When does a human life begin?

[chnchris]

That is still not a scientific fact. You just gave definitions. They can be helpful but remember definitions and words change over time.

They are definitions straight from the dictionary based on
biology (a branch of science).

No doubt its a living organism at conception with the potential to become a human being. But at what point can we say it is a human being with feeling, nerves, etc? Cause at the moment of conception its just a tiny sperm and an egg (i won't consider that to be a human being).

If it's a living organism, what is it?
If it's not human what is it? Bird, pig, cow...?
It matters not what it feels or when it has this
or that, it is an unborn human baby in the womb
known by God (Jer 1:5)


For His Children,

chris

 

[david_x]

That is still not a scientific fact. You just gave definitions. They can be helpful but remember definitions and words change over time.
No doubt its a living organism at conception with the potential to become a human being. But at what point can we say it is a human being with feeling, nerves, etc? Cause at the moment of conception its just a tiny sperm and an egg (i won't consider that to be a human being).

You are trying to say that because it is less developed it is not human. Are babys less of humans? Are teens less human?

Or you may be trying to say that because they don't have all the same things that we do they are not human. Are amputees less human? Are babys with tay-sachs disease less than human because they are lacking some part of their brain?

 

[DZoolander]

I don't believe that life actually "begins" - at least not in the way most people talk about it. Follow me a moment here - it's a weird thing to explain...but I think it makes sense.

The mother's egg is alive. The father's sperm is alive. They merge - and from those already living entities one grows. No new life has been created. Nothing that was previously dead was animated. The baby's life is simply an extension of it's mother/father's life.

No new life has been created since the first life.

That's how I see it, anyhow.

 

[chnchris]

The mother's egg is alive. The father's sperm is alive. They merge - and from those already living entities one grows. No new life has been created. Nothing that was previously dead was animated. The baby's life is simply an extension of it's mother/father's life. No new life has been created since the first life.
That's how I see it, anyhow.

Sorry, you see it incorrectly.
When the egg and sperm unite, they create new life -
a baby, made in the image of father and mother.
It really is quite simple

 

[DZoolander]

We'll agree to disagree on that one

 

[Assisi]

I don't believe that life actually "begins" - at least not in the way most people talk about it. Follow me a moment here - it's a weird thing to explain...but I think it makes sense.

The mother's egg is alive. The father's sperm is alive. They merge - and from those already living entities one grows. No new life has been created. Nothing that was previously dead was animated. The baby's life is simply an extension of it's mother/father's life.

No new life has been created since the first life.

That's how I see it, anyhow.

This is true as long as it is still true for those of us who have grown and are now posting on this forum. That we are not a 'new life'. Nothing that was previously dead is animated, our life is simply an extension of our parents life and so on back to Adam and Eve.

In my opinion your statements holds truth only in as far as we are one community of people and the God looks upon us as such. It does not extend to meaning that one being with that corporate body may be killed.

 

[david_x]

The mother's egg is alive. The father's sperm is alive. They merge - and from those already living entities one grows. No new life has been created. Nothing that was previously dead was animated. The baby's life is simply an extension of it's mother/father's life.

sperm and egg are alive but they are actually less human than the skin you brush off your arm everyday. They each have half the genetic information needed to make an entire human.

 

[Ave Maria]

Nobody knows for sure when the fetus becomes a person. I don't know for sure and neither does anyone else, not even the Pope or some scientist. It is a disputed thing kind of like global warming. I personally choose to believe that the fetus becomes a person when it breathes its first breath. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[chnchris]

Nobody knows for sure when the fetus becomes a person. I personally choose to believe that the fetus becomes a person when it breathes its first breath. Of course, I could be wrong.

If the fetus is not a person, what animal do you think it is?

 

[Ave Maria]

If the fetus is not a person, what animal do you think it is?

Nobody ever said that the fetus is an animal. The fetus is human but that is different from being a person with rights.

 

[chnchris]

Nobody ever said that the fetus is an animal. The fetus is human but that is different from being a person with rights.

How can you call yourself a Christian and not support
the right to life of an unborn baby?! How come if a
pregnant woman is murdered, the killer is charged with
2 counts of murder?

 

[Ave Maria]

How can you call yourself a Christian and not support
the right to life of an unborn baby?! How come if a
pregnant woman is murdered, the killer is charged with
2 counts of murder?

I do support the right to life of the unborn baby. However, abortion is sometimes justified such as in rape, incest, molestation, or when the mother's life is in danger. As for when a pregnant woman is murdered the killer is charged with 2 counts of murder, that only happened to be so recently.

 

[Zosh]

I think that whether a fetus has life or not at any point, is irrelevant. See, the thing is if it's not alive, it still has the possibility of becoming life, the possibility of being. Why would you take that chance and crush it. You kill a fetus, fine, maybe it wasn't alive, but it would have been at one point, but you never gave it a chance...Now it will never experience life, and whether you think that's a good thing or not, it shouldn't be your choice to make. Honestly, i'm sure at least one of you are glad no one took that chance away from you...

And really, is it the "chance-of-life"s fault what happened to its mother? Would you go out and kill your neighbor's son if his father hurt you. How about if your neighbor's son didn't even know his father, then what? I mean, you can even put it up for adoption if you don't want to care for it, but why kill it...because it'll "hurt" or mess up your beautifull stomach...it's life & death, don't be so trivial...your life isn't the one on the line.

*when I use the term "It", it does not mean in this context that i am referring to the fetus as an object. It is easier to say it instead of he/she =). Hope this was helpful. (maybe i'll save a chance-of-life!)

 

[chnchris]

I do support the right to life of the unborn baby. However, abortion is sometimes justified such as in rape, incest, molestation, or when the mother's life is in danger. As for when a pregnant woman is murdered the killer is charged with 2 counts of murder, that only happened to be so recently.

Murder is NEVER justified!

 

[Zosh]

well, when theres war, it is....if u wanna call that murder, but if not, people dont have to call abortion murder. Not that im for it, or anything. (last post)

 

[chnchris]

well, when theres war, it is....if u wanna call that murder, but if not, people dont have to call abortion murder. Not that im for it, or anything. (last post)

Unlike the liars at Planned Parenthood who call it
" terminating a pregnancy ", i call it what it is:
the murder of an unborn baby. Maybe if people
called it what it truly is, it would stop.


For His Children

chris

 

[GrannieAnnie]

Human life....all life....begins at conception.....FULL STOP....
Any human intervention into the termination of a human life is MURDER....FULL STOP......

 

[chnchris]

Human life....all life....begins at conception.....FULL STOP....
Any human intervention into the termination of a human life is MURDER....FULL STOP......

AMEN ANNIE!!!

Pax,
chris

 

[Ave Maria]

Human life....all life....begins at conception.....FULL STOP....
Any human intervention into the termination of a human life is MURDER....FULL STOP......

Would you say that the death penalty is murder then?

 

[Diven]

That is still not a scientific fact. You just gave definitions. They can be helpful but remember definitions and words change over time.
No doubt its a living organism at conception with the potential to become a human being. But at what point can we say it is a human being with feeling, nerves, etc? Cause at the moment of conception its just a tiny sperm and an egg (i won't consider that to be a human being).

The problem is that this issue is really an issue of definition. From a scientific perspective there is adequate observations at each stage of development. At conception the being is a living organism there is absolutely no debate on this, it is a moving, respiring (not the same as breathing), sensitive, growing, reproducing (cell division), excreting, nourishing being. It also has all the genetic material to form a fully grown human being. From this I see no reason to call it anything but a living human. If you disagree we disagree on definition not on facts.

One issue which comes up is if the being has a soul. At this point we must leave the realm of science, as souls are not observed. Our facts would have to come from the Bible. Unfortunately it isn't clear either. You could look at the breathing life into Adam as a sign that a soul is created at the first breath, but this refers to a soul being breathed in not simply oxygen. You could look at the description in Psalms and about God knitting a person together in the womb, but does this mean a sole is create. You may take great care in designing a house, but it isn't your home until you move in.