What's the use of faith alone?

[Xeno.of.athens]

Falls somewhat short of a Biblical demonstration of your personal assertion.

That's off topic.

 

[Clare73]

What use is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
Jas 2:14 LSB

Are you deliberately conflating counterfeit faith (which does not obey) with true faith (which obeys)?

 

[Clare73]

That's off topic.

Have you checked the title of this thread?

Feel free to Biblically demonstrate the error of Eph 2:8-9:

"You have been saved through faith. . . ---it is the gift of God--- not by works, so that no one can boast."

 

[Tuur]

So many words to avoid an answer.

All those words is the answer.

Riddle me this: If salvation is through works alone, how is it the Son of God died on the cross for us?
Riddle me this as well: If we believe on Jesus Christ, how can our lives show no evidence of that?

 

[Clare73]

Faith is never alone

True (saving) faith is never alone.

Counterfeit faith can be alone.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

All those words is the answer.

Riddle me this: If salvation is through works alone, how is it the Son of God died on the cross for us?
Riddle me this as well: If we believe on Jesus Christ, how can our lives show no evidence of that?

Read what I've written and stop putting words into my posts!

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Are you deliberately conflating counterfeit faith (which does not obey) with true faith (which obeys)?

Stop it! Stop inserting absurd theology into the bible.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Have you checked the title of this thread?

Feel free to Biblically demonstrate the error of Eph 2:8-9:

"You have been saved through faith. . . ---it is the gift of God--- not by works, so that no one can boast."

No. NO thanks. No chance of getting an off topic cycle going.

 

[Yarddog]

No, one need not answer that. Saint James answers it and that ought to be enough.

What use is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead by itself.
James 2:14-17 LSB

It's nice that you post the verses that show that faith is not alone. James and what I said are in complete agreement.

 

[timothyu]

To have faith and do nothing with it, is pure selfishness, the original sin.

 

[timothyu]

So sorry you feel the word of God in Eph 2:8-9 is a trope.

God by grace gave us a second chance at life after we served the original death penalty. It is available to all, but not free to all.

 

[Clare73]

No. NO thanks. No chance of getting an off topic cycle going.

Any ole' port in a storm. . .

Q.E.D.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

It is a convenient false doctrine for those not interested in obeying any of the other Christian doctrines.

Ephesians 2 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

God's Word is a false doctorine to you?

 

[Tuur]

Read what I've written and stop putting words into my posts!

I responded to your initial post in good faith. I've pointed out that someone who has faith in Christ will put that faith into action, just as Abram put his faith in God into action, but faith in works instead of Christ will fail.

I'm sorry that you find my replies offensive. That being the case, I suggest that you click on my avatar, and under more "More Options" select ignore.

 

[ARBITER01]

If you have faith and it is alone what is the use of it?

Well Noah built an ark based on faith.

 

[timothyu]

Well Noah built an ark based on faith.

True, but He also did as God commanded.. something where today the second commandment is failed,

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I responded to your initial post in good faith. I've pointed out that someone who has faith in Christ will put that faith into action, just as Abram put his faith in God into action, but faith in works instead of Christ will fail.

I'm sorry that you find my replies offensive. That being the case, I suggest that you click on my avatar, and under more "More Options" select ignore.

no, you didn't. The OP says

If you have faith and it is alone what is the use of it?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It's nice that you post the verses that show that faith is not alone. James and what I said are in complete agreement.

Well, brother, it would be very nice to notice that I replied to your post that claims that "first" we need to define faith, and we do not need to do that. And saint James' point is that faith can exist apart from works but if and when it does it is useless.

 

[Yarddog]

Well, brother, it would be very nice to notice that I replied to your post that claims that "first" we need to define faith, and we do not need to do that.

You first replied to my post saying, "Faith is never alone". You said "Saint James did not think that was so."

You then post scripture showing James agreeing with my post.
"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead by itself."

We need to define it so we can see how each person, not scripture, believes faith is.

And saint James' point is that faith can exist apart from works but if and when it does it is useless.

James point wasn't that faith can exist, in Jesus, apart from works isn't faith. Just claiming you have faith isn't good enough. Satan knows that Jesus is real, but he has no faith in Jesus. Satan's works prove he doesn't have faith.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

You first replied to my post saying, "Faith is never alone". You said "Saint James did not think that was so."

You then post scripture showing James agreeing with my post.
"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead by itself."

We need to define it so we can see how each person, not scripture, believes faith is.


James point wasn't that faith can exist, in Jesus, apart from works isn't faith. Just claiming you have faith isn't good enough. Satan knows that Jesus is real, but he has no faith in Jesus. Satan's works prove he doesn't have faith.

I am sure that saint James conceived of faith as dead without works but as faith nonetheless. That is why verses 14 to 17 exist. To give an example of right faith existing without good works. Wishing well, saying "you are in our thoughts and prayers" is useless verbiage if one is not willing to do what is needed to make things well. As saint Gregory the Great said, "The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist." and such is doubly true for faith and works.