When did the 10 Commandments Begin

[Guojing]

It is clear to me but not to you it seems. The key word is "justified"...

Clear to you that we are no longer under Law?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Clear to you that we are no longer under Law?

I said what the key word is...

 

[Guojing]

I said what the key word is...

The last verse that I used clearly stated that a Christian is not under the law.

You want to disagree with that?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

But we have Jesus's finished work on the cross, while they did not.

I thought that was already established in Romans and Galatians. Did you miss it?

That is far from the point. We are talking about your interpretation of Romans 5:13 and 14. You interpret that verse to mean that nobody was held accountable for since because the law was given to Moses. So I am asking you about the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. We they not held accountable for their sins. This is the 4th time I am asking.

 

[Guojing]

That is far from the point. We are talking about your interpretation of Romans 5:13 and 14. You interpret that verse to mean that nobody was held accountable for since because the law was given to Moses. So I am asking you about the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. We they not held accountable for their sins. This is the 4th time I am asking.

Paul was making the point that people after Adam still died even though their Individual sins were not imputed to them.

Why did they die then? Because they sin in Adam. Adam’s disobedience was imputed to them.

So those in sodom and g died because of Adam sin. I didn’t realise I had to explain even that to you. Is that a clear enough answer for you?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Paul was making the point that people after Adam still died even though their Individual sins were not imputed to them.

Why did they die then? Because they sin in Adam. Adam’s disobedience was imputed to them.

So those in sodom and g died because of Adam sin. I didn’t realise I had to explain even that to you. Is that a clear enough answer for you?

Nope, that is wrong. If they died because of Adam's sin, why did God single them out out of everybody else he destroyed. Plus, that is clearly not what the bible says because the bible explains clearly why they were destroyed. Are you not accept the reason given in scripture?

 

[Guojing]

Nope, that is wrong. If they died because of Adam's sin, why did God single them out out of everybody else he destroyed. Plus, that is clearly not what the bible says because the bible explains clearly why they were destroyed. Are you not accept the reason given in scripture?

If you don't want to accept Paul's reasoning in Romans 5:12-13 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:", that is fine by me.

But please don't claim I have not answered your question.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Paul was making the point that people after Adam still died even though their Individual sins were not imputed to them.

Why did they die then? Because they sin in Adam. Adam’s disobedience was imputed to them.

So those in sodom and g died because of Adam sin. I didn’t realise I had to explain even that to you. Is that a clear enough answer for you?

That is silly. We suffer the consequence of Adam's sin (death) but we are not born guilty of it

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The last verse that I used clearly stated that a Christian is not under the law.

You want to disagree with that?

Read it again...the key word is justified". Sin is the transgression of the law. We are no longer under the curse.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

If you don't want to accept Paul's reasoning in Romans 5:12-13 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:", that is fine by me.

But please don't claim I have not answered your question.

Why you believe that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by Adam's sin when the bible CLEARLY tells us they were destroyed because of their own iniquity?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

That is silly. We suffer the consequence of Adam's sin (death) but we are not born guilty of it

Its extremely ridiculous. If God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of Adam's sin which was imputed to them, why didn't he destroy every single individual since we all have fallen because of Adam's sin.

 

[Guojing]

Read it again...the key word is justified". Sin is the transgression of the law. We are no longer under the curse.

If we are no longer under the law, naturally we won’t be under the curse of breaking the law.

You want the latter but not the former even though both are mentioned in that Galatians? Be my guest then

 

[Guojing]

That is silly. We suffer the consequence of Adam's sin (death) but we are not born guilty of it

If you don’t get this part, then likewise as romans 5:12-19 is saying, you won’t fully get what imputed righteousness from Jesus death burial and resurrection really meant.

 

[Guojing]

Its extremely ridiculous. If God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of Adam's sin which was imputed to them, why didn't he destroy every single individual since we all have fallen because of Adam's sin.

In case you have forgotten, we are now in the grace dispensation where God the father is long suffering, not willing that any should perish...

But when the rapture of the church happens, you will see God pouring his wrath once again on the earth

 

[PROPHECYKID]

In case you have forgotten, we are now in the grace dispensation where God the father is long suffering, not willing that any should perish...

But when the rapture of the church happens, you will see God pouring his wrath once again on the earth

So before the "Grace Dispensation" God wanted people to perish. So God changed?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If we are no longer under the law, naturally we won’t be under the curse of breaking the law.

You want the latter but not the former even though both are mentioned in that Galatians? Be my guest then

then you believe there is no sin

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

But when the rapture of the church happens, you will see God pouring his wrath once again on the earth

You mean the resurrection and 2nd coming?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If you don’t get this part, then likewise as romans 5:12-19 is saying, you won’t fully get what imputed righteousness from Jesus death burial and resurrection really meant.

I know exactly what it means. It says what I said "through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned". Death was the consequence of Adam's sin.

 

[Guojing]

I know exactly what it means. It says what I said "through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned". Death was the consequence of Adam's sin.

God saw us as sin because of Adam as our federal head, sinned. This is independent of what we do.

Much more now, God sees us as righteous because we received what Jesus our new federal head, did on the cross. This is again independent of our actions.

As in many things, understanding n our heart is very different from just remembering the words

 

[Guojing]

So before the "Grace Dispensation" God wanted people to perish. So God changed?

God wanted to provoke the Jews to jealousy, thus thru Christ dbr, made it very easy for us gentiles to be saved, romans 9-11 has the details