When is it gonna be enough?

[dogs4thewin]

No such thing as an accident, someone screwed up.

Well, now sometimes there are honest to goodness accidents that could not be helped, but those are rarer than people like to think.

 

[Teshuvah777]

I'm not gonna be debating God and his role in the evil of this world or whatever. What I am going to say is something that needs to be said.

We've had yet another school shooting this morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.

The last thing we need to offer are just "thoughts and prayers." Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. God hates gun violence. Period. And so should we.

How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?

Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

The solution is to create an advanced AI to rule over humanity with an iron fist. Humans are awful dictators but a perfectly logical and sturdy machine would be a very pleasant dictator. Our species is stupid, selfish, savage, bloodthirsty, lazy, and all around disgusting. Even God agrees. His love is arbitrary.

The irony is that those kids were lucky to die as teenagers. Their souls would have rotted the longer they lived on this planet. The survivors are the most unfortunate.

 

[Invalidusername]

The solution is to create an advanced AI to rule over humanity with an iron fist. Humans are awful dictators but a perfectly logical and sturdy machine would be a very pleasant dictator. Our species is stupid, selfish, savage, bloodthirsty, lazy, and all around disgusting. Even God agrees. His love is arbitrary.

The irony is that those kids were lucky to die as teenagers. Their souls would have rotted the longer they lived on this planet. The survivors are the most unfortunate.

Probably the most truthful but also the most harsh comment on this thread.

 

[Hank77]

I know that you have to renew your DL every few years and I do not even drive for various reasons, so I just thought it would stand to reason there would be a need to renew a gun permit.

I don't believe in gun permits, I do believe in CCW permits. Those are basically for law enforcement purposes for their knowledge of why you have a concealed weapon on you. Not that you are concealing in order to break the law but for lawful purposes. In my state these must be renewed every five yrs.

ARIZONA: Licenses expire on the 65th birthday, and until then drivers only need new photos every 12 years — making Arizona unique in how long a license can last. Starting at 65, drivers must renew every five years, with a vision test each time. At age 70, renewal can no longer be done by mail.

Arizona Drivers License Does Expire | Traffic School Online

I think they are two very different things. Driver's are on the public roads almost daily behind the wheel of a deadly vehicle.
Having guns in your home is a very different thing and a lot less deadly to the general public.

 

[Hank77]

In my state you only need a gun permit to carry in public. Other than that, no permit needed. Only thing that is required is a background check.

Does your state do universal background checks? Mine does.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The solution is to create an advanced AI to rule over humanity with an iron fist.

This is what has been happening, more and more computerized for half a century and longer, but it's not the computers/ai in charge NOR helping (being by nature deadly and harmful) , rather it
is the direction and the plan of the anti-christ, not Jesus' solution.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I'm not gonna be debating God and his role in the evil of this world or whatever. What I am going to say is something that needs to be said.

We've had yet another school shooting this morning in Texas. We've had yet another wicked, truly evil person walk in freely and murder eight students. If that does not outrage you, you are not human and have no pulse.

The last thing we need to offer are just "thoughts and prayers." Thoughts and prayers are not enough anymore. God hates gun violence. Period. And so should we.

How many school shootings is it going to take for the church to wake up to the fact that there are truly evil people in this world? That Satan has made it clear he is not going to play fair? Does it have to go so far as to seeing their own children murdered? I'm all for the second amendment, but is it worth defending at the cost of these kids lives?

Bottomline, this is all outrageous and disgusting. All of us, liberals, conservatives, Christians, Atheists, whatever! We all need to start sending demands our police and politicians and gun manufacturers, "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!"

Trust me when I say the problems go much much deeper than lifeless steel, lead, and powder. Neither God nor life have the value in this country that they used to. And sin, what is sin, do Americans even recognize it? And violence, oh didn't you know that truth and morals are relative? And if atheism is true, does it ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things? I mean we see in nature how animals will kill their own, in some cases even eat them. Please understand I am only framing the conversation in this manner to make the point. It is high past time to make abortion illegal, time to put the Bible back in schools, time for the Churches to take a stand against embracing sin and rejoicing in it, and time for Churches to get off the business bandwagon and get real with it, time to believe it and live by convictions, time to be a living sacrifice and testimony to the life changing Gospel of Jesus Christ!!

 

[Invalidusername]

Does your state do universal background checks? Mine does.

No universal background check.

 

[Hank77]

Even with background checks though that only tell what has already happened, given that should they not then have background checks every few years?

No because when someone commits a felony or specific misdemeanors their guns are confiscated. If they try to buy another gun they can't pass the background check.

 

[Der Alte]

Cherry-picking again. The fact that some oppressive governments took advantage of unarmed citizens is not much of a case. Look at western Europe over the last 70 or so years. No guns, no oppressive governments, and a much lower body count.
As the number of dead teenagers grows, their peers will enter the voting demographic and I am hopeful that anachronistic gun culture will be muzzled (pun intended) at the ballot box.

Hardly cherry picking, I didn't even get to South America, China, North Korea and other benevolent oppressive countries with strict gun laws.

 

[Hank77]

Mainly they only do the background check when you go to the store to purchase a gun. Imagine how many background checks they would be doing daily if they had to update it every few years on each customer.

Anyways background checks are only a preventive measure for licensed retailers. People who fail a background check will just purchase a gun second hand from a non-licensed retailer, friends, or neighbors. Like the popular saying goes, "Criminals don't follow laws."

Universal background checks stops a lot of buying guns to get around a background check. A background check must be run for every gun that changes hands in my state except for transfers to close family members and inherited guns.
If I want to buy a gun from my neighbor we have to go to a licensed gun dealer who will run a check on me at my expense. Only after that can I legally buy the gun and my neighbor can legally sell me his gun.
The seller is responsible for actions taken with his gun until he legally sells it. So if he sold me a gun illegally and I used it in a crime that gun would lead back to him and he could be held liable (sued by victim or victims family) and be punished for breaking the gun sales law.

 

[HantsUK]

Even most accidents though come down in some sense to human behavior. This is why it is possbile in fatal car accidents ( even if no drugs or alcohol were involved to do some some jail/prison time. The sentence will vary based on different things but just about ANY fatal car accident where someone other than the deceased is determined at fault that person will do time or at least be charged.

Agreed, although the charges for killing someone due to dangerous driving are still too low (in my view, in the UK), and rarely get that far.

But a lot of effort (at least, in the UK) has been put in over the years to reduce the fatality rate for car 'accidents'. This does not seem to be the case with gun deaths in America.

 

[Invalidusername]

Universal background checks stops a lot of buying guns to get around a background check. A background check must be run for every gun that changes hands in my state except for transfers to close family members and inherited guns.
If I want to buy a gun from my neighbor we have to go to a licensed gun dealer who will run a check on me at my expense. Only after that can I legally buy the gun and my neighbor can legally sell me his gun.
The seller is responsible for actions taken with his gun until he legally sells it. So if he sold me a gun illegally and I used it in a crime that gun would lead back to him and he could be held liable (sued by victim or victims family) and be punished for breaking the gun sales law.

Interesting. I also Googled universal background checks and they are only required in 9 states. Right now I can legally buy firearms from my neighbors with no background checks.

However there's plenty of guns available that would be almost impossible to trace it back to its original owner which would include guns with no serial numbers, fake serial numbers, old gun with long history, and etc.

 

[Hank77]

Even most accidents though come down in some sense to human behavior. This is why it is possbile in fatal car accidents ( even if no drugs or alcohol were involved to do some some jail/prison time. The sentence will vary based on different things but just about ANY fatal car accident where someone other than the deceased is determined at fault that person will do time or at least be charged.

Source? Something to help me find it because I don't think that is true.
In fact, I know it's not true in my state because my in-law cousin was in a wreck where the other guy was killed. No charges were ever brought against him. There was no negligence on his part or the other guys either. It was an accident caused by icy roads.

 

[sdowney717]

The solution is to create an advanced AI to rule over humanity with an iron fist. Humans are awful dictators but a perfectly logical and sturdy machine would be a very pleasant dictator. Our species is stupid, selfish, savage, bloodthirsty, lazy, and all around disgusting. Even God agrees. His love is arbitrary.

The irony is that those kids were lucky to die as teenagers. Their souls would have rotted the longer they lived on this planet. The survivors are the most unfortunate.

That depends on their eternal destiny after they were killed. When Christ returns He rules this earth with a rod of iron.

Psalm 2 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Messiah’s Triumph and Kingdom
1 Why do the [a]nations rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”

7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest [j]He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

 

[Hank77]

Interesting. I also Googled universal background checks and they are only required in 9 states. Right now I can legally buy firearms from my neighbors with no background checks.

However there's plenty of guns available that would be almost impossible to trace it back to its original owner which would include guns with no serial numbers, fake serial numbers, old gun with long history, and etc.

There are 8 more states that have basically the same thing by a different name. The buyer has a background check run on them and they are given a FOID, a Firearms Owner Identification card. No one can legally buy a firearm without an ID card.

 

[Invalidusername]

There are 8 more states that have basically the same thing by a different name. The buyer has a background check run on them and they are given a FOID, a Firearms Owner Identification card. No one can legally buy a firearm without an ID card.

I don't have any problems with this system except I can see how heavily the government could abuse this by perhaps blackballing certain individuals who aren't pushing for the same agenda as the government.

 

[Andrew Jeremiah]

because for one thing God is patient and slow to anger. He does not use violence as a first resort. We see that with the flood and various other times. He only uses violence last.

On this side of the Jordan God instructed and commanded Joshua to cross over and kill every man, woman, teen, child, toddler, infant, sheep, cattle, everything, to destroy a people who did Joshua no violence met with a violent end by God.

You need to bring your understanding of God in compliance with Scripture.

 

[Resha Caner]

Others perceive me however they want to. If I agreed with your worldview and used similar terminology, you would absolutely agree with me. You and others just CHOOSE to perceive my comments in said manner. It's all about me not apologizing about my unconventional views and defending it without any "I hope I don't offend you." comments.

I honestly don't care if the truth offends you and makes me look like a "red neck" which apparently as a Christian, you don't love red necks for some reason. I guess Jesus hates red necks too.

I guess it depends on what you want to achieve. I think there's a better way to express yourself that wouldn't require apologies or concessions, but might help people understand you. If you don't care to be understood, proceed.

 

[Invalidusername]

I guess it depends on what you want to achieve. I think there's a better way to express yourself that wouldn't require apologies or concessions, but might help people understand you. If you don't care to be understood, proceed.

Like I said, you chose to form those opinions. I have no control over that except for submitting the truth.