When does the resurrection of the dead take place?

[mmksparbud]

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[YSam44]

All the dead will rise again on the last day with their bodies and Christ on His second coming will judge all men. There the good shall finally be separated. When——only God knows,,,that includes Jesus Christ the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity.

Well simply you got that wrong .... there are 3 resurrections at different times...

second the holy spirit is not a personage...it is a spirit and is refered to both "it" and "he" in the greek because greek is gender tolerant... just like spanish and french... you have feminine and masculine words...

only two personages are ever refered to in the opening of one of the new testament letters... they are the father and the son...

 

[ewq1938]

Well simply you got that wrong .... there are 3 resurrections at different times...

Can you post the scriptures for these?

 

[YSam44]

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

in detail this is cover in 1 cor 15. As I already stated this event those both living at the time and those who are dead in christ at the time will be in this event that Paul calls a "RESURRECTION" notice please that God calls it a resurrection...

I also stated earlier that "it is appointed unto man to die once" Heb 9.27 look it up

Those that are alive will transfer between mortal and immortal in the twinkling of an eye...but they will have to die first... scripture cannot be broken JN 10.35

Dont believe that... again here it is... 1 Cor 15 But someone will ask, d“How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 eWhat you sow does not come to life unless it dies." So what someone sows, this includes the living does not come to life unless it dies...

 

[ewq1938]

Those that are alive will transfer between mortal and immortal in the twinkling of an eye...but they will have to die first... scripture cannot be broken JN 10.35

No they don't have to die first. Paul specifically said there will be some who won't die that are alive and remain at the second coming.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

These do not participate in any resurrection from the dead because they never died nor will die.

 

[YSam44]

That's the resurrection of the dead not the living being changed and then raptured which is here:

The change of bodies for those who are alive at the second coming:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The changing happens after the dead in Christ are resurrected. That's why Paul said the living cannot prevent the dead which means they aren't changed before the dead are resurrected.

The rapture of the living who were changed to immortality:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

in detail this is cover in 1 cor 15. As I already stated this event those both living at the time and those who are dead in christ at the time will be in this event that Paul calls a "RESURRECTION" notice please that God calls it a resurrection...

I also stated earlier that "it is appointed unto man to die once" Heb 9.27 look it up

Those that are alive will transfer between mortal and immortal in the twinkling of an eye...but they will have to die first... scripture cannot be broken JN 10.35

Dont believe that... again here it is... 1 Cor 15 But someone will ask, d“How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 eWhat you sow does not come to life unless it dies." So what someone sows, this includes the living does not come to life unless it dies...

Can you post the scriptures for these?

you have the first fruits, then those at the end of the millennium at the great white throne judgement, then another for the incorrigible... the resurrection of the first fruits and those mentioned in Rev 20.5 you will see two mentioned heree

 

[YSam44]

ah! humans have a problem with the kingdom of Caesar getting in the way of the kingdom that is Gods but I don't know Gods will for why he allows and orders all things as they are. so I rejoice with God for it is the surest reality, much greater is it than the concerns of this world!

it seems obvious to me that when I die I shall be set free from my flesh. but some people seem to think that the ultimate reality is this universe.

Yes, when you die you will be free from everything... God, Satan, and even peanut butter sandwhiches

 

[mmksparbud]

1Co_15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

 

[ewq1938]

in detail this is cover in 1 cor 15. As I already stated this event those both living at the time and those who are dead in christ at the time will be in this event that Paul calls a "RESURRECTION" notice please that God calls it a resurrection...

Incorrect. I have proven the living are not resurrected nor do they ever die.

I also stated earlier that "it is appointed unto man to die once" Heb 9.27 look it up

It doesn't apply to all men and it doesn't apply to men resurrected back to life who would die a second time like Lazarus.

Those that are alive will transfer between mortal and immortal in the twinkling of an eye...but they will have to die first... scripture cannot be broken JN 10.35

Dont believe that... again here it is... 1 Cor 15 But someone will ask, d“How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 eWhat you sow does not come to life unless it dies." So what someone sows, this includes the living does not come to life unless it dies...

In most cases but not all.

you have the first fruits, then those at the end of the millennium at the great white throne judgement, then another for the incorrigible... the resurrection of the first fruits and those mentioned in Rev 20.5 you will see two mentioned heree

There is only two resurrections mentioned in Rev 20, one of the dead in Christ at the beginning and then the rest of the dead who weren't in Christ near the end of it.

 

[mmksparbud]

I also stated earlier that "it is appointed unto man to die once" Heb 9.27 look it up

Enoch and Elijah did not die--they were translated without seeing death--changed on the spot as those who are alive at His 2nd coming.

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[YSam44]

Incorrect. I have proven the living are not resurrected nor do they ever die.




It doesn't apply to all men and it doesn't apply to men resurrected back to life who would die a second time like Lazarus.




In most cases but not all.





There is only two resurrections mentioned in Rev 20, one of the dead in Christ at the beginning and then the rest of the dead who weren't in Christ near the end of it.

Yes 2, i said that, you can find the other... and you didnt in my book prove anything... sorry

 

[YSam44]

Enoch and Elijah did not die--they were translated without seeing death--changed on the spot as those who are alive at His 2nd coming.

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Elijah was removed from office by a tornado...he died much later...

Enoch was simply removed from a situation where he would have been murdered, so he didn't see death during this event... he died later as scripture states that all men must die...

Remember scripture cannot be broken or contradict itself

 

[mmksparbud]

Elijah was removed from office by a tornado...he died much later...

Enoch was simply removed from a situation where he would have been murdered, so he didn't see death during this event... he died later as scripture states that all men must die...

Remember scripture cannot be broken or contradict itself

Please provide scripture for your statements----

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him:

 

[YSam44]

No they don't have to die first. Paul specifically said there will be some who won't die that are alive and remain at the second coming.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

These do not participate in any resurrection from the dead because they never died nor will die.

They do participate in the resurrection from physical life to immortal life...in order to do that they will momentarily die! Just as Christ died and just as it is appointed to man... v 36 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: Cannot be changed unless it die first.... even for a second... death is death even if for a second...

So those that have been sleeping are raised up with a new body... and those that are alive will die even just for a second but given a new body as well...it will be almost instant

 

[mmksparbud]

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him:

 

[YSam44]

Please provide scripture for your statements----

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him:

translated simply means "moved from one place to another" so in this event in life that Enoch evidently faced death God removed him from the situation... Remember Enoch was a minister, given some of the events in the OT he prolly was a pretty strong minister..word wise... made someone mad

again it is simple...

It is appointed unto man to die once... appointed = designated God did this not me
Scripture cannot be broken nope not going to find holes around what God designated so it must be a hole understanding
For as in Adam all die
Christ says He gives eternal life to those He chooses in order to receive that gift one must give up that which he already has... v 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened (changed); unless it die

 

[YSam44]

Heb_11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him:

translated simply means "moved from one place to another" so in this event in life that Enoch evidently faced death God removed him from the situation... Remember Enoch was a minister, given some of the events in the OT he prolly was a pretty strong minister..word wise... made someone mad

And Elijah is super simple to prove he was not carried off to the place where Gods' throne is...

again it is simple...

It is appointed unto man to die once... appointed = designated God did this not me
Scripture cannot be broken nope not going to find holes around what God designated so it must be a hole understanding
For as in Adam all die
Christ says He gives eternal life to those He chooses in order to receive that gift one must give up that which he already has... v 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened (changed); unless it die

 

[YSam44]

Elijah was removed from office by a tornado...he died much later...

Enoch was simply removed from a situation where he would have been murdered, so he didn't see death during this event... he died later as scripture states that all men must die...

Remember scripture cannot be broken or contradict itself

What? You want to see that Elijah must have died much later than the event where he was taken up by the whirlwind?

 

[mmksparbud]

Translated----moved from earth to heaven------"Not see death"----

Where are the scriptures for this:

Elijah was removed from office by a tornado...he died much later...

Enoch was simply removed from a situation where he would have been murdered, so he didn't see death during this event... he died later as scripture states that all men must die...

Remember scripture cannot be broken or contradict itself

 

[YSam44]

They do participate in the resurrection from physical life to immortal life...in order to do that they will momentarily die! Just as Christ died and just as it is appointed to man... v 36 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: Cannot be changed unless it die first.... even for a second... death is death even if for a second...

So those that have been sleeping are raised up with a new body... and those that are alive will die even just for a second but given a new body as well...it will be almost instant

Example: My dad died and has been sleeping for 30 years now... just think how long Abraham has been sleeping...
now if I am alive at Christ return... Abraham will be raised up from his sleep and put on immortality... I will just simply die for just a second and put on immortality... see i didnt sleep for any extended period of time... twinkling of an eye!