When were the angels first created?

[trophy33]

Well it doesn't state that it was created on Sept 4,000 B.C. but just looking at the plain normal reading of the text shows that the heavens and the earth were created on the first day and man on teh final or sixth day of teh creation week. Taking the genealogies in the bible we get approx. 6,000 years. The only time frame we cannot know is the gap between the creation of Adam and Eve and their fall. It could have been days, years or even centuries! We just know how long Adam live from the time Cain was born!

1. Genealogies are not complete.
2. Days in Genesis are not literal, therefore humans appeared much later after the planet.

 

[nolidad]

1. Genealogies are not complete.
2. Days in Genesis are not literal, therefore humans appeared much later after the planet.

Well some say they are not complete- but there is no real hard evidence for that- just circumstantial.

Yes the six days of Genesis are literal days. God made it very very plain He intended them to be literal solar days!

v5: . And the evening and the morning were the first day.

v8: And the evening and the morning were the second day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You need to show by some very compelling linguistics why these very very specific and detailed descriptions of the creation time frame is not exactly as written- an evening and a morning a certain day!

 

[RDKirk]

Well some say they are not complete- but there is no real hard evidence for that- just circumstantial.

Yes the six days of Genesis are literal days. God made it very very plain He intended them to be literal solar days!

v5: . And the evening and the morning were the first day.

v8: And the evening and the morning were the second day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You need to show by some very compelling linguistics why these very very specific and detailed descriptions of the creation time frame is not exactly as written- an evening and a morning a certain day!

Evening and morning are not a day. That's a night.

 

[trophy33]

Well some say they are not complete- but there is no real hard evidence for that- just circumstantial.

Yes the six days of Genesis are literal days. God made it very very plain He intended them to be literal solar days!

v5: . And the evening and the morning were the first day.

v8: And the evening and the morning were the second day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You need to show by some very compelling linguistics why these very very specific and detailed descriptions of the creation time frame is not exactly as written- an evening and a morning a certain day!

Genesis days clearly are not literal, but symbolic.

1. Did God create everything in 6 days or in 1 day? (Gen 2:4)
2. Universe, the planet and covering waters were created before the first day.
3. In Gen 1, man was created after animals, in Gen 2, man was created before animals. Literal days order does not seem to work, there.
4. In Gen 1, man and woman were created at once. In Gen 2, Adam had to search between animals and got lonely (hard to believe it happened in 24 hours)
5. How could satan be created, got proud and fall in few literal days?
6. How could Adam get lonely in one day? How could he name all animals in one day?

Literal days clearly do not make sense.

 

[nolidad]

Evening and morning are not a day. That's a night.

Now learn Jewish language--it is a day!

 

[nolidad]

Genesis days clearly are not literal, but symbolic.

1. Did God create everything in 6 days or in 1 day? (Gen 2:4)
2. Universe, the planet and covering waters were created before the first day.
3. In Gen 1, man was created after animals, in Gen 2, man was created before animals. Literal days order does not seem to work, there.
4. In Gen 1, man and woman were created at once. In Gen 2, Adam had to search between animals and got lonely (hard to believe it happened in 24 hours)
5. How could satan be created, got proud and fall in few literal days?
6. How could Adam get lonely in one day? How could he name all animals in one day?

Literal days clearly do not make sense.

1. the heavens and the earth were created on day 1 and the darkness and light were sperated on day one! You need to show compelling evidence that verse 1 is outside of the six days. Chapter 2 says that the heavens and the earth were created in the day Lord made them. Just like Genesis 1.

2. Once again there is nothing in the language of the verse to suggest there was a massive time gap between verse 1 and verse 3

3. Chapter 2 is a narrative and additional knowledge. the animals were created, then Adam. Adam was placed in the garden and then God formed every animal He created, paraded them by Adam and Adam got to name them. Language is different! And these animals were formed in teh garden of eden- not on the whole earth. Those animals were already there and flourishingt!

4. Remember Moses was the editor of Genesis. Chapter 2 shows how God man mankind male and female! If we were left with just chapter one then yes it would appear that both sexes were formed at teh same time, but chapter 2 gives us details of how God did wqhat he did in chapter 1 for man and woman.

5. We do not know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden. It could have been centuries for all we know. But there was enough time for Satan to be the anointed Cherub (4th highest being in the universe) and desire to overthrow God!

6. Why do you think it was a day! Adam was formed outside of the garden of Eden-God formed the garden-put Adam in it to tend it- name the animals and get that sense of incompleteness. It takes time for all that. Just because Scripture throws out these facts in rapid fire does not mean it all happened in a very short time frame. From the fall to the flood was 1400 years and yet it only takes 3 chapters to get there!

BTW: The term day can also mean an undefined time period, era or reign of someone (even if how long they reigned is known) Context determines which. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, it behooves us to at least use blue letter bible online or buy a concordance and word study.

I personally for the OT love the 12 volume OT commentary by Kiel and Delitzsch, two of the most renowned scholars of Hebrew! It was written many decades ago but the linguistics are without refute!

 

[Sabertooth]

The only time frame we cannot know is the gap between the creation of Adam and Eve and their fall.

It was likely before her first ovulation (which produced Cain).

There is also an unspecified gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:3. Some have even created a whole "gap theology" there, but on straightforward reading, it was biologically inhospitable.

 

[Danielwright2311]

Genesis and the book of Enoch say that angels where before the earth and humans.

 

[PaulCyp1]

Unknown, since it has not been revealed.

 

[miamited]

Some think it goes back to Genesis when God created the heavens and the earth, others say the angels witnessed the creation of the universe. If they were made before time, I suppose we can't measure it?

Hi romans,

We don't know when the angelic realm was created. We do know that it was created, but the Scriptures don't give us any indication of when. We do know that the angelic realm existed before the first day of God's creating the realm in which we live.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[trophy33]

1. the heavens and the earth were created on day 1 and the darkness and light were sperated on day one! You need to show compelling evidence that verse 1 is outside of the six days. Chapter 2 says that the heavens and the earth were created in the day Lord made them. Just like Genesis 1.

2. Once again there is nothing in the language of the verse to suggest there was a massive time gap between verse 1 and verse 3

3. Chapter 2 is a narrative and additional knowledge. the animals were created, then Adam. Adam was placed in the garden and then God formed every animal He created, paraded them by Adam and Adam got to name them. Language is different! And these animals were formed in teh garden of eden- not on the whole earth. Those animals were already there and flourishingt!

4. Remember Moses was the editor of Genesis. Chapter 2 shows how God man mankind male and female! If we were left with just chapter one then yes it would appear that both sexes were formed at teh same time, but chapter 2 gives us details of how God did wqhat he did in chapter 1 for man and woman.

5. We do not know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden. It could have been centuries for all we know. But there was enough time for Satan to be the anointed Cherub (4th highest being in the universe) and desire to overthrow God!

6. Why do you think it was a day! Adam was formed outside of the garden of Eden-God formed the garden-put Adam in it to tend it- name the animals and get that sense of incompleteness. It takes time for all that. Just because Scripture throws out these facts in rapid fire does not mean it all happened in a very short time frame. From the fall to the flood was 1400 years and yet it only takes 3 chapters to get there!

BTW: The term day can also mean an undefined time period, era or reign of someone (even if how long they reigned is known) Context determines which. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, it behooves us to at least use blue letter bible online or buy a concordance and word study.

I personally for the OT love the 12 volume OT commentary by Kiel and Delitzsch, two of the most renowned scholars of Hebrew! It was written many decades ago but the linguistics are without refute!

When were waters created?

Remember Moses was the editor of Genesis.

Says who?

 

[nolidad]

It was likely before her first ovulation (which produced Cain).

There is also an unspecified gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:3. Some have even created a whole "gap theology" there, but on straightforward reading, it was biologically inhospitable.

Yes the gap theory has been created by an alternate reading of Genesis 1-3

Some have evolution taking place and others have the gap for the angelic rebellion- more aptly called "the ruin-restoration theory."

While is a strric grammatic sense it is a possible correct translation, when compared withteh rest of Scriptures that deal with or comment on creation, the only correct translation of tohuwa bohu is :the earth was "empty and shapeless: on Day one and then God made it shaped and formed in the next 5 days!

Buit there is no gap between verses 1-3 there simply is no biblical warrant for it.

 

[nolidad]

When were waters created?


Says who?

Waters? Day one>

Moses as editor:

IN genesis 11 times we see: "these are the generations of..." this is a common method in ancient times that describes an author writing down an account. As for the creation "generation" It was spoken by God and written down by Adam.

Moses carried "books" with him on their journey in the desert. They were probably the toledeths of ancinet history.

 

[Gottservant]

I would say angels were created, slightly after the creation of the universe.

The Bible says "the Devil even became an angel of light", light being the first thing God created.

The question you might want to ask is: how long after being created did the Devil fall...?

 

[RDKirk]

Now learn Jewish language--it is a day!

Sundown to sundown is a Jewish day.

 

[Sabertooth]

:the earth was "empty and shapeless:

That is why I propose that it was "pre-hospitible;" that is, it did not support biological life.

 

[trophy33]

Waters? Day one>

Moses as editor:

IN genesis 11 times we see: "these are the generations of..." this is a common method in ancient times that describes an author writing down an account. As for the creation "generation" It was spoken by God and written down by Adam.

Moses carried "books" with him on their journey in the desert. They were probably the toledeths of ancinet history.

When you read the text carefully, the first thing that God created in Genesis, was light. Darkness, abyss, waters were present before it. The "creation week" starts its "days" with this creation of light.

You have many extrabiblical beliefs you are putting back to the Bible, you know...
Everybody does that, but you are using it as authoritative and "standard", which is dangerous.

 

[Sabertooth]

When you read the text carefully, the first thing that God created in Genesis, was light. Darkness, abyss, waters were present before it. The "creation week" starts its "days" with this creation of light.

The "waters" were present (albeit, in a different form) before He created Light.

"...And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light..." Genesis 1:2-3 NKJV

 

[nolidad]

When you read the text carefully, the first thing that God created in Genesis, was light. Darkness, abyss, waters were present before it. The "creation week" starts its "days" with this creation of light.

You have many extrabiblical beliefs you are putting back to the Bible, you know...
Everybody does that, but you are using it as authoritative and "standard", which is dangerous.

Genesis 1:1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
beginning:
רֵאשִׁית
Transliteration
re'shiyth
Pronunciation
rā·shēth' רֹאשׁ (H7218)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: beginning (18x), firstfruits (11x), first (9x), chief (8x), miscellaneous (5x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. first, beginning, best, chief
   
   1. beginning
      
      
   2. first

The bible says you are wrong!

Well I accept the study in Hebrew of Kiel and Delitzsch who were and still remain amongst the most renowned Hebrew scholars.

So unless you can show linguistically why the 1st 5 versesd are not the first day-- I am all ears. But making accusations without defending them is a cheap side show.

Also:
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So I do not rely on just one verse, but in other inspired places. See God made the heaven, earth, sea and ALL that are in them---IN SIX DAYS!

that includes the heavens, the earth, the waters, and yes the angels!!!!

 

[nolidad]

That is why I propose that it was "pre-hospitible;" that is, it did not support biological life.

Absolutely!