperbole (like Matthew 23:24b is hyperbole). For Matthew 7:22 could refer to saved people, believers in the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 20:31), who had repented from their sins (1 John 3:6), and had truly performed many wonderful works for Jesus to the end (John 15:4-5). But at some point subsequent to their initial repentance, they had fallen back into some unrepentant sin (Matthew 7:23b; 2 Peter 2:20-22), so that they had to be completely rejected by Jesus in the end despite their continued faith and good works (1 Corinthians 9:27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Hebrews 10:26-29).

Regarding the ability to cast out demons (Matthew 7:22), that's one of the signs that people are saved, that they're believers in the gospel (Mark 16:17).

HannibalFlavius said in post 600:

You cannot know Jesus unless you know his word, his Sabbbaths, and his ways and traditions.

Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, don't have to keep the sabbath of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For even the letter of the 10 commandments, written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13), was part of the abolished Old Covenant Mosaic law's ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:6-7, Number 15:32-36), which has been replaced by the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) ministration of the spirit (2 Corinthians 3:6-18), in which believers are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, and keep the spirit (Romans 7:6) of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments by loving others (Romans 13:8-10).

Saying that believers have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath is just as wrong as, for example, saying that believers have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law circumcision (Acts 15:1-11). If believers keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath thinking that they have to, they're as fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4) as believers who keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law circumcision thinking that they have to (Galatians 5:2). They have become debtors to perform the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 5:3). They have placed themselves under its curse (Galatians 3:10).

So no believer should ever desire to go back into bondage under the letter of any part of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8). Believers need to keep the sabbath only in spirit, not in the letter (Romans 7:6). Believers must never judge other believers for not keeping the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath (Colossians 2:16), which letter was abolished on the New Covenant Cross of Jesus, along with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Colossians 2:14-17, Ephesians 2:15-16, Romans 7:6, Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 10:9b, Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

For its letter was merely a shadow; now it all comes down to Jesus himself (Colossians 2:17). Jesus' New Covenant sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28-30), which all believers enter by faith (Hebrews 4:3-4), exceeds in righteousness (cf. Matthew 5:20) the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath. For under the New Covenant sabbath, Christians must cease from their own works every day of the week (Hebrews 4:3,10, Luke 9:23). And they can esteem every day of the week (Romans 14:5).

 

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