When did the interbreeding between the created species (of man) and the evolved species?

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I agree, BUT here is what Scripture actually says:

57 reply: Scripture doesn't quite say what you say it says.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

What day was the Earth made? According to Gen 1:10, it was the 3rd day. Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth;

57 reply:...well, my bible say's...."In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void"
That happened 2 days prior to day 3.
Later God created order and filled the void.


5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Plants herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd day.
Gen 1:12 A
nd the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

57 reply: Yes, they did...day 3.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

57 reply: Yes. day 6.

Were the trees made AFTER Adam was made? According to the next verses:

57 reply: The tree of life was made on day 6. Verse 8 talks about God creating a garden on day 6...NOT...creating every plant...those OTHER plants were created on day 3

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

57 reply: 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden;
Day 3 God created plants....LATER (not day 3) God planted a garden. Why are you so confused.


According to Genesis 1 and 2, man (Adam) was formed BEFORE the plants, herbs, and trees which GREW on the 3rd day, no matter what ANY denomination teaches. Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 tells us that Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" on the 6th day. IOW, they were both born again on the 6th Day. Amen?

57 reply: Adam was around prior to God planting the garden.

Day 3 God created plants all over the world.....day 6 God planted a garden. Why are you so confused on this?
 
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I agree, BUT here is what Scripture actually says:

57 reply: Scripture doesn't quite say what you say it says.

Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

What day was the Earth made? According to Gen 1:10, it was the 3rd day. Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth;

57 reply:...well, my bible say's...."In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void"
That happened 2 days prior to day 3.
Later God created order and filled the void.


Please explain what an Earth that is formless and empty looks like . To me, it looks like unformed ground or dust. In fact, that is what the word earth (ground) means in Hebrew. What is shown is that God (Trinity) speaks and air, ground and then water, the creation elements, come into the physical world, but darkness or death is upon them since there is NO physical God to form or shape these three elements into physical form.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Lord God is the God who will form or shape these 3 creation elements. He is the Light of the 1st Day and today we call Him Jesus. He is also the Light of Heaven. Rev 21:23 Jesus shaped the air, dust and water into physical form. Jhn 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

Plants herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd day.
Gen 1:12 A
nd the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God (Trinity) saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

57 reply: Yes, they did...day 3.

Amen, and they were His kind (Jesus kind). God (Trinity) is an invisible Spirit but YHWH/Jesus is the only God ever formed physically. He tells us this in Isa 43:10 and says: "before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me." Is Jesus God? Of course He is. Did He come to Earth as a man? Of course He did. Jesus Christ IS God incarnate, the ONLY God ever formed physically. YHWH and Jesus are the SAME.

7 And the Lord God (
Jesus) formed man (Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

57 reply: Yes. day 6.

Not so since Adam was "created" by God (Trinity) on the 6th Day. Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 He was formed of the dust by physical Hands of the Lord God (Jesus) on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and Trees.

Were the trees made AFTER Adam was made? According to the next verses:

57 reply: The tree of life was made on day 6. Verse 8 talks about God creating a garden on day 6...NOT...creating every plant...those OTHER plants were created on day 3

Not so since Gen 2:9 shows that every tree including the Tree of Life were made on the 3rd Day.

8 And the Lord God (
Jesus) planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

57 reply: 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden;
Day 3 God created plants....LATER (not day 3) God planted a garden. Why are you so confused.

I'm not since Gen 2:4-9 agrees with Gen 1:12 which shows that plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. They were NOT formed by God (Elohim, a Plural Name) but by Lord God (Jesus-a Singular Name)

According to Genesis 1 and 2, man (Adam) was formed BEFORE the plants, herbs, and trees which GREW on the 3rd day, no matter what ANY denomination teaches. Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 tells us that Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" on the 6th day. IOW, they were both born again on the 6th Day. Eve was NOT made until the 6th Day Gen 2:22 AFTER the beasts of the field and birds which Adam named. Gen 2:19

57 reply: Adam was around prior to God planting the garden.

Day 3 God created plants all over the world.....day 6 God planted a garden. Why are you so confused on this?

Because Scripture does NOT say that. What it says is that Adam was formed by the Hands of Jesus on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and Trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day. What you are trying to show is the SAME mistake made by ancient Jewish Theologians and which by tradition, has been taught for thousands of years, BUT it does NOT agree with what the Holy Spirit actually wrote in Genesis. Amen?
 
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Please explain what an Earth that is formless and empty looks like . To me, it looks like unformed ground or dust. In fact, that is what the word earth (ground) means in Hebrew. What is shown is that God (Trinity) speaks and air, ground and then water, the creation elements, come into the physical world, but darkness or death is upon them since there is NO physical God to form or shape these three elements into physical form.

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Lord God is the God who will form or shape these 3 creation elements. He is the Light of the 1st Day and today we call Him Jesus. He is also the Light of Heaven. Rev 21:23 Jesus shaped the air, dust and water into physical form. Jhn 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

Plants herbs and trees GREW on the 3rd day.
Gen 1:12 A
nd the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after His kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after His kind: and God (Trinity) saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

57 reply: Yes, they did...day 3.

Amen, and they were His kind (Jesus kind). God (Trinity) is an invisible Spirit but YHWH/Jesus is the only God ever formed physically. He tells us this in Isa 43:10 and says: "before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me." Is Jesus God? Of course He is. Did He come to Earth as a man? Of course He did. Jesus Christ IS God incarnate, the ONLY God ever formed physically. YHWH and Jesus are the SAME.

7 And the Lord God (
Jesus) formed man (Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

57 reply: Yes. day 6.

Not so since Adam was "created" by God (Trinity) on the 6th Day. Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 He was formed of the dust by physical Hands of the Lord God (Jesus) on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and Trees.

Were the trees made AFTER Adam was made? According to the next verses:

57 reply: The tree of life was made on day 6. Verse 8 talks about God creating a garden on day 6...NOT...creating every plant...those OTHER plants were created on day 3

Not so since Gen 2:9 shows that every tree including the Tree of Life were made on the 3rd Day.

8 And the Lord God (
Jesus) planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

57 reply: 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden;
Day 3 God created plants....LATER (not day 3) God planted a garden. Why are you so confused.

I'm not since Gen 2:4-9 agrees with Gen 1:12 which shows that plants, herbs and Trees GREW on the 3rd Day. They were NOT formed by God (Elohim, a Plural Name) but by Lord God (Jesus-a Singular Name)

According to Genesis 1 and 2, man (Adam) was formed BEFORE the plants, herbs, and trees which GREW on the 3rd day, no matter what ANY denomination teaches. Gen 1:26 and Gen 5:1-2 tells us that Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" on the 6th day. IOW, they were both born again on the 6th Day. Eve was NOT made until the 6th Day Gen 2:22 AFTER the beasts of the field and birds which Adam named. Gen 2:19

57 reply: Adam was around prior to God planting the garden.

Day 3 God created plants all over the world.....day 6 God planted a garden. Why are you so confused on this?

Because Scripture does NOT say that. What it says is that Adam was formed by the Hands of Jesus on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants, herbs and Trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day. What you are trying to show is the SAME mistake made by ancient Jewish Theologians and which by tradition, has been taught for thousands of years, BUT it does NOT agree with what the Holy Spirit actually wrote in Genesis. Amen?

You must do better.
Day 3 God created plants.
Day 6 God created man.
On day 6 somewhere east of where God created Adam, God made a garden called Eden. You confuse this with the plant creation of day 3. God created plants in this garden...then put Adam there.
 
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So, none of the writers, inspired by God, presented a theistic evolution view. Not one.
Yeshua, Jesus (God incarnate), is never recorded as expressing a theistic evolution. Wouldn't one expect the Creator, Himself, to share that data when He spoke about events regarding Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel?
People are free to believe as they wish, but creating a theory from the Bible with no evidentiary support makes it rather empty of merit.
 
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So, none of the writers, inspired by God, presented a theistic evolution view. Not one.
Yeshua, Jesus (God incarnate), is never recorded as expressing a theistic evolution. Wouldn't one expect the Creator, Himself, to share that data when He spoke about events regarding Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel?
People are free to believe as they wish, but creating a theory from the Bible with no evidentiary support makes it rather empty of merit.

Genesis 1:25 does NOT speak of evolution BUT it does speak of changes within His and Their kinds. Unbelievers dreamed up the false ToE in a vain attempt to eliminate God from His Creation. Notice the difference between God's kinds (Their/Trinity kinds) and Jesus kinds (His kinds).

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after His kind, (Jesus made) and cattle after Their kind, (Trinity created) and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after His kind: (Jesus made) and God (Trinity) saw that it was good.

The above explains the genetic differences observed by scientists which were shown in Genesis and which totally refute the False ToE.
 
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You must do better.
Day 3 God created plants.
Day 6 God created man.
On day 6 somewhere east of where God created Adam, God made a garden called Eden. You confuse this with the plant creation of day 3. God created plants in this garden...then put Adam there.

Below is the correct chronology, Scripturally:

Day 1, God makes air, dust and water which was apart from Him, thus it was subject to the darkness or death. Then He speaks and YHWH/Jesus, the Light comes into the physical world to defeat the darkness. Gen 1:1-3
Day 2, God makes the firmament or boundary of Adam's world, places it in the midst or middle of water, showing that it was totally self-sufficient. Gen 1:6-8
Day 3, God takes water from under the firmament and puts it in the firmament and dry ground on top to make a Flat Earth. Gen 1:10 Lord God/Jesus makes Adam and then makes plants, herbs, rain and trees. Jesus also makes other HeavenS, the present 2nd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven. Gen 2:4-9
Day 4, Adam watches as the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos are lit. Gen 1:16
Day 5, God creates "every living creature that moveth" from water. Gen 1:21
Day 6, Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds which Adam names. Gen 2:19 Then Eve is made from Adam's rib, Gen 2:22 Adam sins, and is banished from the presence of God. Gen 3:6 Cain kills Abel and THEN, Adam and Eve (mankind) is "created" in God's Image or in Christ Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2

This brings us to the present time on the present 6th Day because God is STILL creating mankind in His Image. Gen 1:27 Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of future events which will not happen until Jesus returns to this Planet and changes ALL living creatures into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7

THEN God will say it is very good, Gen 1:31 death is destroyed, 1Co 15:26 and God rests from ALL of His work on the 7th Day Gen 2:1-3 which has no end since it is Eternity. Amen?
 
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Below is the correct chronology, Scripturally:

Day 1, God makes air, dust and water which was apart from Him, thus it was subject to the darkness or death. Then He speaks and YHWH/Jesus, the Light comes into the physical world to defeat the darkness. Gen 1:1-3
Day 2, God makes the firmament or boundary of Adam's world, places it in the midst or middle of water, showing that it was totally self-sufficient. Gen 1:6-8
Day 3, God takes water from under the firmament and puts it in the firmament and dry ground on top to make a Flat Earth. Gen 1:10 Lord God/Jesus makes Adam and then makes plants, herbs, rain and trees. Jesus also makes other HeavenS, the present 2nd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven. Gen 2:4-9
Day 4, Adam watches as the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos are lit. Gen 1:16
Day 5, God creates "every living creature that moveth" from water. Gen 1:21
Day 6, Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds which Adam names. Gen 2:19 Then Eve is made from Adam's rib, Gen 2:22 Adam sins, and is banished from the presence of God. Gen 3:6 Cain kills Abel and THEN, Adam and Eve (mankind) is "created" in God's Image or in Christ Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2

This brings us to the present time on the present 6th Day because God is STILL creating mankind in His Image. Gen 1:27 Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of future events which will not happen until Jesus returns to this Planet and changes ALL living creatures into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 and Isa 11:7

THEN God will say it is very good, Gen 1:31 death is destroyed, 1Co 15:26 and God rests from ALL of His work on the 7th Day Gen 2:1-3 which has no end since it is Eternity. Amen?

You're the only person I have EVER responded to that believes that false chronology.
 
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You're the only person I have EVER responded to that believes that false chronology.

Amen, but TRY to refute it. You cannot since it ALSO agrees with every discovery of Science and History AND it totally destroys the False Theory of Evolution. It's God's Truth, the One Truth, which can only be known by the people of the last days BEFORE Jesus returns to this Earth:

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 
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Amen, but TRY to refute it. You cannot since it ALSO agrees with every discovery of Science and History AND it totally destroys the False Theory of Evolution. It's God's Truth, the One Truth, which can only be known by the people of the last days BEFORE Jesus returns to this Earth:

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Your theology has been extremely easy to refute.
 
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Day 1, God makes air, dust and water which was apart from Him, thus it was subject to the darkness or death. Then He speaks and YHWH/Jesus, the Light comes into the physical world to defeat the darkness. Gen 1:1-3

Major mistake. Yeshua, or Jesus, was the first physical thing. All of creation
came through him. When God spoke, that was not the Father, but the Son.
 
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Major mistake. Yeshua, or Jesus, was the first physical thing. All of creation
came through him. When God spoke, that was not the Father, but the Son.

Doesn't agree with other Scripture which shows that the Light or Day, which began AFTER the darkness/death was upon everything God brought into the physical world. Gen 1:2 It's Jesus' incarnation or Image of the invisible God coming into the physical world. BEFORE Jesus came into the world, He was inside the invisible Spirit of God as God the Son. Jesus IS God and always has been. Jesus is ALSO the Light in the 3rd Heaven. Rev 21:23

Jesus took the 3 creation elements SPOKEN into the physical by "God" and shaped them and molded them into physical things. He also gave life or breath to the living creatures. Remember that the earth or ground was "without form and empty". Jesus is the Great Potter and our cosmos is His handiwork. Jesus IS Lord.
 
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Doesn't agree with other Scripture which shows that the Light or Day, which began AFTER the darkness/death was upon everything God brought into the physical world.

What is darkness? Nothing in itself, it
is the absence of light. There was no
death, decay or destruction in creation
until after Adam sinned. All of that is
entirely a response to those questioning
God due to Satan's tricks.

Was it truly perfect? YES.

If evolution is correct, then why...?
It isn't, so the question is moot.

As for Jesus:

Colossians 1:15 Firstborn of all creation

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

All things include the earth and the universe itself.
 
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Was Cain the first to interbreed with another pocket of evolved humanity, when it says he ran away to a far country,

He ran away to the land of Nod on the east of the garden of Eden. He married and produced children with one of the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric people). Like Cain, Noah's grandsons, on today's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry, so they married and produced today's Humans, with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived 11k years ago. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

*** Did Cain take his wife from one of the evolved pockets of humanity, and was he the first to begin interbreeding between a created species, with an evolved species, and other sons and daughters of Adam & Eve, interbred later on? (when they encountered other pockets of growing evolved humans)...

The sons of God were "created" by the Trinity but Humans were NOT. That's WHY we MUST be born again Spiritually, eternally, since Jesus made us from the dust of the ground to which we must return. Gen 2:7 God's plan is working perfectly since today, there are some 7 Billion Humans, with the ability to believe God, or not, which should be enough to fill Heaven.
 
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Does it go against your Religion?

I have shown in the past where your so-called theology contradicts the bible..as well as main stream Baptist theology. I really wish you would remove "Baptist" from your faith considering what you present isn't the Baptist view and gives them a black eye with your heretical view.
 
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I have shown in the past where your so-called theology contradicts the bible..as well as main stream Baptist theology. I really wish you would remove "Baptist" from your faith considering what you present isn't the Baptist view and gives them a black eye with your heretical view.

Who died and made you the judge? Your problem is that you cannot refute me Scripturally scientifically nor historically. All you do is call me names and imply that I'm wrong because you don't like me. I'm an Independent Baptist saved in a Tent Revival led by Brother Lester Roloff and proud of it.
 
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I have shown in the past where your so-called theology contradicts the bible..as well as main stream Baptist theology. I really wish you would remove "Baptist" from your faith considering what you present isn't the Baptist view and gives them a black eye with your heretical view.

Who died and made you the judge? Your problem is that you cannot refute me Scripturally scientifically nor historically. All you do is call me names and imply that I'm wrong because you don't like me. I'm an Independent Baptist saved in a Tent Revival led by Brother Lester Roloff and proud of it.
 
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Who died and made you the judge? Your problem is that you cannot refute me Scripturally scientifically nor historically. All you do is call me names and imply that I'm wrong because you don't like me. I'm an Independent Baptist saved in a Tent Revival led by Brother Lester Roloff and proud of it.

I've already refuted your view on several occasions. Tell me, why are you the only person in the world who believes your cultist like view? The Baptist certainly don't.
 
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