When two worldviews collide.

[Paidiske]

Can you define boys and girls?

In this instance, I mean children who are biologically male and female, respectively. But you know, even if I were to allow for a bit of flexibility in definition to accommodate trans kids, it wouldn't significantly change those literacy statistics.

 

[Bradskii]

Can you define boys and girls?

Oh please. Please don't. When on earth is this going to stop what people think is some sort of gotcha.

Hey, I know...I can give some examples. You present as a male. You know, beard on the avatar. So you're a guy until you tell me differently. My wife is female. I'm pretty certain about that because she tells me so some times (and she has had two children). So treat her as such if you'd be so kind. I'm a guy. Same as you. Born male. All the requisite equipment in full working order. And you may address me as he or him. One of my relatives is male. Beard again, considers himself male, we'll skip the equipment but you wouldn'tbe able to tell. So he is male. Refer to him as such please.

Are we good? Or are you still unclear and you want me to clarify what anyone else is?

 

[Bradskii]

Oh good grief I think you are deliberately trying not to understand. I've said yes of your over 18 and I've said if you do choose that then you also choose the consequences that go along with it. Period.

So you are happy for an 18 year old male to transition. That's crystal clear. And I've used 18 as an arbitrary age which most people would consider to be adult. Although most people wouldn't realise that our brains aren't fully developed until close to 30. More so in males than females. And here's a view (and it's very common) that there's a 2 year difference between the sexes at around 18. So a 16 year old girl is as mature as that 18 year old. The Truth Behind Women's Brains

And let's face it, there is a very wide gap in individuals. Anyone who has had kids and grandkids know that for a fact. I'd say with my kids my daughter was at least three years ahead of my son at that age and probably more so than I was when I was around 17.

In any case, it has been explained to you CONSTANTLY that decisions being made that have long term impacts must be considered on an individual basis. So it's literally impossible to have an arbitrary age cast in stone and say Beyond This You Shall Not Pass. It's simply not an option. It has to be done with the person in question. And for an 18 year old boy, it may be too soon. And for a 16 year old girl, or younger, it might be perfectly acceptable.

Acceptable to you? No, of course not. You think it's not needed, period. But again, as I keep saying, the decision ain't yours.

 

[Bradskii]

All I can say is Christ also said many come in my name claiming they represent me but they don't.

One of the very few things you have said with which I agree.

 

[stevevw]

How many times have I said that it's not what you say. But how it is said. Say that you are concerned for someone's eternal soul and I'll be impressed with your compassion. Tell a mother that her son deserves to die and he's an abomination because hey, you are just quoting the bible...and I will be suitably unimpressed.

So please cut out the nonsense about what is actually said and feeble comparisons to secular law.

But I don't say anything like that. If a young person has trauma or mental health issues the best thing to do is referred them to professionals. In fact its against the law in a work capacity to push a belief on a person as a remedy for their issues. I wouldn't do it in private either as th same principle applies. That goes for Christian belief, Trans ideology or any belief that has no evdience.

The problem I see is that right now there is false evangelising going on with these ideologies which do the same thing. They condemn people and want to actually destroy them in this world. Perhaps we should be concerned about that as well.

 

[trophy33]

In this instance, I mean children who are biologically male and female, respectively. But you know, even if I were to allow for a bit of flexibility in definition to accommodate trans kids, it wouldn't significantly change those literacy statistics.

And you are talking about Australia? Or countries like Afghanistan? Regarding reading.

 

[trophy33]

Oh please. Please don't. When on earth is this going to stop what people think is some sort of gotcha.

Hey, I know...I can give some examples. You present as a male. You know, beard on the avatar. So you're a guy until you tell me differently. My wife is female. I'm pretty certain about that because she tells me so some times (and she has had two children). So treat her as such if you'd be so kind. I'm a guy. Same as you. Born male. All the requisite equipment in full working order. And you may address me as he or him. One of my relatives is male. Beard again, considers himself male, we'll skip the equipment but you wouldn'tbe able to tell. So he is male. Refer to him as such please.

Are we good? Or are you still unclear and you want me to clarify what anyone else is?

Please, do not be hysterical.

Is beard a male thing?

 

[Paidiske]

And you are talking about Australia? Or countries like Afghanistan? Regarding reading.

I'm talking about the global literacy gap.

 

[trophy33]

I'm talking about the global literacy gap.

Why global? There is certainly a difference between Norway and Zimbabwe or between Swiss and Afghanistan.

 

[Paidiske]

Why global?

Why not? This problem is not confined to one country or culture.

 

[trophy33]

Why not? This problem is not confined to one country or culture.

It is. Again, Norway, Swiss vs Afghanistan.

 

[Paidiske]

It is. Again, Norway, Swiss vs Afghanistan.

Afghanistan isn't the only place girls miss out. Nor does Islam dominate every country with a significant literacy gap, in case you were looking to make it a religious issue.

 

[trophy33]

Afghanistan isn't the only place girls miss out. Nor does Islam dominate every country with a significant literacy gap, in case you were looking to make it a religious issue.

It is not a global issue. Its an issue in specific areas. Thats my point.

And the question arises, if its a real issue for the people in those areas (I guess they have worse worries) or mainly for some people outside who try to impose their "better culture" on them. This can hardly be globally generalized.

 

[stevevw]

One of the very few things you have said with which I agree.

Oh come on you agree with more than that

 

[Bradskii]

Please, do not be hysterical.

Is beard a male thing?

What a dopey question. You picked that avatar to let it be known you are male. It actually signifies people's idea of masculinity. Unless... you had another reason?

Maybe you are female. Be free to let us know and we'll respond accordingly.

 

[Bradskii]

Oh come on you agree with more than that

Actually, no.

 

[trophy33]

What a dopey question. You picked that avatar to let it be known you are male. It actually signifies people's idea of masculinity. Unless... you had another reason?

Maybe you are female. Be free to let us know and we'll respond accordingly.

Is this a picture of a woman or a man? According to your Australian world view.

 

[stevevw]

Actually, no.

Oh well I thought I'd try.

 

[Bradskii]

Why global? There is certainly a difference between Norway and Zimbabwe or between Swiss and Afghanistan.

Why global? And then you list 4 completely different countries where the difference is all too obvious? Was that meant to be an argument? It's clarification of what was explained to you. You have just argued FOR what you thought you were arguing AGAINST.

 

[trophy33]

Why global? And then you list 4 completely different countries where the difference is all too obvious? Was that meant to be an argument? It's clarification of what was explained to you. You have just argued FOR what you thought you were arguing AGAINST.

You guessed wrong. I argued that the issue is not global, but in specific areas and with specific causes and sometimes it not even an issue for those societies.

Do you think that your Australian culture is superior to cultures where men have different roles than women? Or where reading is not a useful skill?