What's your philosophy for Hell? Hell only?

[Gadarene]

Wrath is one of Gods many attributes, also justice, mercy, love, compassion, holiness, faithfulness, and so on.
If you have a child, do you not correct him? If you love that child you will. If through out that child's life, you did your best to love him , teach him right from wrong , explained to him that wrong actions have consequences, and followed through with correction when he deliberately CHOSE to disobey, then you did what a good parent does. If in spite of raising him this way, he grew into the kind of young man who decides that you are wrong , he can do whatever he wants, and proceeds to do just that, someday , finds himself in jail, or worse, does that make you a bad parent?

Oooh parental analogies, these are fun!

And what happens if you then arbitrarily decide, "right, enough of that", and light the kid on fire?

 

[pamsight]

No, you just misrepresented a vast swathe of people.

It's not like false testimony is wrong or anything like that.

Believe but not follow, apparently.

As we all are. Have a gold star.

You are very hateful and sarcastic . I'll do us both a favor from now on, and stay out out your threads. Best of luck to you

 

[Gadarene]

You are very hateful and sarcastic . I'll do us both a favor from now on, and stay out out your threads. Best of luck to you

Calling you on your double standards and disagreeing with you is hateful now?

Cry my a river - someone gets offended over being disagreed with and calls it hateful while saying that people need to be sent to hell for eternity for a disagreement! Can't get much more hateful than that, and one more hypocrisy to add your list

You want to claim that not only is hell morally right and necessary but you, someone who thinks that, have a better angle on morals that we do, and then whinge when you get mild sarcasm back? Wow.

 

[Gottservant]

Is it so difficult?

Well, apparently.

Ask the Devil, he's terrified of even trying.

 

[Gottservant]

Well said my friend and like the wiseman said, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
Now if our liberal friends could just grasp this .,.

Ah Solomon! I'm sure he was the inspiration behind this one.

As he said earlier than Abraham Lincoln "Even a fool is considered wise, when he keeps his peace" Proverbs 17:28

I understand, moreover, if you want to avoid getting heated over this exercise, by refusing to give place to the more unprincipled in this thread.

But I say by faith that you've said a prayer, over them. They can't be sure what you'll do, if you do that.

 

[Skavau]

Wrath is one of Gods many attributes, also justice, mercy, love, compassion, holiness, faithfulness, and so on.

I'm not trying to snark but stating that one of God's attributes is "faithfulness" seems a bit strange. What is he specifically faithful in? He knows everything.

I'd also critique the attribute of "holiness". I've never quite worked out what that one is supposed to mean.

If you have a child, do you not correct him? If you love that child you will.

Sure.

Though in my case if God is my father (working with your analogy here) then he's yet to inform me. I'm entirely unaware of his involvement in my life.

If through out that child's life, you did your best to love him , teach him right from wrong , explained to him that wrong actions have consequences, and followed through with correction when he deliberately CHOSE to disobey, then you did what a good parent does.

Which is what? I'm not sure what you're getting at here with God. People who you would say "disobey" God, don't love God, don't listen to his instructions don't believe he exists. To them there is no-one there to love, no-one's edicts to follow. The analogy is ineffective.

If in spite of raising him this way, he grew into the kind of young man who decides that you are wrong , he can do whatever he wants, and proceeds to do just that, someday , finds himself in jail, or worse, does that make you a bad parent?

Are you saying that under God people who go to hell just find themselves there?

 

[Gottservant]

Oooh parental analogies, these are fun!

And what happens if you then arbitrarily decide, "right, enough of that", and light the kid on fire?

There is spiritual fire, and there is actual fire.

Do you know the difference if you confuse the two for the sake of tormenting one of God's children?

Why not try it, with yourself?

 

[Gadarene]

There is spiritual fire, and there is actual fire.

Do you know the difference if you confuse the two for the sake of tormenting one of God's children?

Why not try it, with yourself?

Well, I do know that we consider people who light their children on any kind of fire to be lousy parents, and don't let them have any further say in how the children should be raised.

(This is usually the point where the Christian who tendered the laughable parental analogy starts backtracking furiously, so whenever you're ready)

 

[Gottservant]

Calling you on your double standards and disagreeing with you is hateful now?

A contradiction is a weakness, not a failing.

And you and God both know you did not refer to burning a child alive, by way of polite comment.

Cry my a river - someone gets offended over being disagreed with and calls it hateful while saying that people need to be sent to hell for eternity for a disagreement! Can't get much more hateful than that, and one more hypocrisy to add your list

The real dispute is that you don't really know what you are saying. As you demonstrate following.

You want to claim that not only is hell morally right and necessary but you, someone who thinks that, have a better angle on morals that we do, and then whinge when you get mild sarcasm back? Wow.

Sarcasm is never mild.

Someone without principle has no morals.

You have already invoked human sacrifice at a young age, and you obviously have no intention of confessing immediately, so do you think it is safe to assume that better angle on morals than you, is at least possible given what you've said so far?

I thought so.

If you can't call Hell Hell, that is where you end up. When you end up there with no way to change your mind, you will remember Heaven told you so.

 

[Skavau]

I am surely not alone here in not knowing what Gottservant is talking about.

Right?

 

[Gottservant]

Well, I do know that we consider people who light their children on any kind of fire to be lousy parents, and don't let them have any further say in how the children should be raised.

(This is usually the point where the Christian who tendered the laughable parental analogy to start backtracking furiously, so whenever you're ready)

What are you, the Law?

You think because you backtrack yourself that you automatically have the right to expect the same of me?

I think you are confused, what you said was moral. There is no need to backtrack from a moral.

Or were you trying to imply that spiritual fire, is a crime?

I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable by any account of the criminal that I am aware of.

 

[Skavau]

What are you, the Law?

You think because you backtrack yourself that you automatically have the right to expect the same of me?

I think you are confused, what you said was moral. There is no need to backtrack from a moral.

Or were you trying to imply that spiritual fire, is a crime?

I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable by any account of the criminal that I am aware of.

Setting people on fire spiritually should probably be a crime.

Not sure we've ever had an incident of it though.

 

[Gottservant]

I am surely not alone here in not knowing what Gottservant is talking about.

Right?

Unless you can use words I use, you are either mute or mad.

Giving up at the first complication, is no excuse to be laughable at someone else's expense.

 

[Gottservant]

Setting people on fire spiritually should probably be a crime.

Not sure we've ever had an incident of it though.

Empty word.

 

[Gadarene]

A contradiction is a weakness, not a failing.

It's both, and people like you and pamlight have their fair share!

And you and God both know you did not refer to burning a child alive, by way of polite comment.

Aw diddums, are you feeling offended? Join the club - now you're getting the idea about what we think of your beliefs.

The real dispute is that you don't really know what you are saying. As you demonstrate following.

Coming from you - not really bothered, I have to say

Sarcasm is never mild.

You're SO wrong.

Someone without principle has no morals.

You have already invoked human sacrifice at a young age, and you obviously have no intention of confessing immediately, so do you think it is safe to assume that better angle on morals than you, is at least possible given what you've said so far?

You think using something as a hypothetical example means I need to confess to it?

Way to project, by the way. I extended the analogy that was applied to your religion. That is what your religion entails - not my problem.

I thought so.

If you can't call Hell Hell, that is where you end up. When you end up there with no way to change your mind, you will remember Heaven told you so.

If people like you and pamlight are supposed to be optimal for attaining salvation, then Yahweh is a troll.

 

[Skavau]

Unless you can use words I use, you are either mute or mad.

Giving up at the first complication, is no excuse to be laughable at someone else's expense.

No excuse to be laughable at someone else's expense? Huh?

Do you mean no excuse to laugh at another's expense? Or are you saying that my confusion with what you're saying makes me laughable and it is at their expense and as of such I have no excuse?

Still confused, by the way.

 

[Gadarene]

What are you, the Law?

You think because you backtrack yourself that you automatically have the right to expect the same of me?

I have not backtracked.

I think you are confused, what you said was moral. There is no need to backtrack from a moral.

Sometimes you accidentally a sentence.

Or were you trying to imply that spiritual fire, is a crime?

The way Yahweh is supposed to dish it out? Certainly immoral.

I'm sorry, but that is not reasonable by any account of the criminal that I am aware of.

Again, I'm not really too concerned what you think about this - you aren't one of god's brightest lights, it would seem.

 

[Gadarene]

I am surely not alone here in not knowing what Gottservant is talking about.

Right?

I don't think Gottservant knows what Gottservant is talking about, frankly.

 

[Rajni]

Wrath is one of Gods many attributes, also justice, mercy, love, compassion, holiness, faithfulness, and so on.
If you have a child, do you not correct him? If you love that child you will. If through out that child's life, you did your best to love him , teach him right from wrong , explained to him that wrong actions have consequences, and followed through with correction when he deliberately CHOSE to disobey, then you did what a good parent does. If in spite of raising him this way, he grew into the kind of young man who decides that you are wrong , he can do whatever he wants, and proceeds to do just that, someday , finds himself in jail, or worse, does that make you a bad parent?

What parent would punish their child for eternity?

Well, apparently

I must hang out with a different crowd, as I've got a different impression.

Ask the Devil, he's terrified of even trying.

And I also don't make a habit of communicating with the devil.

 

[Gottservant]

If people like you and pamlight are supposed to be optimal for attaining salvation, then Yahweh is a troll.

Walking off at the end of a post, doesn't count as a complete post.