When does the resurrection of the dead take place?

[BobRyan]

i've already posted a thread on the resurrection and now i think another element of the resurrection needs to be discussed.

when does the resurrection of the just and unjust take place?

Rev 20:4-5 and 1 Thess 4 both point to the fact that the "dead in Christ rise first" --

In Rev 20:4-5 that happens at the first resurrection - and it starts the 1000 year millennium that starts-with/follows the Rev 19 second coming event.
In 1Thess 4 this is also what happens - the saints are raised first - and are taken to heaven.

After the 1000 years - the wicked are raised according to Rev 20.

 

[BobRyan]

Not a derailment.

The Rapture is when born again people's bodies are resurrected.

How can you say it is not biblical when the very scriptures (which are from the Bible, making it "biblical") were posted?

But if you have made up you mind I won't continue to confuse you with reality.

Certainly the rapture is "biblical" the saints are indeed raised.

It happens at the 2nd coming.

But there is no "secret rapture"

 

[Linet Kihonge]

The resurrection and the rapture should happen almost at the same time. The 1 Thessalonians 4 explains this pretty clearly. Therefore, the first ressurection will happen at Revelations 20 (after all the tribulations and the woes). Don't worry I know there are many scriptures that confuse things up but until a question is asked, I would like to leave it there. :/

 

[BobRyan]

The resurrection and the rapture should happen almost at the same time. The 1 Thessalonians 4 explains this pretty clearly. Therefore, the first ressurection will happen at Revelations 20 (after all the tribulations and the woes). :/

That is exactly right.

But I am a bit surprised to see a Baptist saying it.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Rev 20:4-5 and 1 Thess 4 both point to the fact that the "dead in Christ rise first" --

In Rev 20:4-5 that happens at the first resurrection - and it starts the 1000 year millennium that starts-with/follows the Rev 19 second coming event.
In 1Thess 4 this is also what happens - the saints are raised first - and are taken to heaven.

After the 1000 years - the wicked are raised according to Rev 20.

well stated!

 

[Linet Kihonge]

I kinda revise scripture on my own.... I guess anything goes nowadays!!!

That is exactly right.

But I am a bit surprised to see a Baptist saying it.

 

[BobRyan]

I kinda revise scripture on my own.... I guess anything goes nowadays!!!

Revise scripture?

What about this?

Rev 20:4-5 and 1 Thess 4 both point to the fact that the "dead in Christ rise first" --

In Rev 20:4-5 that happens at the first resurrection - and it starts the 1000 year millennium that starts-with/follows the Rev 19 second coming event.
In 1Thess 4 this is also what happens - the saints are raised first - and are taken to heaven.

After the 1000 years - the wicked are raised according to Rev 20.

 

[dqhall]

In Luke 17:24 Jesus exclaimed his coming will be like the lightening that flashes from one end of heaven to the other. It does not take a thousand years for a lightening bolt to flash across the sky.

In Matthew 24 Jesus described the day of judgement as hidden. The angels were not allowed to know when, only his father in heaven might know when the final judgement will take place and when the righteous will be gathered and saved. The writer of Revelation did not know the time of the end either.

 

[BobRyan]

The question is not - do they know the exact day and hour - the question is the "sequence of events" and at what "event" does the resurrection happen.

It happens at the 2nd coming - as 1Thess 4 and Rev 20:1-5 and John 14:1-4 all state.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Optimax said: ↑
Not a derailment.
The Rapture is when born again people's bodies are resurrected.
How can you say it is not biblical when the very scriptures (which are from the Bible, making it "biblical") were posted?
But if you have made up you mind I won't continue to confuse you with reality.
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The resurrection and the rapture should happen almost at the same time. The 1 Thessalonians 4 explains this pretty clearly. Therefore, the first ressurection will happen at Revelations 20 (after all the tribulations and the woes).
Don't worry I know there are many scriptures that confuse things up but until a question is asked, I would like to leave it there. :/

Well, it certainly confuses the apostate non-Christian Jews and Muslims today.

Certainly the rapture is "biblical" the saints are indeed raised.

It happens at the 2nd coming.

But there is no "secret rapture"

What the heck is a "secret rapture?"

Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD - Bible.ca
www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm
Rapture doctrine did not exist before John Darby invented it in 1830 AD.
Before it "popped into John Darby's head" no one had ever heard of a secret rapture ...

6. All premillennialists, rapturists and dispensationalists alive today believe the Bible reveals the general era of when Christ will return. The date setters of the 1800's (Seventh-day Adventists who are date setting premillennialists who reject the rapture, Jehovah's Witnesses who have set many dates) based their predictions upon speculative arrangements of numbers and chronologies in the Bible. Today's date setters without exception wrongly believe that Israel gaining state hood in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophecy and that Christ would return within one generation.................

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[ewq1938]

Well, it certainly confuses the apostate non-Christian Jews and Muslims today.
What the heck is a "secret rapture?"

Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD - Bible.ca
www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm
Rapture doctrine did not exist before John Darby invented it in 1830 AD.

The rapture was not invented. It comes from multiple scriptures. What they think Darby invented is the pre-trib rapture not just rapture and that isn't even correct. In Thess 2 Paul addresses the incorrect belief that Jesus could return before the events of the trib occurred so the pre-trib concept existed back in Paul's day.

 

[Commander]

Are some of you looking to the future for things that have already taken place? Have you ever put two or more verses of scripture together to get to the truth? Here is some truth. The verses of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 states " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." In Matthew 27:50-53 " Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain(it was torn in two) from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city(Jerusalem), and appeared unto many(that means many people seen them). See the verses of Matthew 11:5 and Luke 7:22. In the verse of Luke 20:37-38 Jesus tells us " Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all(everyone) live unto him." For he is the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe(1 Timothy 4:10).

 

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[LittleLambofJesus]

The resurrection and the rapture should happen almost at the same time. The 1 Thessalonians 4 explains this pretty clearly. Therefore, the first ressurection will happen at Revelations 20 (after all the tribulations and the woes). Don't worry I know there are many scriptures that confuse things up but until a question is asked, I would like to leave it there. :/

Wouldn't the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11 sybolize a first resurrection?

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/lazarus-and-2-witnesses-of-reve-11-similarity.7461118/

I guess that depends on who the "2 witnesses" are symbolizing.
Looks to me like Ezekiel 37:10 and Reve 11:11 fit nicely together....Thoughts?

Ezekiel 37:
10 So I prophesied as He commanded me and a breath/spirit came into them and they lived and they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.
11 Then He said to me, "Son of adam, these bones are the whole house of Israel.
[Revelation 11:11]

Reve 11:11
And after the three days and half-equal, a spirit/breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand/esthsan <2476> (5627) on their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them.

Reve 20:5
The rest of the dead-ones not live until should be being finished the thousand years.
This the first Resurrection/ana-stasiV <386>

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[ewq1938]

Wouldn't the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11 sybolize a first resurrection?

No more than Lazarus would. The difference between the Rev 20 first resurrection and previous resurrections is the Rev 20 resurrection is to be raised in the new immortal body.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[ewq1938]

So you think....they sat...and then they lived...put on immortality?

huh?

 

[vinsight4u]

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