What's the use of faith alone?

[d taylor]

You have a common misunderstanding eternal life is not free

Free is mentioned 8 times in Romans . In ever passages the term is supported by the context of Romans 1 through 8 in the English language as being untethered from something. Ex the horse was set free from the barn..

In Romans it's referring to salvation that is not tethered to the law of works under the old covenant.

So the free gift eternal life is not obtained through the works of the law (free from the law not tethered to the law but to tethered by faith in what Jesus taught.

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You can take you belief up with Paul, i am not wasting time with your nonsense.

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

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You can take you belief up with Paul, i am not wasting time with your nonsense.

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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You can take you belief up with Paul, i am not wasting time with your nonsense.

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

To support my position that the free gift eternal life mentioned in Romans is not free without cost . I will direct you to Pauls own words . The same book that you interpret as teaching eternal life is free. Is the same book that says if you ( that's the born again believer) live after the flesh you will die. Rom 8 13( That's eternal death). And again rom 11.22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
if thou (that's the born again believer)continue in his goodness: otherwise thou (the born again Believer)also shalt be cut off.

Do you see that word cut off.

If eternal were free as you say then Paul would not be telling born again believer they were in danger of being cut off

My position is supported by Paul's own writings

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

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You can take you belief up with Paul, i am not wasting time with your nonsense.

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So I did take it up with Paul and he supports my position

 

[timothyu]

True because some resurrect to damnation jon 5.

Yes, second death.

 

[d taylor]

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Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
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And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

Yes, second death.

Correct but for the overcomes the second death has no power rev 2.11 and 20.6

 

[d taylor]

To support my position that the free gift eternal life mentioned in Romans is not free without cost . I will direct you to Pauls own words . The same book that you interpret as teaching eternal life is free. Is the same book that says if you ( that's the born again believer) live after the flesh you will die. Rom 8 13( That's eternal death). And again rom 11.22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
if thou (that's the born again believer)continue in his goodness: otherwise thou (the born again Believer)also shalt be cut off.

Do you see that word cut off.

If eternal were free as you say then Paul would not be telling born again believer they were in danger of being cut off

My position is supported by Paul's own writings

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Live and Let Die (Romans 8:13) – Grace Evangelical Society

The Death/Life Option – Grace Evangelical Society

Romans 8 A Concise Commentary, page 13

 

[Radagast]

If you have faith and it is alone what is the use of it?

The traditional view from the Protestant Reformation is "we are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone."

There seems to be some strawmanning going on here.

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

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Live and Let Die (Romans 8:13) – Grace Evangelical Society

The Death/Life Option – Grace Evangelical Society

Romans 8 A Concise Commentary, page 13

Thank you for the other opinions.however there are misconception in the other views.

Ex in this statement quote

Third, 7:7-24 and 8:1-12 demonstrate the possibility of a regenerate person living after the flesh. Not once does Paul imply that the one who lives according to the flesh will not get into the kingdom.

In Eph 5 Paul does imply that believers who walk in the flesh will not inherit the kingdom as well as gal 5.

In Ephesians 1.11believers aquire an inheritance but that inheritance is revoked in Eph 5.5

Keeping in mind who he is writing to in 5.1 in (be you therefore followers) the (you )are the born again Believers.

He warns those born again Believers not to return to fornication ( walking in the flesh). And if they do their inheritance is revoked and will not enter the kingdom Eph 5 .5

So they have a common theological modern misunderstanding that has been taught

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The traditional view from the Protestant Reformation is "we are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone."

There seems to be some strawmanning going on here.

If it is a straw-man then it is sourced from James 2:14-17.

 

[d taylor]

Thank you for the other opinions.however there are misconception in the other views.

Ex in this statement quote

Third, 7:7-24 and 8:1-12 demonstrate the possibility of a regenerate person living after the flesh. Not once does Paul imply that the one who lives according to the flesh will not get into the kingdom.

In Eph 5 Paul does imply that believers who walk in the flesh will not inherit the kingdom as well as gal 5.

In Ephesians 1.11believers aquire an inheritance but that inheritance is revoked in Eph 5.5

Keeping in mind who he is writing to in 5.1 in (be you therefore followers) the (you )are the born again Believers.

He warns those born again Believers not to return to fornication ( walking in the flesh). And if they do their inheritance is revoked and will not enter the kingdom Eph 5 .5

So they have a common theological modern misunderstanding that has been taught

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Interesting that you are using "inheritance" the way you are using it.

Inheritance is not the same as entering, inheritance is used in The Bible just as it is used in today understanding. Which is connected to family members receiving an inheritance from their father (or family).

So as a person who becomes a believer at the very moment of belief in Jesus. Who is now a permanent born again child of God their Father. They enter into the family of God and are now eligible to receive an inheritance. From God their Father, that is if they live a fruitful and obedient life as a born again child of God.

But if they go the opposite way with their life and live a worldly life, bringing shame to their Father (God) then they will lose or forfeit the inheritance (reward) God has waiting for them.

Inhertance has noting to do with a person losing their Eternal Life or whatever you are trying to make it out as to support your beliefs.

 

[d taylor]

alone?

You've got to be kidding.

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You might want to direct this statement to God and voice your objects to His way He has given for people to receive His free gift of Eternal Life by belief in Jesus.

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

If it is a straw-man then it is sources from James 2:14-17.

If it is a straw-man then it is sources from James 2:14-17.

If you go back and read all my post you will see I've address all this. The traditional views from the start of the reformation has always been Saved by faith alone means saved without having to follow all the man made rules for salvation made by Luthers superiors the Catholic doctrine of the day which consisted of worshiping relic,celebacy,selling indulgences, pilgrimages confession booth,praying to saints ECT.luther was inundated daily with all these regulation set by men and not the founders. So he threw them over board declaring a man is saved without the deeds of the Roman Catholic church but by only having faith in Christ and following( which following is a work) his teachings not the teaching of the Catholic doctrine of the day..


So to be crystal clear saved by faith alone does not exempt a follower from following the teaching of Jesus

2 tim let ever man who named the name of Christ let him Depart from iniquity 2 .19.

Again nat 16.24 if any made come after ne he must first deny himself take up his cross and follow me

The phrase (he must first) is absolutely a requirement Jesus establish for salvation to occur

And that is work , following is work ,denying is work

It's undeniable from 2.13 the doers of the law shall be justified .

Do you see these words only And only doing justifies a man

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

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Interesting that you are using "inheritance" the way you are using it.

Inheritance is not the same as entering, inheritance is used in The Bible just as it is used in today understanding. Which is connected to family members receiving an inheritance from their father (or family).

So as a person who becomes a believer at the very moment of belief in Jesus. Who is now a permanent born again child of God their Father. They enter into the family of God and are now eligible to receive an inheritance. From God their Father, that is if they live a fruitful and obedient life as a born again child of God.

But if they go the opposite way with their life and live a worldly life, bringing shame to their Father (God) then they will lose or forfeit the inheritance (reward) God has waiting for them.

Inhertance has noting to do with a person losing their Eternal Life or whatever you are trying to make it out as to support your beliefs.

Eternal life is the inheritance. Proof 1 pet 1.4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Again 1 John 2 .25 The Promise Is Eternal Life
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

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Interesting that you are using "inheritance" the way you are using it.

Inheritance is not the same as entering, inheritance is used in The Bible just as it is used in today understanding. Which is connected to family members receiving an inheritance from their father (or family).

So as a person who becomes a believer at the very moment of belief in Jesus. Who is now a permanent born again child of God their Father. They enter into the family of God and are now eligible to receive an inheritance. From God their Father, that is if they live a fruitful and obedient life as a born again child of God.

But if they go the opposite way with their life and live a worldly life, bringing shame to their Father (God) then they will lose or forfeit the inheritance (reward) God has waiting for them.

Inhertance has noting to do with a person losing their Eternal Life or whatever you are trying to make it out as to support your beliefs.

Eternal life is the inheritance.

1 Peter 1.4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Again 1 John 2.25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

The promise is the inheritance

And many other places

 

[Dan Perez]

So I did take it up with Paul and he supports my position

And can you please say John 1 :1 or do you mean 1 John 1:1 ??

dan p

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

And can you please say John 1 :1 or do you mean 1 John 1:1 ??

dan p

Sorry 1st John 2.25

 

[The Truth John 1.1]

And can you please say John 1 :1 or do you mean 1 John 1:1 ??

dan p

Which post are u referring to. I did have 1 John 2.25 in my reply to inheritance

 

[Dan Perez]

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Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”
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And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

And I have met two that believe that the EARTH is FLAT , and I will present a verse for your considation , only .

In ISA 40:22 says , He THAT SITTED / YASAB , DEFINITE ARTICLE PARTICLE , in the QAL , in the SIGNULAR ABSOLUTE

THE CIRCLE / HOG , in the SIGNULAR

OF THE EARTH / ERES , in the SIGNULAR ABSOLUTE .and not trying to make fun , at ALL .

dan p

 

[d taylor]

And I have met two that believe that the EARTH is FLAT , and I will present a verse for your considation , only .

In ISA 40:22 says , He THAT SITTED / YASAB , DEFINITE ARTICLE PARTICLE , in the QAL , in the SIGNULAR ABSOLUTE

THE CIRCLE / HOG , in the SIGNULAR

OF THE EARTH / ERES , in the SIGNULAR ABSOLUTE .and not trying to make fun , at ALL .

dan p

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A circle is not a sphere. circle at DuckDuckGo