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When Someone Refuses to Learn About God, What Do You Do?

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Jed Man, May 23, 2016.

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  1. Jed Man

    Jed Man Christian Critic

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    I was on a forum having a long discussion about God and the Bible. It was fine until the Holocaust was brought up. I mentioned how God would lift his protection on people if they rejected his ways, theorizing that that's why the Holocaust happened. God lifted his protection, and the devil stepped in to terrorize them as he's done in the past, hence Exodus and Judges. But then this man I spoke with stated that turning away from dead people made God as bad as Hitler.

    Angrily, I brought up the book of Revalations and how this guy clearly never read it, and somehow thinks he can judge God when he doesn't know anything about him. Obviously, he was looking for bad points about God instead of trying to learn about it, so I left. But he'll obviously reply, so I don't want to go back. But a part of me keeps wondering.

    How do you try to forget about it? He doesn't want knowledge. What do you do in a time like this?
     
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  2. bhsmte

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    Maybe you were not very convincing.
     
  3. Jed Man

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    Maybe. But I think attempting to insult God pretty much states that he didn't want to learn. I brought in some pretty good answers, and the discussion lasted ever since yesterday. I even brought up how God lifting his protection and bringing it back once people cried out to him was a very common theme in the Bible.

    Still, I don't want to go back to discussing it with him because I would probably say something awful and get myself banned if I had to see another insult to God like that. I'm not a patient guy, considering I wasn't very agitated during the whole conversation until that was brought up...
     
  4. bhsmte

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    I would try to accept, that some people are not swayed by the same arguments that sway you.
     
  5. farout

    farout Standing firm for Christ

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    You only quote Scripture, for your proof, and don't argue, your words mean very little. Remember the old saying.

    "Don't confuse me with the facts; My mind is made up"
     
  6. essentialsaltes

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    Reflect on how people might react to a theory that the Jews deserved what they got.
     
  7. Jed Man

    Jed Man Christian Critic

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    I NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT. My exact wording was, "God lifted his protection, and the devil took adventage of the situation." Where, exactly, do I say I approve of that in anyway. I don't. And nothing in my exact wording vaguely resembles it. Don't you DARE insinuate that I approve of the holocaust!

    And this isn't a thread about what I did! I asked you what you do whenever you come across something like that.
     
  8. Jed Man

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    Sorry about that.

    OK, I meant my wording on the other website.
     
  9. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Right. God intentionally went AWOL. Because the Jews 'rejected his ways'.
     
  10. Jed Man

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    Then why do you think God allowed it? I'm sure God didn't kill them to protect them, let alone bring their death by His hand. Plus, God allowed the Egyptians to enslave the Israelites, and he allowed the Philistine to terrorize them, even slaughter many. Also, I said it was a theory. I have no real proof, but the fact remains the holocaust happened, and there's a reason God did not stop it before it happened.

    Here's an article on God lifting his hand of protection.

    https://redeeminggod.com/god-sometimes-withdraws-protection/

    This does not say it's God's fault the devil killed them, and neither do I say that.

    Btw, I asked a question, and I expect an answer about situations involving what you would do when you get in a position where you meet someone who refuses to learn about God, not to put yourself in my shoes. I created this thread for advice for cooling myself down spiritually, and I will not be falsely or mistakenly accused of anti-Semitism or nazism. If you can't answer the main question of the thread (which happens to also be the title), maybe you shouldn't post on this thread. Forgive me if I'm agitated, but I need spiritual cooling, not a lecture on something I never said.
     
  11. durangodawood

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    Its like unleashing a rabid dog on a child because she 'rejected your ways'. Sure, YOU didnt maul the kid. But come on.
     
  12. AirPo

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    What makes you think there is anything you should do when you meet a person who refuses to learn about God?
     
  13. Loudmouth

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    Unless you think you are God, it would appear that they stopped listening to you, not to God.
     
  14. Freodin

    Freodin Devout believer in a theologically different God

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    Well...

    ... when you present someone with a view of God that other people disagree with, and you are unable to understand their view...

    ... perhaps it is you who refuses to learn anything about God?
     
  15. ToddNotTodd

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    The logical reason is that the Christian god desired the holocaust more than he desired stopping it.
     
  16. farout

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    Romans 9 says it pretty clear. Only stating scripture works, as our words seldom do much but get a little attention. I have come to the point in my life that I do not think most people move very much except for fire, earthquake, and war. Unless God gets their attention its a waste of breath.
     
  17. GoldenBoy89

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    Maybe stop, hear them out. Listen to what they have to say about it and why they reject the idea you are presenting.
     
  18. AirPo

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    Why should I care what Romans 9 says?
     
  19. Freodin

    Freodin Devout believer in a theologically different God

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    Only stating scripture is a perfect way to make sure that there isn't a conversation. But a conversation is not what most Christians are interested in.
     
  20. Strivax

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    Whose God, yours or theirs?


    1. Get better ideas about God.
    2. Get some compassion for humanity.
    3. Learn some real history, at least to undergraduate level.
    4. Stop blaming others for rejecting your dubious theories, and
    5. Reflect on the nature of your character, that seems to find a God complicit in the holocaust an acceptable proposition.

    That should all keep you out of trouble for the foreseeable future.

    Cheers, Strivax
     
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