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When Do the 2,520 Days of the Tribulation Take Place?

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Don't confuse tribulations which are always happening with the Tribulation of Daniel's final seven.

And don't confuse the aspect of the kingdom in terms of its outward appearance of conduct with the millennial kingdom reign when Jesus returns.

Pray on this. If you need more proof of this just ask.

Daniels final seven?

That was like 1,980 years ago.

Messiah confirmed His covenant and put an end to sin.
Then the desolation that was determined took place in 70 AD.
The bible has all the proof.

And the Kingdom of God is WITHIN us there is no 'outward' Kingdom.

Luk 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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Daniel's final seven was 1980 years ago? Don't recall anything about a 7 year period when Jesus was walking the earth. He ministered about 3 years. There was no 1260 days after that. The history records are silent about that if it were true but is God silent towards us? Of course not. Jesus was cut off after the 69th set of seven, not during the 70th seven. Obviously there is still sin. This is has not been fulfilled: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Dan. 9.24).

None of threse have happened yet. Jesus has not returned. Rev. 20.4 says the nations are still deceived. There are still wars and rumours of wars.

The kingdom of God is within Christians and has 3 aspects. Likewise the kingdom of heaven has 3 aspects (see the next post).

You've misunderstood what Jesus was saying in Luke 17. The Pharisees were looking for a Messiah who will reign with power like a king of the planet. But Jesus responded and said the kingdom is within. This is not to say there is no outward conduct aspect to the kingdom or no reigning aspect in the millennial kingdom when Jesus returns. You just don't have faith to believe this (Zech. 14.4, Jude 14,15, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7, 19.11-16). How sad for you whom you worship. Distinguish between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God (see the next post).

In 70 AD the people of the future Antichrist destroyed the 2nd Temple (Dan. 9.26).

When did Jesus "confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate"? (v.27) Antichrist makes desolate in the final seven.

Jesus is not an abomination. Shame on you!

Why will the Antichrist cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease? Because at that time he will speak blasphemously against God (see ch. 7). Since sacrifice and oblation are offered to God, he will naturally forbid them. "And upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end" (v.27b). "The wing of abominations" speaks of idols. In the temple of God the wings of the cherubim covered the ark. Yet Antichrist shall enter God’s temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thess. 2), thus having the wings of abominations. Due to this idolatry, God will permit desolations to extend for three and a half years until the end of the seventy sevens. "And that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate" (v.27c). The desolate is Jerusalem. As the end of the seventy sevens approaches, the nations shall gather to attack Jerusalem. Then shall the Lord fight for her (Zech. 14.1-6). And so shall the word of Daniel 9.24 be fulfilled.

"And forces shall stand on his part, and they shall profane the sanctuary, even the fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt-offering, and they shall set up the abomination that maketh desolate" (Dan. 11.31). How this coincides indeed with chapter 9. "I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half, and when they have made an end of breaking in pieces the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. . . . And from the time that the continual burnt-offering shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shall stand in thy lot, at the end of the days" (12.7,11-13). Here we see again the three and a half years’ time. One thousand two hundred and ninety days is thirty days more than three and a half years, and a thousand three hundred and thirty-five days is forty-five days more than one thousand two hundred and ninety days. As the three years and a half (1260 days) come to an end, the Lord Jesus will appear on earth. The thirty more days will probably be used to judge the nations (see Matt. 25.31-46), or to cleanse the sanctuary. But after another forty-five days the children of Israel will receive glory.

We should know that the sixty-ninth seven and the seventieth seven are separated by the time of grace. During the last seven the sacrifice and the oblation of the sanctuary will be restored until they are caused to cease by the Antichrist. What our Lord spoke of here refers to that period: "When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judea flee unto the mountains: let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out the things that are in his house: and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak" (Matt. 24.15-18).

Let us inquire into another prophetic passage—this time that of Paul’s—and see how it agrees with those prophecies which have just been discussed. "We beseech you, brethren, touching the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him; to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand; let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God" (2 Thess. 2.1-4). What the apostle declares in this prophetic statement is what Daniel meant by "the abomination of desolation" (in the Old Testament, the phrase "the abomination of desolation" means an idol); and we need to recall that the prophecy of the Lord Jesus likewise mentioned this point.

Daniel 9 tells us of seventy sevens, of which sixty-nine sevens have already passed but the seventieth seven is yet to come. As the last seven arrives, Antichrist will make a covenant with the children of Israel; but after three and a half years he will break the covenant and set up the idol image which is "the abomination of desolation." The last two chapters of Daniel repeat the mentioning of the setting up of this abomination (11.31 and 12.11). As we have seen, the Lord Jesus himself referred to this matter too, and so did Paul. And when we come to Revelation, we find the same thing: it records how the second beast entices people to make the image of the first beast and to worship it (13.14,15,4,8).

According to Matthew’s record of Jesus’ words, the signs of the end are (1) false Christs (24.5; cf. also v.24); (2) wars (vv.6,7); (3) famines (v.7); (4) pestilences (v.7 AV; cf. also Luke 21.11); (5) martyrs (v.9); and (6) signs in the sun, moon and stars (v.29). By comparing what Matthew’s record of Jesus’ words says with the six seals spoken of in Revelation, we can readily see the similarities. Even the order of them are the same. Moreover, Jesus in Matthew’s account speaks of the "abomination of desolation . . . standing in the holy place" (v.15), but so also does Revelation (13.14,15). In Matthew, our Lord warns the Jews that as soon as they see the idol being set up, they should flee; Revelation too describes how they run (12.6). Matthew records that Jesus says that for the sake of the elect that day will be shortened (24.22); Revelation states: "the devil . . . knowing that he hath but a short time" (12.12). Jesus in Matthew’s account states how the false christs and the false prophets shall show great signs and wonders so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect (24.24); and a similar statement is given in Revelation: "he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs" (13.14). In Matthew Jesus tells how people will look for an earthly Christ (24.26); Revelation shows how they follow an earthly beast (13.3). Finally, Matthew indicates how the Lord will come from heaven; and Revelation describes how the Lord with His army shall come out of heaven in glory and power (19.11-16).

Through the power of Satan, the Antichrist will break his covenant, cause all sacrifices and offerings to cease, and will set up the idol image—that wing of abomination—for people to worship. The false prophet will come forth to persuade people to worship the image. As soon as the image is set up, the remnant of Israel will immediately flee to the wilderness. Although Satan will use every means to destroy them, God shall take care of them during the three and a half years.
 
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The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God

[FONT=LEAPHH+TimesNewRoman]Let us review the things we have already seen previously concerning the kingdom of heaven. After the birth of Christ, there comes one who prepares the way for Him. His name is John, and he proclaims that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. The Lord, together with the apostles whom He sends forth, announce the same news. What does it mean? Later on, as noted in chapters 8 and 9, we see that the Lord heals the sick and casts out demons, and that all these are closely related to the nearness of the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5-7 speaks of the nature of the kingdom of heaven: which is, that those who belong to this kingdom are absolutely righteous towards themselves, absolutely gracious towards others, and absolutely pure towards God. In Matthew 10 we learn that the Lord sends out His apostles. And in Matthew 11-12 we see that a great transition begins occurring, as though the kingdom of heaven is now being taken away from the Jews. [/FONT]

[FONT=LEAPHH+TimesNewRoman]Now with regard to the kingdom of heaven found spoken of in Matthew 13, some interpreters have asserted that the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven are the kingdom of heaven in mystery. Such an assertion is logically unsound when it is held up against all the things which we have just seen: how that both John and the Lord as well as His disciples proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, how that the Lord then announces the nature or character of this kingdom, and how after He is rejected by the children of Israel He in the thirteenth chapter is found declaring only the outward boundary of this kingdom (what we see in this age being but the outward appearance). So that chapter 13 does not deal with the character or nature of the kingdom of heaven, for this has already been described in Matthew 5-7. [/FONT]

[FONT=LEAPHH+TimesNewRoman]Some, on the other hand, contend that all who desire to enter the kingdom of heaven mentioned in chapter 13 must possess the character of the kingdom of heaven as laid down in chapters 5-7. This interpretation again is impossible to accept, since in chapter 13 we have presented the tares, the leaven, and so forth as being in the kingdom of heaven. So that this chapter presents to us nothing but the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven. [/FONT]

The kingdom of heaven is not the millennial kingdom; it is the reigning in the millennial kingdom. Let us see that the kingdom of heaven has three different aspects.

(1)An outward appearance, boundary, or scope as is shown to us in Matthew 13.
(2)A spiritual reality, that is to say, a kind of spiritual conduct which is formed as a result of learning righteousness and grace progressively under the authority of God and which is elucidated for us in Matthew 5-7; and
(3)A reigning with Christ in the future millennial kingdom as revealed in the fact of our future reward as told to us in Matthew 5-7.

Accordingly, we must first of all enter into the sphere or boundary of this kingdom of heaven by being sons of the kingdom; then secondly, we need to have the kind of conduct described for us in Matthew 5-7 – which is to have real spiritual conduct; and lastly, as a consequence we may reign with the Lord.

Today there are three different kinds of people:
(1)those who have entered within the sphere of the kingdom of heaven and yet unsaved; these are represented by tares.
(2)those who have been saved and are in the domain of the kingdom of heaven, ye they fail to keep the teaching of Matthew 5-7.
(3) those who are saved and also keep the teaching of Matthew 5-7; they truly overcome, and therefore in the future they shall reign with the Lord in the third stage or aspect of the kingdom of heaven.

A Comparison Between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God

The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are distinguishable but are not separable. Let us consider in some detail these two descriptive phrases found in Scriptures.

(1)With certain parables Matthew employs the statement “The kingdom of heaven is likened unto . . . “; but Luke uses the words “The kingdom of God is like. . . . “ for the same parables – thus indicating that the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are one and the same. Both the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven in these parallel instances refer to the outward domain of the kingdom. On this level, it can be said that the outward appearances of both the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are alike. Parables such as that of the leaven belong to this category.
(2)Yet the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are not synonymous with respect to the second aspect of the kingdom of heaven, inasmuch as what is described in Matthew 5-7 speaks of actual overt behavior whereas “the kingdom of God is righteous and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit” (Rom. 14.17). The one stresses spiritual conduct; the other inner spiritual condition.
(3)Even so, in the third aspect of the kingdom of heaven is again similar to the kingdom of God since both refer to the matter of reigning during the millennial kingdom.

Though the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are similar as regards the first aspect, the kingdom of God covers also the time of which the prophets in the Old Testament speak – for whenever the sovereignty of God is present, His domain is there at the same time. But this characteristic is not applicable to the kingdom of heaven.

With regard to the third aspect, it is true that the kingdom of God is the same as the kingdom of heaven in that both refer to ruling with Christ in the millennium; yet the kingdom of God extends further on into eternity since in eternity God also reigns – but by that time the kingdom of heaven will have passed away. With respect to the third aspect, therefore, the kingdom of God exists longer than the kingdom of heaven.

In certain sense it can be said that the kingdom of God includes the kingdom of heaven, but not vic versa.

So far as the outward official history of the church on earth goes today, there can be said to be the Roman Catholic Church, the national churches, and the private churches. The Roman Catholic Church claims that the entire world is under her domain and that no national church is therefore allowed. The national church such as the Anglican Church asserts that every citizen of the nation belongs to the Church. But due to dissatisfaction with the national churches, there came into being the so-called private churches.

As regards to the outward sphere, as long as people say they are Christians, no one can drive them out of the kingdom of heaven; for the Lord has not promised to weed out the tares today. At communion or the Lord’s Table or the breaking of bread, however, the church may indeed weed out or separate the unsaved and the wicked from the saved ones. So that in the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven, such as in a national church, unbelieving people may be included therein, but in the sphere of the believing assembly an unsaved person may be excluded from fellowship. This clarifies the two totally different spheres: that of the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven and that of the church. Within the boundary of the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven there may be tares; but within the churches the body of Christ there is only wheat no tares.
 
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We've talked enough about the first rapture according to readiness before the first trumpet, as well as, the 7th trumpet rapture and resurrection according to completion before the bowls of wrath are poured. What about the gleaning period immediately after the 7th trumpet rapture to the time when Jesus returns? This period is 24 months and can be considered the gleaning period of further raptures and resurrections. Praise the Lord!

"When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field [think of Revelation 14.14-16], and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands. When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow. When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean[it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow [anyone saved during the last 24 months]" (Deut. 24.19-21).
 
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I am surprised by how few challengers there are to this topic:

Jesus said when Israel becomes a nation ("when his branch is yet tender," Matt. 24.32b) and enters Jerusalem ("and putteth forth leaves," v.32c), you can know the season ("ye know that summer is nigh," v.32d) when He returns even the very day ("when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, right at the door," v.33). Don't let anyone lead you astray and tell you otherwise who will misuse certain verses to follow Satan in saying you can't know. For example, Matt. 24.36 is referring to the end of the world (v.35) not to when Jesus returns. Certainly, Jesus at the right hand of the Father knows now when He will return and imparts this to us. He will return in Person with 10,000 of His saints (Jude 14,15) to reign 1000 years with a "rod of iron" after which comes the end of the world so we can know the day just not the hour (v.42).

The two Lunar Tetrads that fell on passover, tabernacles and again on passover and tabernacles in 1949/50 (6th since Christ) when Israel became a nation and 1967/68 (7th since Christ) when Israel entered Jerusalem was the first time since Christ two feast Tetrads occurred within 18 years apart, so this is the reference point to what Jesus was talking about when He told His disciples about specific cosmic signs (Luke 21.25).

Before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31) would occur three events in specific order (Rev. 6.12):

1) A great earthquake. Haiti 2010 had the second most deaths and most deaths per capita. Japan 2011 was the greatest financial loss and 5th greatest in magnitude.
2) A unique solar eclipse. The rarest type, the Hybrid H3 long-dated Nov. 3, 2013, is the 4th since Christ.
3) A unique lunar eclipse. The Total Lunar Tetrad 2014/15 is the 8th since Christ and won't happen again till 2582/83.

Unless you believe in Partial Rapture, you won't be able to perceive Rev. 6.12 correctly occurring right before the Tribulation starts.

The commencement of the building of the Temple and start of the Tribulation would begin in or right next to the 2014/15 Tetrad.

There needs be 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets (the First Rapture) to Tisha B'Av that commemorates when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. 2014-21 and 2016-23 don't fit the profile, but 2015-22 does exactly.

Hence, the First Rapture to "the throne" (Rev 7.9) according to readiness (3.10, Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36) is Sept. 14, 2015 before the first trumpet of the Tribulation is blown (8.7ff) which begins the 7 year Tribulation.

The last trumpet rapture and resurrection (1 Cor. 15.23, 1 Thess. 4.14-18, Rev. 11.15, 14.14-16, 15.2-4) is at the start of the 7th trumpet containing the 7 bowls of wrath that last 24 months. The first four trumpets are 42 months, the 5th trumpet is 5 months and the 6th trumpet lasts 13 months.

Jesus steps down on the mount of olives (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7, 19.11-16) on Tisha B'Av Sunday, Aug. 7 (Av 10), 2022. When Tisha B'Av falls on a Saturday as on Aug. 6 (Av 9), 2022 it is held the day after instead.

The likelihood of Jesus returning on Sunday is 1 in 7, and the likelihood of Tisha B'Av held over from Saturday is 1 in 7. Less than half of all seven year periods from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av work out to be exactly 2,520 days. Including also the probabilities for the Great Earthquake (1 in 2010), H3 Solar Eclipse (1 in 700) and Tetrads (1 in 100,000) in specific order (1 in 6), we come to a probability of 83 trillion to 1.
 
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I am surprised by how few challengers there are to this topic:

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Being that you do not recognize that Jesus Christ is the only true Messiah and mediator of the New Covenant prophesied by Daniel and has put an end to sin and made reconciliation, there is nothing for me to consider a challenge.

Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Heb 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


2Co 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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Being that you do not recognize that Jesus Christ is the only true Messiah and mediator of the New Covenant prophesied by Daniel and has put an end to sin and made reconciliation, there is nothing for me to consider a challenge.

Mat 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
2Co 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
I believe Jesus is the one true Messiah and mediator of the New Covenant prophesied by Daniel. I believe this so clearly you are sinning bearing false witness, along with Satan accusing the brethren day and night (Rev. 12.10).

There is not an end to sin yet and there has not been a covenant for 7 years, that is, the final seven so you are confusing the Antichrist for Jesus. You must have a very seared conscience to think that. Not only do non-Christians and the nations sin all the time, but even Christians still sin sometimes. Therefore, there has not been reconciliation of everlasting righteousness which requires the return of Jesus in Person. Your flesh doesn't appreciate this is required. You don't realize man's corrupted flesh that needs to die on the cross with Christ since you think there has been an end of sin already. As long as we are in these bodies of flesh and blood there is still the possibility of sin. We need new resurrected bodies. The cross gives us power over sin in co-death with Christ (identification) and the blood for forgiveness of sins and His resurrection to give eternal life, yet there is still sin in the world.

Jesus never made a covenant for 7 years and broke it. There is no such thing in the historical record. And that would be evil. The Antichrist makes desolate not Jesus: "and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" (Dan. 9.27). An abomination overspreading is an idol. Jesus is not for idols.

There are wars and rumours of wars still. The nations are still deceived, and Satan has not been thrown into the pit yet: "he should deceive the nations no more" (Rev. 20.3) in the millennial kingdom reign because Jesus will "cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season" (v.3). Your faith doesn't allow for this.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Dan. 9.24).

There are still transgressions.
There is still sin.
Reconciliation is not complete (Jesus first coming, but not yet His second coming nor judgment yet)
Everlasting righteousnes is not here, for the millennial reign has not started.
These visions and prophecies are not yet completed.
And there is no 3rd Temple constructed yet which has not been annointed yet.
Israel doesn't own the land to the Euphrates River yet (Gen. 15.18). In fact during the Great Tribulation Israel will be overrun for a short time and so we are not to measure the area outside the Temple since it won't be protected (Rev. 11.2).
The Antichrist will erect himself in the 3rd Temple (2 Thess. 2.4) as though he is God. I suggest to you that you will worship him since you deny he is coming to try to destroy the saints and Israel.

The regeneration of the world has not taken place yet. "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Matt. 19.28).
 
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You said yourself:

If you believe Jesus Christ is the Mediator of the Covenant then ALL of those have happened.

If you believe Jesus is the true Messiah then how do you say He did not walk the earth?
Surely you can't be that ignorant! I didn't say Jesus didn't walk the earth. So you have sinned bearing false witness but you said you never sin!? I said...

"Don't recall anything about a 7 year period when Jesus was walking the earth. He ministered about 3 years. There was no 1260 days after that. The history records are silent about that if it were true but is God silent towards us? Of course not. Jesus was cut off after the 69th set of seven, not during the 70th seven. Obviously there is still sin. This is has not been fulfilled: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Dan. 9.24).

There are still transgressions.
There is still sin.
Reconciliation is not complete (Jesus first coming, but not yet His second coming nor judgment yet)
Everlasting righteousnes is not here, for the millennial reign has not started.
These visions and prophecies are not yet completed.
And there is no 3rd Temple constructed yet which has not been annointed yet.
Israel doesn't own the land to the Euphrates River yet (Gen. 15.18). In fact during the Great Tribulation Israel will be overrun for a short time and so we are not to measure the area outside the Temple since it won't be protected (Rev. 11.2).
The Antichrist will erect himself in the 3rd Temple (2 Thess. 2.4) as though he is God. I suggest to you that you will worship him since you deny he is coming to try to destroy the saints and Israel.

I am sorry to hear you are still dead in your sin.

The covenant was not for 7 years.
LOL
Do you not know the old Mosaic Covenant is fulfilled in Jesus?
Yes. Since you agree now there was not a 7 year period for Jesus then let go of the false idea that Dan. 9.27 is referring to Jesus. Jesus is not an abomination or desolator. It's talking about the Antichrist. Hence, the 70th seven has yet to be fulfilled. Daniel 9.24 has not been fulfilled since the 70th seven is not done (nor has it started).

Why am I dead in sin? I have died on the cross with Christ and made alive with Him, my spirit touching the heavenlies. Think how evil you are that there is no more sin in the world and that you are never selfish and could never sin. Yet I caught you sinning. That is just delusional pride on your part to think you are never selfish and never sinned. As long as we are in these bodies of flesh and blood we can still err. That's reality. You don't understand the cross but have fashioned another one for yourself not of God. The cross gives us power over sin but we must appropriate it. I have died with Christ on the cross so I can put to nought the deeds of the flesh. That still requires me to put to nought. Free-choice! And I bear my cross daily overcoming the natural man which is a life long pursuit. Hence, Paul talks about spiritual and carnal Christians. Spiritual Christians appropriate the full salvation, whereas carnal Christians are still living fleshly. Both saved but one is rewarded like the 5 wise virgins. And then there is you who thinks you are sinless right after I catch you sinning. Think how evil it is to say you never sin after you just sinned.

The antichrist cannot redeem our sins.
How odd.

No antichrist can ever do such a thing.
A strange doctrine indeed.

Daniels prophecy did not concern other 'non-christian' people.

It for HIS people, those of the Covenant.
You are accusing me of claiming the Antichrist can redeem sins? How odd. Satan's accusations are so mindless, why take after him? The one you ascribe to in Dan. 9.27 as being Jesus is actually the Antichrist whose characteristics are as destroyer and an abomination. Think how evil you are to ascribe these characteristics to Jesus. You are thus trying to redeem yourself through the Antichrist.

The fulfilment of Daniel's prophecy pertains to Israel but it is context of the whole world for the world is centered on Jerusalem. It does not go unnoticed by the world. The Antichrist comes from the greater world. And he uses the world power of the United Nations and European Union. You didn't realize that? The covenant is for Israel to be the center of all nations from where Jesus will reign in the 3rd Temple. Of course, you reject this Jesus and that's sad. This won't take place until Jesus returns so all the prophecy in Dan. 9.24 haven't happened yet.

Rom 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
You quoted this verse but nowhere in this verse does it say a Christian is incapable of sinning or being selfish or that there is no more sin in the world. You are totally delusional. You don't know your own sin nature to say such evil things. There is so much sin in the world. Your conscience is seared insensitive to God that you would say that.

Daniels prophecy was to end the transgression of the OLD COVENANT harlot.
She is now a widow.
Done. Fulfilled in Christ.
Israel still transgresses. They still reject the Messiah. The harlot is the Roman the Church which is also sinful. Israel is still in dark but she is the fig tree showing her leaves as Israel is a nation again after nearly 2500 years. All of these problems still exist for Israel. "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Dan. 9.24).

Who can say Israel is experiencing everlasting righteousness and the city has been annointed or the Temple annointed? How weird that would be.

Only after Dan. 9.27 is completed will Jesus set up Israel as the center of all nations and Dan. 9.24 fulfilled. The Holy City is not annointed as there is still fighting and wars. Your conscience is dead to this, because it is not quickened by the Holy Spirit through regeneration by receiving new birth. You would need to give your life to Christ and not worship a false Christ. Jesus warned us about many such false Christs.

I am washed, crucified with Christ. Freed from sin.
Fulfilled in Christ.
Yet you are sinning by misreading God's word. It takes an arrogant man to say he could never sin and never has sinned since being saved. No Christian would say that. You mock Jesus for Peter was saved yet Jesus corrected his sinful conduct. Paul corrected the Corinthians for their carnality though they were saved.

You are a living lie. I sense your pride in thinking you have never sinned.

Jesus Christ is Come in my flesh.
I have been given judgment.
Jesus came in your flesh? Weird. Jesus doesn't dwell in a person's flesh. Again your false view is a sin. Jesus comes in the likeness of flesh and died on the cross for the sins of the world. He does not dwell in man's flesh. He is at the right hand of the Father. You are so wrong.

The judgment seat for believers hasn't happened yet. You are delusional. Nor has the Great White Throne for the unsaved. Everything you say is so wrong. Yet you never sin you say? Funnny. Pathetic.

It started at His Resurrection.
Jesus is the Resurrection.
Everlasting righteousness entails Jesus reigning for 1000 years on earth. Clearly that did not happen at the resurrection. Jesus first came with authority, but when He returns He will do so with power and reign with a rod of iron. Since you worship another Jesus who will not do this that makes me sad for you. Dan. 9.26 already addresses Jesus being cut off for people. It doesn't mean Dan. 9.24 is all fulfilled for there is still sin and transgressions. Since Dan. 9.27 hasn't happened yet only then will Dan. 9.24 be fulfilled. The evil nature of the one in Dan. 9.27 is not the same person in dan. 9.26.

1Co 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2Jn 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
I believe Jesus came in the flesh so how does that help you with your quoting 2 John 1.7?

Don't confuse 1 Cor. 3.16 as being mutually exclusive with 2 Thess. 2.4, "so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" and Rev. 11.2, "but do not measure the court outside the temple".

Shewing is outwardly shown to the people making a spectacle. Notice it is a sitting in the Temple of God and not our body that is to be treated as a temple. You're mixing contexts. The court is a physical court of the 3rd Temple.

Suffice it to say the Antichrist is coming and everything you have suggests you will accept him as your lord and savior. Think about it. Since you deny him coming when he comes you will be deceived by him.
 
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When you see the 3rd Temple construction begin in the next few years I pray you will have a change of mind. Since you think 2 Thess. 2.4 and Rev. 11.2 are referring to the temple our bodies and not the physical Temple, when construction begins on the 3rd Temple this will produce conflict in your heart that what you have believed for so long is false.

Hopefully you don't rationalize the 3rd Temple away as being irrrelevant for Jesus will return to reign in the 3rd Temple for 1000 years. Do you accept this Jesus of the Bible?
 
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I believe Jesus came in the flesh so how does that help you with your quoting 2 John 1.7?
John did not say Came in the flesh.

This is a present tense after Jesus had Come at Pentecost into the body of believers. The presence of Jesus in flesh is present tense.

Jesus Christ is Come in the flesh, my flesh. I am His Wife the New Jerusalem.

Every spirit that confesses NOT He IS Come in this flesh, this is an antichrist.
 
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John did not say Came in the flesh.

This is a present tense after Jesus had Come at Pentecost into the body of believers. The presence of Jesus in flesh is present tense.

Jesus Christ is Come in the flesh, my flesh. I am His Wife the New Jerusalem.

Every spirit that confesses NOT He IS Come in this flesh, this is an antichrist.
You said and let me quote you very specifically, "Jesus Christ is Come in my flesh." No Christian has ever said such a thing. What a heresy!

Jesus dwells peoples' flesh? How strange that would be. The flesh is defined as sin of the body and selfishness of the soul. It is also the outer soft part of our physical body. God doesn't dwell in man's sinful flesh. His nature is holy and indwells only that which is made pure the regenerated spirit of man. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in flesh. Spirit communicates with spirit and indwells spirit not flesh. The verdict of the flesh is death. It cannot be refined, improved or fixed. Jesus does not dwell in that which is to die on the cross with Christ.

When the Holy Spirit came down at Pentecost Jesus was at the right hand of the Father. He did not "Come at Pentecost". And the Holy Spirit specifically indwells the new spirit of eternal life given in the believer. Not the flesh. Satan tries to operate through the flesh and you think the person spoken of Dan. 9.27 is Jesus. The person spoken of in Dan. 9.27 is the Antichrist (abomination of desolation and destroys doing Satan's will). Here we see whom you worship.

Jesus is not here in the flesh right now. He is at the right hand of the Father. The Holy Spirit doesn't indwell flesh but spirit. You're confusing the 2nd Person with the 3rd Person of the Trinity as well so you are not a Trinitarian. Jesus will return to reign in Person at the end of the Tribulation and Daniel's final seven. Obviously, you don't have faith to believe God can do this.

The Bible says Jesus came in the likeness of flesh, for obviously He is not fleshly since Jesus is sinless. Flesh is sin of the body and selfishness of the soul.

Jesus Christ has not "Come in the flesh, my flesh" as you say. You are not His wife the New Jerusalem, for the New Jerusalem has as its pillars all the resurrected-saved.

You're confusing the structure which is the New City (1479 miles x 1479 miles with walls 216 feet high, see Rev. 21) that believers will be in with God and the Lamb at the center thereof and the resurrected-saved who will be the inhabitants of the New City.

Jesus came in the flesh, that is He, He was born in the likeness of flesh through Mary, grew up and ministered for 3 years then died on the cross for the sins of the world and was resurrected the 3rd day and raised up the 40th day from Sunday. He is not in your flesh. You're delusional.

Jesus is not in anyone's flesh. What a weird idea that is. Demons try to inhabit souls and evil spirits try to operate through man's flesh. Since you worship a demon or evil spirit "in your flesh" you can know this is not Jesus for Jesus would never indwell the flesh. Demons are disembodied spirits that seek to "come in your flesh." One of them went into the serpent. Jesus cast them into the swine. They prefer to possess man's flesh though the most.

Jesus "come in the flesh" is not saying Jesus is "in my flesh" as you say. You are twisting the Scriptures. Not everyone who says Jesus has "come in the flesh" is a child of God if by "come in the flesh" they weirdly mean that Jesus is in your flesh. You're in some weird cult.

My prayers go out to you for you know not what you do.
 
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So based on this prophetic word to discern when the first rapture, Tribulation, 7th trumpet resurrection and Jesus steps down on the mount of olives take place, what is the first sign leading up to these events aside from the unique earthquake, solar and lunar eclipse?

Of course, it is the 3rd Temple. When Israel tears down the Dome on the Rock and begins building the the 3rd Temple. That's when you know within a year or two the first rapture according to readiness takes place and the 7 year Tribulation commences.

Praise the Lord!
 
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I should say what will happen even before the commencement of the construction of the 3rd Temple is US Dollar Index will collapse to less than 10% of its 120 handle back in 2002.

The reference in Rev. 18 where ship merchants weep because they can no longer sell their goods to such a rich nation though can be applied to USA with their collapsing Dollar it's directed at Rome (with its 7 hills) which is centered in Italy as representative of the entire European Union of 27+ countries, the largest and most powerful one nation state on the planet with GDP far exceeding even that of USA.

Revelation 8 and 17.16 talks about how the Vatican (political Rome) will be nuked in the first half of the 7 year Tribulation. And political Rome (Rev. 18) will be destroyed in the last 1260 days of the Tribulation.

Religious Rome Destroyed in the First Half of the 7 Year Tribulation

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot [Roman Church], and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire" (Rev. 17.16) for she makes drunk the nations with the wine of the wrath of her fornications (Rev. 14.8). The only solution to her is destruction. She is a Jezebel. As it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8.8). Rome is near the sea. "There fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp [nuclear missile]" (Rev. 8.10).

Political Rome Destroyed in the 2nd Half of the 7 year Tribulation

"And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate" (Rev. 18.19). The EUR/USD will continue to rise to such exceeding levels the Euro countries can buy any goods very cheaply. She is very rich but when that nuke hits Rome all bets are off. The world will never be the same.

And in one hour the US Dollar would collapse into worthlessness as hard as they have tried to produce a controlled decline the past decade. The collapse of the US Dollar precedes by some years the nuclear bomb over the Vatican. Iran has the capability even now to send a nuclear missile to blow up the Vatican. The president of Iran believes he is the one who must usher in Armageddon in order to bring about their 12th Imam their Mahdi or Messiah. He won't nuke Israel because Jerusalem contains their 3rd most holiest site, but of course, Israel will tear down the Dome on the Rock to begin construction on the 3rd Temple.

YouTube - ‪Jim Rogers on Glenn Beck Show 06/09/11‬‏
 
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I am surprised by how few challengers there are to this topic:

Jesus said when Israel becomes a nation ("when his branch is yet tender," Matt. 24.32b) and enters Jerusalem ("and putteth forth leaves," v.32c), you can know the season ("ye know that summer is nigh," v.32d) There needs be 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets (the First Rapture) to Tisha B'Av that commemorates when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. 2014-21 and 2016-23 don't fit the profile, but 2015-22 does exactly.

Hence, the First Rapture to "the throne" (Rev 7.9) according to readiness (3.10, Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36) is Sept. 14, 2015 before the first trumpet of the Tribulation is blown (8.7ff) which begins the 7 year Tribulation.

The First Rapture will occur on Pentecost, not the Feast of Trumpets.....Pentecost is an early summer harvest feast. The Feast of Trumpets is a fall feast.

You need to start by learning the difference between "first fruits" and a harvest.
 
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The First Rapture will occur on Pentecost, not the Feast of Trumpets.....Pentecost is an early summer harvest feast. The Feast of Trumpets is a fall feast.

You need to start by learning the difference between "first fruits" and a harvest.
No. The first four feasts pertain to Jesus' first coming. On Pentecost the Holy Spirit came down to indwell the spirit of 5000 believers. The last three feasts pertain to Jesus' second coming.

You need to learn the difference between firstfruits and the later harvest. Jesus is called the firstfruits for He is the first to resurrect. Later at His second coming is the later harvest (parousia lasts 7 years of which many events occur).

The first rapture is a firstfruit (Rev. 14.1-5). There is also a later harvest (vv.14-16) for the last trumpet rapture and resurrection.

According to the timetable given by God and well proven in the opening post, the first rapture according to readiness is Sept. 14, 2015 on Feast of Trumpets. The 2,520th day is Tisha B'Av Aug.7, 2022 when Jesus steps down. The only 2,520 day period that ever fits is from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av. God gives us these indicators of two 1260 day periods combined that make up Daniel's final seven (7 x 360) as the 1260 days is mentioned many times throughout the Scriptures.

The later harvest rapture and resurrection is according to completion (and not readiness) and is at the start of the 7th trumpet which is Aug. 18, 2020, give or take a day, that leaves 24 months of the bowls of wrath (3rd woe). We are not appointed unto wrath.

Once you know the start of the Tribulation which is the day of the first rapture all the other days are easy to figure out.

There are advanced parties and harbingers in every sphere.

What was interesting to me as I was figuring this out being led by the Holy Spirit to do so was that all I started with was the Tetrads (signs in the heavens), and it could easily have broken down at any number of points. For example, if there was no great earthquake or unique solar eclipse in proper order just prior to the Trib starting, or if there was not two key dates for the 2,520 days, or if Jesus didn't return on a Sunday (for it is all about the cross and resurrection), necessarily held over from a Saturday Tisha B'Av all of this would have failed. In fact, I was expecting it would not work, but each time I was greatly surprised that it fit like a glove.

Picture me there with the Sept. 14, 2015 date (Feast of Trumpets at the end of the 2014/15 Tetrad) and praying to God if this is true then the 2,520th day has to fall on a significant date. Low and behold! What greater date than Tisha B'Av to commemorate when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed that breaks God's heart for the Son of Man will reign in the Temple for 1000 years in Person on earth yet men even ancient Israel rejected this (hence the destruction of the Temple). Many do not have faith to believe this because they worship another masquerading as our Lord. But God promises the 3rd Temple will never be destroyed (2 Thess. 2.4, Rev. 11.2) which is about to be built soon after the Dome on the Rock is torn down.

If there was not 2300 days from the first day inspection of the lamb April 18, 2016 to Aug. 7, 2022 it would also fail. If the 30 days then 45 days more (total 75 days) did not fall on after the 3 lasts feasts were done it would also fail. The 75th day is Oct. 21, 2022 which happens to be the 4th day inspection of the lamb from Simchat Torah amazingly. Feast of Trumpets is Sept. 26, 2022. Day of Atonement is Oct. 5, 2022. And Tabernacles begins Oct. 10, 2022 which runs for 7 days.

The Feast of Tabernacles is from Oct. 10 to Oct. 16, 2022. The two holidays follow the second which is Simchat Torah when the items of the Ark of the Covenant are taken out and the Torah Scrolls read. Oct. 18 is Simchat Torah. Oct. 18, 19, 20, 21 is a 4 day inspection for Jesus to reign. From the 1260th day which is Tisha B'Av to the 1290th day is 30 days for Jesus to judge the nations when He returns (Matt. 25.31-46). 45 days more to the 1335th day to set up Israel as the center of all nations which takes place on Oct. 21, 2022. Wow! Praise the Lord! Millennial reign begins Oct. 22, 2022.

There is even 1260 days for the Two Witnesses from April 18, 2016 to Sept. 30 Feast of Trumpets 2019. After the 1260 days of the first half of the Tribulation, the second half begins Feb. 25, 2019 (5th trumpet, 1st woe). 5 months later is the start of the 2nd woe (6th trumpet) on July 25, 2019.

As you can see it all fits like a glove. But you won't understand if you are a Roman Catholic (or other historicist) or belong to popular protestant denominations, or if you are a posttribber onlyists or even a pretribber onlyists (since first rapture is according to readines, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10). You would need to believe in partial rapture.

Hence, the problem is most people misread the book of Revelation and thus, lose the blessing in Rev. 1.3.
 
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You said and let me quote you very specifically, "Jesus Christ is Come in my flesh." No Christian has ever said such a thing. What a heresy!

Jesus dwells peoples' flesh? How strange that would be.
not so fast...some people teach this.

Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

Ezekiel 36:26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
"Now let us get these statements clear in our minds. John declares an antichrist to be one who denies that Jesus is the Christ, which is denying the Father and the Son. But how does he do this? BY NOT CONFESSING JESUS CHRIST HAVING COME IN THE FLESH! But what does this mean? It states that we know the Spirit of God by His confessing Jesus Christ having come in the flesh. Does this mean that Roman Catholicism is the Spirit of God? It confesses that Jesus Christ was a man, born of a virgin. It confesses that He came in the flesh as a babe in Bethlehem. They even parade Him before the world hanging on a cross, crucified. Millions of others around the world, representing every kind of religion and false cult existing, including the Moslem, admit the same historical facts. Do all of these represent the Spirit of God?

These verses must have a deeper meaning! It is not considering the fact of Jesus Christ having lived on earth as a man. Anyone will admit that. But the profound truth which all of popular religion has missed, is the fact of the Christ actually coming into this flesh, my flesh, your flesh, and becoming an eternal and inseparable part of us! "And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ IS (now) COME in the flesh is not of God: and THIS is that spirit of antichrist... you are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is HE THAT IS IN Y-O-U, than he that IS IN the world" (I Jn. 4:3-4). Every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ I-S come in the flesh - is antichrist! Why? BECAUSE: Greater is He that IS IN YOU (your flesh), than he (the spirit of antichrist) that IS IN the world!

"Christ lives IN ME," Paul wrote in Gal. 2:20. Again in Col. 1:27 he wrote, "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory." THIS is the Christ Who has come in the flesh: He that IS IN YOU, and will never leave nor forsake you (Heb. 13:5). And this is eternal life: being joined eternally and inseparably to God by means of the Christ within. This is the Christ from Whose love no power nor creature in heaven or under heaven can separate us (Rom. 8:35-39). John declares, "Beloved, now are we the Sons of God" (I Jn. 3:2). And Paul adds, "And because you are Sons, God has SENT FORTH THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON INTO YOUR HEARTS. Wherefore you are no more a servant, but a Son" (Gal. 4:6-7). THIS is the Christ that IS come in the flesh!"
google (I can't post links yet)

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so there are some people who teach this.
 
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not so fast...some people teach this.

Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

Ezekiel 36:26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Not so fast. You're misreading these verses. To give a new heart and a new spirit regenerated by the Holy Spirit is not Jesus in the flesh but your old spirit quickened and a spriit of eternal life. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. God never indwells the flesh. The flesh is sinful and its only verdict is death. God only dwells what is made holy, spirit with spirit. There are no Christians who believe Jesus is in our flesh unless they are deceived even demonically possessed. And to give a heart of flesh is to soften one's heart. Nothing about Jesus in the flesh. So clearly you are misreading God's word. Don't do that! Rev. 22.18,19.

1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

"Now let us get these statements clear in our minds. John declares an antichrist to be one who denies that Jesus is the Christ, which is denying the Father and the Son. But how does he do this? BY NOT CONFESSING JESUS CHRIST HAVING COME IN THE FLESH! But what does this mean? It states that we know the Spirit of God by His confessing Jesus Christ having come in the flesh. Does this mean that Roman Catholicism is the Spirit of God? It confesses that Jesus Christ was a man, born of a virgin. It confesses that He came in the flesh as a babe in Bethlehem. They even parade Him before the world hanging on a cross, crucified. Millions of others around the world, representing every kind of religion and false cult existing, including the Moslem, admit the same historical facts. Do all of these represent the Spirit of God?

These verses must have a deeper meaning! It is not considering the fact of Jesus Christ having lived on earth as a man. Anyone will admit that. But the profound truth which all of popular religion has missed, is the fact of the Christ actually coming into this flesh, my flesh, your flesh, and becoming an eternal and inseparable part of us! "And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ IS (now) COME in the flesh is not of God: and THIS is that spirit of antichrist... you are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is HE THAT IS IN Y-O-U, than he that IS IN the world" (I Jn. 4:3-4). Every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ I-S come in the flesh - is antichrist! Why? BECAUSE: Greater is He that IS IN YOU (your flesh), than he (the spirit of antichrist) that IS IN the world!
Jesus came in the flesh, that is, He walked among us nearly 2000 years ago. In no way shape or form should you construe this to mean that Jesus is in a person's flesh. How silly. That is really twisting the Scriptures. Why worship a false Christ?

When we say Jesus came in the flesh we are not just saying some person came in the flesh but God Himself walked among us, that is, the 2nd Person of the Trinity. Other faiths reject this. Other faiths even try to make their Jesus indwell the flesh. When Jesus is on earth reigning for 1000 years He is not in a person's flesh. How absurd! When Jesus at the center of the New City in eternity future, He is not in man's flesh but interacting with us in Person. Many do not have faith to believe Jesus will be in Person again so they spiritualize or allegorize Jesus into living in sinful flesh. It is simply a faithless teaching.

You're trying to insert some other meaning because you go your own way without the Holy Spirit and that's sad Guided by your flesh you imagine Jesus in your flesh, but this is just delusional to selfishly do as your please and claim Jesus is guiding you. Do Muslims or other faiths believe Jesus is God? No, of course not.

You've inserted the word "now" to try to claim Jesus in the flesh, but that is a horrific meaning for God doesn't dwell in what has the verdict of death. "This is how we know if they have the Spirit of God: If a person claiming to be a prophet acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in a real body, that person has the Spirit of God" (1 John 4.3).

Greater is He that is in you--this does not mean Jesus is in our flesh. It means that the Holy Spirit is indwelling our spirit by our receiving eternal life and the Holy Spirit resting in that new spirit. The flesh has died on the cross with Christ in those who are born-again. So you have the spirit of antichrist because you worship a false Christ one who allegedly indwells the flesh. But we know that is what demons do. Demonic spirits are disembodied spirits that seek to indwell the flesh, and Satan and his fallen angels seek to gain strongholds in the mind of your flesh.

"Christ lives IN ME," Paul wrote in Gal. 2:20. Again in Col. 1:27 he wrote, "Christ IN YOU, the hope of glory." THIS is the Christ Who has come in the flesh: He that IS IN YOU, and will never leave nor forsake you (Heb. 13:5). And this is eternal life: being joined eternally and inseparably to God by means of the Christ within. This is the Christ from Whose love no power nor creature in heaven or under heaven can separate us (Rom. 8:35-39). John declares, "Beloved, now are we the Sons of God" (I Jn. 3:2). And Paul adds, "And because you are Sons, God has SENT FORTH THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON INTO YOUR HEARTS. Wherefore you are no more a servant, but a Son" (Gal. 4:6-7). THIS is the Christ that IS come in the flesh!"
Christ lives in me Paul says by the Holy Spirit as the Spirit indwells the spirit, spirit touches spirit, spirit communicates with spirit; and the life of the Father and the Son is the Spirit. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father so you misunderstand what Paul was saying because you don't have the Spirit of Truth in you. That same Spirit of holiness that was in Jesus is now in believers. So don't think Jesus Himself who is at the right hand of the Father is in a Christian's outer body. Don't believe Satan's lies. "God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts" NOT "the Son into your hearts." How can you have a relationship with Jesus if you don't even know where He is and ascribe to Him attributes that do not belong to Him. The Spirit indwells the believer not Jesus and the Holy Spirit doesn't indwell sinful flesh. That which is born of flesh is flesh and its only verdict is death. Would a Holy God ever indwell sinful flesh? Of course not.

You're worshiping a false Christ. My prayers go out to you. You take the position it seems you are just quoting what others think, but you shouldn't do that if you don't believe it, but state you disagree with them rather than being coy.

so there are some people who teach this.
No Christians teach Jesus is in our flesh. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father and indwells our spirit by the Holy Spirit. He Himself the Lord Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. People believe all kinds of weird things and worship all kinds of different false Christs. Doesn't make them right.
 
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When I say it is no longer I that live but Christ in me I am not saying Jesus who is at the right hand of the Father is in my flesh nor am I saying Jesus is in my spirit. We have a spirit, soul and body. The Holy Spirit indwells the believer's spirit (innerman) for spirit touches spirit, not the soulical body (outerman). Satan works from outer to inner but God works from inner to outer. Christ who lives in me does so by the Holy Spirit for the Holy Spirit is the life of the Father and the Son in the Triune Godhead or Trinity, co-equal and co-inerherent. He direct and guides me in all things.

The reason why the holy annointing oil is never poured upon the flesh is because the Holy Spirit has no place there. The only verdict for the flesh is death so allow your flesh to die on the cross with Christ instead of usurping yourself by claiming Jesus is in your flesh.

As the Spirit affects our spirit, our spirit communicates this to our soul and in turn our soul to our body. We are tripartite beings (Heb. 4.12, 1 Thess. 5.23). What we can know in our spirit can be understood in our soul. Think of our spirit as a mistress, the soul as the steward and the body the servant. The mistress directs to the steward and the steward instructs the servant to carry it out. This is why it is always important to keep your spirit fresh and new by the word of God, the sword of the Spirit.

The Spirit makes the cross real to us, and the cross can not perform its work without the Holy Spirit. And unless you know the laws and functions of your spirit and soul, how they differ, how can you walk by your spirit since you are unable to distinguish these two distinct elements within you? You would often confuse the voice of the spirit with the rough sensations of your soul and body.

Hope this helps. Learn about the dividing of spirit, soul and body which will alleviate your confusion.
 
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No. The first four feasts pertain to Jesus' first coming. On Pentecost the Holy Spirit came down to indwell the spirit of 5000 believers. The last three feasts pertain to Jesus' second coming.

No, Pentecost is a harvest feast. Jesus was the first friuts of a resurection, guaranteeing a harvest. That would be the dead in Christ rising first and we who are alive and remain will be caught up TOGETHER to meet the Lord in the air. The first harvest is the barley and wheat grain harvest...........Pentecost.




You need to learn the difference between firstfruits and the later harvest. Jesus is called the firstfruits for He is the first to resurrect. Later at His second coming is the later harvest (parousia lasts 7 years of which many events occur).

No, Jesus was the first fruits guaranteeing a summer harvest. The first fruits happen in the same season as the harvest.





The first rapture is a firstfruit (Rev. 14.1-5). There is also a later harvest (vv.14-16) for the last trumpet rapture and resurrection.

No, the first rapture is the first harvest, guaranteed by Jesus the first fruit of that harvest.



Once you know the start of the Tribulation which is the day of the first rapture all the other days are easy to figure out.


The first rapture will occur during Pentecost, not the Feast of Trumpets, so, you don't have a good starting point.............KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NEAR.........NOT FALL.





As you can see it all fits like a glove. But you won't understand if you are a Roman Catholic (or other historicist) or belong to popular protestant denominations, or if you are a posttribber onlyists or even a pretribber onlyists (since first rapture is according to readines, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10). You would need to believe in partial rapture.

Hence, the problem is most people misread the book of Revelation and thus, lose the blessing in Rev. 1.3.

Since I am none of those, I understand what you are missing. No, not a partial rapture..........two harvests and two seperate first fruits guaranteeing two seperate harvests.
 
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The first harvest is only the first harvest which has been accomplished. But He also guaranteed the other. The first rapture is the firstfruits rapture which is at the start of the Tribulation: the Feast of Trumpets "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) before the first trumpet of the Tribulation commences (8.7ff).

All scholars recognize Pentecost was accomplished nearly 2000 years ago. The 7 feasts have meaning and purpose. The last 3 feasts pertain to His second coming. Don't misuse Matt. 24.32 simply because Feast of Trumpets is in the fall. The summer spoken of is not a physical summer but the millennial kingdom summer. Yes, it is a partial rapture at Rev. 7.9 with 12.5 and 14.1-5 as we read in Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10 are "conditional statements" for the first rapture is according to readiness. So though a Christian is saved and can never lose eternal life, he can yet lose the reward of the first rapture if alive on that fateful day as well as lose the reward of returning with Jesus to reign for 1000 years with 10,000 of His saints (Jude 14,15).

The firstfruit of Jesus' resurrection precedes the harvest at Pentecost for the indwelling Holy Spirit in believers. The second firstfruits is that of Rev. 14.1-5 that precedes an even greater harvest (1 Thess. 4.14-18) at the last trumpet. Notice 6000 years x 24 hours a day equals 144,000. Once this pinnacle is reached parousia commences that lasts 7 years. What follows is the millennial kingdom summer lasting 1000 years.

Two firstfruits and two harvests. Praise the Lord!
 
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