When was Revelation written, by whom, and to whom does it apply?

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Good picture and thanks. The outer court would make a good study.

The Court in Revelation 11:2

The same greek word for "court" is used in Matt 26:3 concerning the Chief Priests, where Jesus was taken. Interesting

Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the Chief-priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the Court/Fold of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas

Most bible versions render "leave out" in 11:2, but the greek word used is the exact same form of the word used in Galatians 4:30 concerning Hagar and her son "being cast out", [much like Adam being cast out of the garden in Gene 3:24]

Galatians 4:30
but what saith the Writing? 'be Casting Out!/ek-bale <1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her....[Genesis 21:10]
Revelation 11:2
and the Court/fold outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!/ek-bale <1544> (5628) out-side/exw <1854>,
and no it thou should be measuring, [Matt 26:3/Gala 4:30]

1544. ek-ballo ek-bal'-lo from 1537 and 906; to eject (literally or figuratively):--bring forth, cast (forth, out)

The Complete Jewish Bible
Revelation 11:2
2 But the court outside the Temple, leave that out; don't measure it; because it has been given to the Goyim, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months.

New International Version
Revelation 11:2
2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

The court representing the earth has the earthly Jerusalem being given over to be trampled by Antichrist and the Gentiles.

The holy city here is the earthly Jerusalem Isaiah 52:1; Matthew 27:53

The temple and the Holy City are seen as the same in this here verse.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

There is a group of biblical scholars over there who feel the dome is the wrong location all together. The bed rock under it is the wrong type of rock for one thing and the proper spring that needs to flow is in another location they say. They have studied it out and measured etc and are convinced but can't convince officials as yet.. Construction could start more or less right away otherwise. Again, according to them.

That's interesting ... I'm sure David's men have all the pieces for Solomon to put in place (no sarcasm intended )

 

[Kelly McArthur]

3rd century by a John that no one was familiar with.

 

[Root of Jesse]

3rd century by a John that no one was familiar with.

This one is definitely wrong.

 

[JohannineScholar]

This also proves that context means a lot...

I believe that Revelation was written in the 60s during the reign of Nero. ...

In light of when I believe (with scholarly backup), Revelation was written to those who were going to experience the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.

I agree, but the Syriac version seems an inadequate basis for this. How do you interpret Irenaeus' statement, which seems (pardon the pun) supportive of the Domitianic dating? What scholarly support are you referring to?

I have left out the issue of who wrote Revelation (I believe John the Apostle wrote it) so as to make this first post short, but is part of this topic.

As I understand the historical evidence, John the Apostle was already martyred before Revelation was written.

 

[JohannineScholar]

The Eastern Orthodox Churches teach that it is only there for it's visual witness to heavenly worship.
It has no liturgical value. It is not included in our prayers services.

Forgive me...

I find this difficult to believe. You seem to be devaluing Revelation. Do you have evidence that this is the EO attitude to the book?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I find this difficult to believe. You seem to be devaluing Revelation. Do you have evidence that this is the EO attitude to the book?

It’s not devalued. It just came in too late to be included in the liturgical cycle. So... in services, it never got used.

Forgive me...

 

[JohannineScholar]

It’s not devalued. It just came in too late to be included in the liturgical cycle. So... in services, it never got used.

Forgive me...

Okay, it's because you said it's only there for its witness to heavenly worship. That made me think that you don't consider it a book of prophecy. Do you believe it is as inspired and canonical as Romans?

 

[Radagast]

You see, it is possible for a Roman Catholic and a Calvinist to agree.

Even more so if the Catholic is a Thomist.

 

[Radagast]

Clement tells us that it was written while John was on the island of Patmos where he had been exiled by a tyrant. While Domitian was a tyrant, it is improbable that he's the tyrant mentioned here, because his persecutions were mostly local to Rome.

It is probable, actually, because Domitian did exile many people to Patmos and other nearby islands. Nerva then recalled these exiles in 96 AD.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Okay, it's because you said it's only there for its witness to heavenly worship. That made me think that you don't consider it a book of prophecy. Do you believe it is as inspired and canonical as Romans?

Of course. Councils decided this long ago.

Forgive me...

 

[JohannineScholar]

Domitian did exile many people to Patmos and other nearby islands.

He may or may not have sent exiles to Patmos, but there is no direct evidence of it outside the Johannine traditions (which may have originally associated John's exile with Nero), though he did send exiles to islands in that area, according to Philostratus.