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Kid used a sawed off shotgun, which is already illegal. Same school had a school shooting threat called in to police a couple of months ago, supposedly regarding this same kid. What exactly are you wanting?
Very funny.
Cherry-picking:
Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias.[1][2] Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally. This fallacy is a major problem in public debate.
Let's be clear: what you are doing is a form of lying.
Let's be clear: what you are doing is a form of lying.
The graph makes a wild jump from western nations (apart from Yemen) to wild 3rd world nations as if the comparison would mean anything. As @expos4ever points out there is a degree of cherry picking going on here.
The graph makes a wild jump from western nations (apart from Yemen) to wild 3rd world nations as if the comparison would mean anything. As @expos4ever points out there is a degree of cherry picking going on here.
On your reasoning I can hardly conceive why New Zealand with its background of fierce warrior culture that is expressed in some of the hardest gangs on the planet is not overun by gun totting criminals. Especially when we consider that we have one of the higher per-capita (hunting and sport) gun ownership stats in the western world
I will back off on this claim, as my gut feeling might turn out to be wrong. Consider the following:The data is clear: most people who live in free nations are safer than you are.
I will back off on this claim, as my gut feeling might turn out to be wrong. Consider the following:
First, let's look at the relationship between gun laws and violence in general. It is possible to have a violent society without guns. Prime evidence of that is the former Soviet Union and its successor states such as Russia, which despite stringent gun control laws, posted murder rates from 1965-1999 that far outstripped the rest of the developed world [sources: Kates and Mauser; Kessler; Pridemore]. The killers in question did not obtain illegal firearms -- they simply employed other weapons [source: Kleck].
On the other hand, Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, all countries with heavy gun ownership, have a history of low murder rates. According to a 2014 United Nations report, Germany's murder rate of 0.8 killings per 100,000 inhabitants was identical to Luxembourg, where the law prohibits civilian ownership of handguns and gun ownership is rare [source: UNODOC, Kates and Mauser].
If you have never lived it I can see why you think so up in the liberal north of the Constitution of the United States. I do agree that criminals are insane and it is those you must be referring to. Because the multitudes of honest, working class, wealthy, users, collectors, hunters and those crazy three gun enthusiasts would take as much offense to your comment as you and many of your Canadians would if we called you something similar. Let's remember this is a Christian forum. "Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." If you were see forces at work to take your God given rights away then I am sure you might find a "cause" to channel your anger through. But this has nothing to do with you. On the other hand it has everything to do with our rights as citizens of the greatest nation in the history of mankind.Ok l fine. Let bank guards abd the secrest service have guns.
Per my last post, gun culture in the USA is almost the very definition of insanity.
Shouldn't there be concern about correlating murder rate with mental derangement and previous criminality?Not really. If you compare US states, which makes more sense, there is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rate.
CONCLUSIONS:
Rates of mental disorder in people convicted of homicide. National clinical survey. - PubMed - NCBIThe findings suggest an association between schizophrenia and conviction for homicide. Most perpetrators with a history of mental disorder were not acutely ill or under mental healthcare at the time of the offence. Some perpetrators receive prison sentences despite having severe mental illness.
Fewer homicides committed by strangers, more by criminal associates
- Despite the increased number of victims reported in 2015, increases were not equal across all types of homicides when considering relationship types. Relationship information is available for solved homicides for which an accused has been identified. Decades of relationship information indicates that homicides are frequently committed by someone known to the victim. In 2015, 87% of victims knew the accused involved in their death (Table 7). This proportion increased from 2014 where a reported 82% of victims knew the accused.
Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world.If you have never lived it I can see why you think so up in the liberal north of the Constitution of the United States. I do agree that criminals are insane and it is those you must be referring to. Because the multitudes of honest, working class, wealthy, users, collectors, hunters and those crazy three gun enthusiasts would take as much offense to your comment as you and many of your Canadians would if we called you something similar. Let's remember this is a Christian forum. "Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." If you were see forces at work to take your God given rights away then I am sure you might find a "cause" to channel your anger through. But this has nothing to do with you. On the other hand it has everything to do with our rights as citizens of the greatest nation in the history of mankind.
And you know this how?God used gun violence to free this country from Britain.
I walked to school in kindergarten right here in a city in the US, all the kids did if they lived within a certain number of blocks from the school. In the little town I live in now, all the town kids walk to school.why pick on the Canadian?
I lived in Canada 6 yrs as a child
my parents allowed me to take two buses (needed a transfer ticket) across a big city BY MYSELF to get to the ice skating rink for skating lessons, go through alleys to get home after dark, and walk to school everyday starting at age 9)
my kid is 10 now and never in a million years would we let our child do any of those in the U.S.
so were my parents nuts or was Canada safer?
Then why does it work in Australia?no, but if you impose laws on things like that ( guns) the only people hurt will be those willing to follow the law. The only thing gun laws do id make it harder for honest folks to protect themselves from criminals or in some rural areas nature.
I am saying that the dynamics between gun ownership and murder rates differ on the grounds of other factors that are not taken into account in these graphs.So you're saying that it's the countries that have higher murder rates is more of a correlation of 1st world vs 3rd world countries? You just unwittingly admitted that the gun ownership was not the strongest factor in murder but in the fact that it is a 1st world country vs a 3rd world country.
That is right, we don't buy guns to shoot people with and so the type of gun we allow will not be for the purpose of shooting people, nevertheless a great many of us have guns and other weapons for hunting game readily at hand in our houses.NZ has extremely strict gun laws, restricting both who is allowed to own a gun (self defence is not an acceptable reason to have one) and what kind of guns are allowed. Quite similar to Australian laws, actually. And, like Australia, the absence of a land border makes the import of illegal weapons easier to control.
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