When is the first resurrection?

[dqhall]

The Bible implies that there is a "Second Resurrection" as being the Resurrection of the Wicked when it speaks about the "First Resurrection."

5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
(Revelation 20:5-6).​

It says blessed is he that takes part in the "first resurrection." If the wicked were blessed for partaking in this first resurrection whereby the second death (the Lake of Fire) has no power, then you would have a contradiction in Scripture because the wicked will be destroyed by the second death (the Lake of Fire).


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A house divided against itself can not stand (Mark 3:25). Why would someone think God could release the devil after one thousand years to make people's lives miserable all over again? I also do not understand why the writer of Revelation used the past tense to describe events in the future. It is an odd usage of verb tenses. During Jesus' day some people who were dead were brought back to life for a time to live a few more years on earth. To this day there are occasional reports of people pronounced dead by doctors coming back to life. There will be a final judgement for this world. God will keep the righteous and terminate support for the wicked.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

A house divided against itself can not stand (Mark 3:25). Why would someone think God could release the devil after one thousand years to make people's lives miserable all over again? I also do not understand why the writer of Revelation used the past tense to describe events in the future. It is an odd usage of verb tenses. During Jesus' day some people who were dead were brought back to life for a time to live a few more years on earth. To this day there are occasional reports of people pronounced dead by doctors coming back to life. There will be a final judgement for this world. God will keep the righteous and terminate support for the wicked.

The verse "a house divided against itself does not stand" does not apply or undo the truth of a future Millennium and a Final Battle at the end of that time period. Nothing that is described like a Millennium has ever happened yet.

Check out my CF post on the Millennium (with verses) here:

The Millennium.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I used to believe that too. On the surface it makes a lot of sense. It just doesn't jive with scripture.

You should watch Mike Hoggard on the Number 8 in Scripture.
It will totally blow your mind.

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[DavidPT]

Although there are more than two resurrections taught in the Bible, there are only two that can apply to the same person. That would be the "first" and the "second" as they are commonly referred to.

I tend to think you are wrong since the text only indicates it is the rest of the dead who live again after the thousand years, IOW the 2nd resurrection. Those of the first resurrection, and the rest of the dead, are hardly referring to the same people. Because if they were, the rest of the dead should have also lived again via the first resurrection, yet obviously they don't.

 

[LastSeven]

I see that as a statement that is spiritual in nature.. When one believes they have grossed over to evernal life and they shall not face the second death in the eternal lake of fire.. So these people who believe are awaiting the return of the LORD Jesus Christ to fully realize their eternal life.. It is an eternal life that is assured but it is an eternal life we must wait paitently for with Faith..



We too may live a New life.. to me is looking towards a future life.. It can also be a changed life in this world because our minds / world view has been changed.. But Paul was saying May live a New life.. At the time Paul was a saved Christian.. So he was not talking about the life he was living then as a saved person.. He was talking about a future eternal perfect life..




Again spiritual life not talking about the physical reasurection promised us on the occasion of the return of the LORD Jesus Christ..

So if all of this is speaking of a spiritual life and therefore a spiritual resurrection, why can't the "first resurrection" be that same spiritual resurrection?

 

[LastSeven]

The Bible implies that there is a "Second Resurrection" as being the Resurrection of the Wicked when it speaks about the "First Resurrection."

5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
(Revelation 20:5-6).​

It says blessed is he that takes part in the "first resurrection." If the wicked were blessed for partaking in this first resurrection whereby the second death (the Lake of Fire) has no power, then you would have a contradiction in Scripture because the wicked will be destroyed by the second death (the Lake of Fire)

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Nobody said the wicked take part in the first resurrection. In fact, your very point proves that the resurrection spoken of is the second resurrection, not the first.

 

[LastSeven]

I tend to think you are wrong since the text only indicates it is the rest of the dead who live again after the thousand years, IOW the 2nd resurrection. Those of the first resurrection, and the rest of the dead, are hardly referring to the same people. Because if they were, the rest of the dead should have also lived again via the first resurrection, yet obviously they don't.

You're looking at it the wrong way. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the second resurrection, but that does not mean those who take part in the first can not also take part in the second. You see, the righteous take part in both resurrections but the wicked only the second.

 

[Dartman]

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Revelation 20:1-3 talks about Satan being "bound" for a 1000 years...
and then he must be "loosened" for a period specifically NAMED a "Little Season".

Verses 4-6 talks about the SOULS of those "beheaded" for Jesus and for the Gospel
"living and reigning with Christ for a thousand years".... but the rest of the dead lived not
until AFTER the thousand years was finished.

So the question is simple:
WHEN was the "first resurrection" referenced in Rev 20:1-6?

(1) Was the "first resurrection" when the Saints are "born again"?
(2) Was the "first resurrection" when the Saints were "raised/resurrected" with Christ?
(3) Was the "first resurrection" when they "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years"?
(4) Was the "first resurrection" AFTER the Saints "lived and reigned a thousand years"?
(5) Was the "first resurrection" AFTER Satan is "loosened" for his "Little Season"?

Please provide Scripture to support your opinion.

None of these options works ... since the first resurrection is future to us. It will happen "at his (Christs) coming";

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
There is a consistent event mentioned in at least 3 passages, that announces this resurrection,
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[iamlamad]

I used to believe that too. On the surface it makes a lot of sense. It just doesn't jive with scripture.

Please show us WHERE?

 

[iamlamad]

I think you're confused. There is one resurrection for both the righteous and the wicked.

Acts 24:15
and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Jesus said it would happen on the last day.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

And so did the angel speaking with Daniel

Daniel 12:13
As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.

" be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." This could just as well be written:
A resurrection of the righteous and
A resurrection of the wicked.

Same with Daniel's verse.

Perhaps for John the Day of the Lord is that "last day." then it would include the rapture, the resurrection of the 144,000, and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints, and finally the resurrection of the wicked a thousand years later.

The 70th week WILL BE at "the end of days.

I don't see these verses outweigh the VERY PLAIN scriptures in Revelation that show us two resurrections.

 

[iamlamad]

The Different Resurrections in Order:

A. - A New Heart and the New Man: The Resurrection of the Heart & Soul for the Believer:

#1. A New Heart. Believers in Jesus are spiritually regenerated (receive a new heart with new desires). They are born again by the water (i.e. Scripture) and by the Spirit (Holy Spirit).
#2. - A New Man: The Gradual Resurrection of the New Man for the Believer.
This is the believer renewing his mind and going through the Sanctifcation process by the spirit and living more holy in this life (whereby they are conforming to Christ's image and likeness in behavior).​

B. - A New Spirit Body: The Resurrection of the Believer's Spirit Body:

#1. Pre-Trib Rapture.
#2. 2nd Rapture (Shortly Before Christ's 2nd Coming).​

C. - New Physical Body: A Resurrection of a New Physical Flesh and Blood Body for the Believer (i.e. What the Bible calls the "First Resurrection"):

Three Days After Christ's crucfixion:

#1. Jesus Christ rises bodily from the grave.​

During the Tribulation The Following Believers Will Rise Bodily:

#2. The 144,000 (Are called the 1st fruits of the resurrection) (See Revelation 14:4).
#3. Moses & Elijah are Bodily Resurrected (After they Are Killed).​

At the Beginning of the Millennium the followng Believers Will Rise Bodily:

#4. The 24 elders
(i.e. Abraham, and select patriarchs; And possibly Christ's 12 disciples - minus Judas.).
#5. Those Gentile believers who were beheaded for Christ by the Anti-Christ during the Tribulation.​

At the End of the Millennium and Shortly Before the Judgment on the New Earth:

#6. The Rest of the Dead Saints in Christ will Be Bodily Resurrected and Live with Christ Forever.​

D. - New Physical Body: A Resurrection of a New Physical Flesh and Blood Body for the Wicked (i.e. What the Bible imples as the "Second Resurrection"):

The Wicked will Be Resurrected Bodily and Be Punished for a Set Amount of Time and Then Destroyed or Erased From Existence in the Lake of Fire.​

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Sorry, but in the first century some, if not most of this post would be declared heresy.

 

[tranquil]

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How different this theory from what Paul wrote, that Satan is the god of this present world. And John confirms, showing us that it will not be until the 7th trumpet judgment, at the midpoint of the week, when the kingdoms of the world are taken from Satan and given to Jesus Christ.

In other words, how can anyone imagine Satan is bound now? Can a lamb lay down by a lion now, and be safe? Can a child play with a poisonous snake now and be safe? NO! The earth is still under the curse of sin, and Satan is still the god of this world.

As further proof, Satan offered all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus. He could because they belong to him, and will continue to belong to him until the 7th trumpet.

Satan is not bound in the world.

Satan is bound by Jesus and his ministry - in individuals, the 'church', if you want to call it that.

 

[iamlamad]

But who is the rest of the dead that lived not again until the thousand years was finished?
Revelation 20:5 says that the rest of the dead that lived a thousand years later is a part of the first resurrection still.


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You are not reading that correctly. The phrase (5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) should be set in parenthesis. Sadly John did not have any parenthesis marks.


The second resurrection will come after the thousand year reign, and will be for the wicked. Did you not read where they are raised from?

 

[iamlamad]

Satan is not bound in the world.

Satan is bound by Jesus and his ministry - in individuals, the 'church', if you want to call it that.

If you would say that God LIMITS Satan, I could agree. But in NO WAY is Satan bound now and for the church age. He will be bound for the millennial reign of Christ. Satan is very free to do what he does best: DECEIVE.

 

[jeffinjapan]

Not according to my personal interpretation of scripture. Go back and read again and agree with me or else you're wrong..

I fixed it for ya!

 

[LastSeven]

" be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." This could just as well be written:
A resurrection of the righteous and
A resurrection of the wicked.

I don't see these verses outweigh the VERY PLAIN scriptures in Revelation that show us two resurrections.

Why would a single resurrection that includes both the righteous and the wicked, require that there be only one resurrection? I think you're jumping to conclusions.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Nobody said the wicked take part in the first resurrection. In fact, your very point proves that the resurrection spoken of is the second resurrection, not the first.

So even when the Bible says it is the "first resurrection" it is actually the second resurrection?
Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.


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[Bible Highlighter]

You are not reading that correctly. The phrase (5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) should be set in parenthesis. Sadly John did not have any parenthesis marks.

Several problems here. Even with the paranthesis, it does not change the following words that say, the "first resurrection." That would be like saying, the cat who ate birds (and the cat who chased squirrels) is named Tom. You are saying there are two different cats with one of them not being named Tom. That doesn't make any sense. Also, there is no mention of the rest of the saints here. You are merely implying that the rest of the dead saints is mentioned here (When they are not spoken of) according to your interpretation on this text in Revelation.

Revelation 7:9-17, John asks the question of who are those who are arrayed in white robes? They are those who were martyred during the great tribulation. So these people are in focus in Revelation here. There is no mention of the other saints joining them, as well. Revelation 20 continues the narrative and tells us the fate of these tribulation saints. John mentions that the rest of the dead will live after the thousand years is finished. Then John says, This is the first resurrection. So it is still the first resurrection.

The second resurrection will come after the thousand year reign, and will be for the wicked. Did you not read where they are raised from?

Why don't you quote me the verse and tell me?


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[Bible Highlighter]

Sorry, but in the first century some, if not most of this post would be declared heresy.

More Scripture and less "torch carrying mob" like words please.


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[Adstar]

So if all of this is speaking of a spiritual life and therefore a spiritual resurrection, why can't the "first resurrection" be that same spiritual resurrection?

Because the First reasurection leads to us living as perfect beings.. We are not perfect so thus the first reasurection is a future happening..