When is it gonna be enough?

[Anguspure]

no, but if you impose laws on things like that ( guns) the only people hurt will be those willing to follow the law. The only thing gun laws do id make it harder for honest folks to protect themselves from criminals or in some rural areas nature.

Actually it makes it a whole lot more easy for the authorities to spot illegal ownership when they see it. In NZ where an illegal handgun or an automatic weapon is discovered it shines a light on a person or group that the authorities need to pay attention to track down sources and shut down, irrespective of the intent of the user(s).

 

[Radagast]

Then why does it work in Australia?

(1) I think we have a less violent society

(2) Our gun laws didn't actually change out murder rate at all. Gun killings became less common, but knife killings became more common.

 

[thesunisout]

This is why I don't call myself a Christian anymore. I still have faith, but I refuse to associate myself with people who prioritize the second amendment over the lives of children.

If you love God it necessarily follows that you love His people too. The scripture tells us this:

1 John 4:20

If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

We can disagree with eachother on certain theological and social issues yet still fellowship because we both love Christ

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is why I don't call myself a Christian anymore. I still have faith, but I refuse to associate myself with people who prioritize the second amendment over the lives of children.

Take an hour or so, and look up the highest cause of death in the USA, for children and babies as well as for adults.
(IF it is true that you care about the children)

Your efforts against guns produces no benefits, and is aimed at one of the smaller causes of injury and death there is compared to the huge major causes that you actually can do something about in your own life and your family's life and your friend's lives.

 

[Radagast]

That is right, we don't buy guns to shoot people with and so the type of gun we allow will not be for the purpose of shooting people, nevertheless a great many of us have guns and other weapons for hunting game readily at hand in our houses.

It's actually not all that different in places like North Dakota in the USA. Most people are peaceful farmers with lots and lots of guns, but no desire to use them on other people.

In fact, in the year 2000, North Dakota had less than half the murder rate of NZ.

The North Dakota murder rate has increased since then (still equal fourth lowest among US states) but that seems to reflect an influx of non-Dakotans working in the oil industry.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The North Dakota murder rate has increased since then (still equal fourth lowest among US states) but that seems to reflect an influx of non-Dakotans working in the oil industry.

Just for comparison, if possible, check/ compare drug use as a causal factor. (for crimes as well as shootings.)

 

[Micah888]

Our gun laws didn't actually change out murder rate at all. Gun killings became less common, but knife killings became more common.

Which simply confirms that guns are not the problem. The same thing has happened in the UK. Now they want to ban knives. Then they will go after potato peelers (this was just reported recently).

Now the real question is" If guns are so evil, how come the politicians and celebrities do not ban them from their security guards, and ask them to use wooden spoons?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Which simply confirms that guns are not the problem. The same thing has happened in the UK. Now they want to ban knives. Then they will go after potato peelers (this was just reported recently).

Remember when baby walkers got banned ? Hundreds or thousands of other things are a much bigger problem, but heh.... "spin" and "fake news" wins the day....

 

[Hank77]

Then why does it work in Australia?

Here's one reason it won't work in the US.

June 2005
WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

If police have no duty to protect the citizens, even when there is a court order, then we are obligated to protect our own families and others from harm.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Yet another european....

This is getting old.

 

[Radagast]

If police have no duty to protect the citizens

That's not what that legal case means.

 

[Hank77]

(1) I think we have a less violent society

(2) Our gun laws didn't actually change out murder rate at all. Gun killings became less common, but knife killings became more common.

Looking at info for Australia they don't appear to have the gang violence or the drug use that we have in the US.

 

[Radagast]

Looking at info for Australia they don't appear to have the gang violence or the drug use that we have in the US.

We do have an increasing drug problem. Our drug-induced death rate is about half that of the US, I think.

We have very little gang violence, compared to the US. I think there are a whole bunch of reasons for that.

Generally speaking, for every kind of needless death (murder, disease, traffic deaths, whatever) we tend to demand that our government take effective action, and it generally does. Often our solutions would be unconstitutional in the US, though.

 

[Hank77]

That's not what that legal case means.

It is at the police officer's discretion.

CASTLE ROCK V. GONZALES

 

[Radagast]

It is at the police officer's discretion.

CASTLE ROCK V. GONZALES

In that case, it was argued that a "right to police protection" constituted "property" to which the 14th amendment applied, and for which a lawsuit could be filed. The court denied that (rather convoluted) argument, noting, as you say, that "After the warrant is sought, it remains within the discretion of a judge whether to grant it, and after it is granted, it remains within the discretion of the police whether and when to execute it."

That is, the police have a duty to protect the citizens (it's their job), but that doesn't translate into a "property interest" in the way that the lawsuit claimed. If police don't do their job, there are still other avenues for legal action, of course.

 

[Discreetuser01]

no, but if you impose laws on things like that ( guns) the only people hurt will be those willing to follow the law. The only thing gun laws do id make it harder for honest folks to protect themselves from criminals or in some rural areas nature.

More people die in auto crashed than gun shots. Ban automobiles??

 

[Discreetuser01]

HisPrincess, yes, it be easy to get a gun and with the internet it's become a go to place to not only get connected...you can also find videos online that show you how to make a gun... use can make your own gun from plastic, cardboard/wood that fires real bullets. Prior to internet such information was available at the library and or local book stores...if you lived near a "Jump Street" you could get a gun for $20 bucks or a cartoon of smokes/or weed, even a case of beer...it's still like that where I live.
They can pass all the laws and ban guns...there just too many out there who are willing to either get you a gun or make one for you.

The church know there be evil people and such... many churches be doing something... years ago the DC sniper had people scared to pump gas and there was those from a certain church who went and volunteered to pump gas for people at the gas stations and other christians took up watch...there also be christians and veterans getting training so they can serve as guards at schools and churches.
There were christians at the school shooting in Florida that took bullets to save other students lives...let's not forget the ones who made the ultimate sacrifice to prevent loss of life.

Let's not forget the countless christians who serve as community watch around
area schools.
There be christians who reached out to help the families whose children were
killed, wounded/and or disabled...helping them with hospital, funeral, long term
care, and counseling costs.
Prayers and thoughts be with the families who lost they children and there also
be the christians who be in there doing whatever that needs to be done.
We also help out financially, prayerfully and have two at risk young people
we be keeping watch over.

Same way they buy drugs.....

 

[Discreetuser01]

NZ has extremely strict gun laws, restricting both who is allowed to own a gun (self defence is not an acceptable reason to have one) and what kind of guns are allowed. Quite similar to Australian laws, actually. And, like Australia, the absence of a land border makes the import of illegal weapons easier to control.

So when a meth addict or some other bad guy breaks down your door to steal kill and rob you, you know, home invasion? What do you do? Happens all the time here. Even sitting in you car in traffic....

 

[Rion]

What people in every other free, advanced have realized: that guns have no place in today’s society.

Sorry, what countries are you referring to? I wouldn't classify Canada as a free country. Same goes for England, Germany, etc. In a free country, you don't get arrested for having an unpopular opinion.

 

[Archivist]

More people die in auto crashed than gun shots. Ban automobiles??

There are occasional cases of someone using an auto to purposely kill people, but for the most part autos are used strictly for transportation purposes. Yes, accidents happen and people do die in those accidents but that isn’t the primary purpose of driving. Guns, on the other hand, have three primary purposes—target shooting, shooting animals and shooting people. The biggest difference between the two is that in order to drive a car you have to pass an oral and/or written test, a driving test and an eye exam. You can get a gun with none of that.