What's the point? Evolution...

[stevendrake]

If you are still here, I apologize for the punk comment. Next, my concern is not for my beliefs. My concern is for your soul. Say I am right. What will be your arguement when/if you face God and have to admit to turning yourself and others (hopefully not) away from him? What will you contemplate in an eternity of unimaginable pain? I will pray for you because I don't want to see that happen. My intentions are humble. Wether I like you now or not... I would not want to see you with such a fate. In the way I have love and compassion for you and all others. If I am wrong however... I have done nothing but treated people kindly and left this place better than I when I came.

 

[stevendrake]

Just show me a plant growing a set of argans. A moss with some legs. Where did evolution go. The planet decides that random evolution has hit a quota? Come on. You knew what I meant.

 

[stevendrake]

Also evolution and adaptation are different and I see them applied to each other.

 

[stevendrake]

The documentary... On Discovery. Look it up or email them about it. It was based on the unlikelyhood of evolution. It's been a couple of years so that's all I can tell you.

 

[Nitron]

Just show me a plant growing a set of argans. A moss with some legs. Where did evolution go. The planet decides that random evolution has hit a quota? Come on. You knew what I meant.

Gah strawman.

A plant won't "grow" a set of organs. It would take place in small incremental modifications over generations.

What use would plants have for organs, anyway?

 

[Nitron]

The documentary... On Discovery. Look it up or email them about it. It was based on the unlikelyhood of evolution. It's been a couple of years so that's all I can tell you.

Discovery sold out years ago. Though their aliens stuff is lulzy.

 

[flatworm]

Tail... I doubt it. lol We are not as we were.

Reach down to the base of your spine and feel it. Your tailbone- it's there. A real internal tail, just like all apes.

Germs? Can we not see them? Can we not feel gravity?

You can observe evolution too. Yes, even new species being formed. It isn't just antibiotic resistance.

You can even see new functions or abilities evolving, such as the advent of nylonase.

Where is the example of a plant with the begginings of a heart. All this time and suddenly no more evolution? I am in shock... haha

Evolution does not claim that animals with hearts evolved from modern plants. That's ridiculous. The first proper animals didn't have hearts, they were small enough that nutrition and waste could just diffuse between their tissues and their environment. Primitive hearts are simply tubes that can constrict rhythmically.

 

[stevendrake]

My point previously was that there should be examples upon examples if evolution were so key to life on this planet.

 

[stevendrake]

Strawman would have been bad to my face brother. Whatever. You seem to have little direct answers though. There is no example of organs forming is there? Why?

 

[stevendrake]

Not from plants... Show me a an organism that is forming some sort of organ system then.

 

[stevendrake]

"Evolution does not claim that animals with hearts evolved from modern plants. That's ridiculous. The first proper animals didn't have hearts, they were small enough that nutrition and waste could just diffuse between their tissues and their environment. Primitive hearts are simply tubes that can constrict rhythmically."


Where is the middle ground? The forming of the organ system? Show me slides or ... something?

 

[stevendrake]

Ah, who cares about alien stuff. Didn't eat dinner with me last night. You? lol

 

[stevendrake]

Well, if they are going to start to breath they have to start somewhere... right? Forget plants... pond scum. Whatever.

 

[Maximum]

Animals didn`t evolve from plants, if that`s what you are thinking.

 

[flatworm]

If you are still here, I apologize for the punk comment. Next, my concern is not for my beliefs. My concern is for your soul.

Don't worry, I haven't got one.

You seem to be under the impression that accepting evolution entails rejecting a belief in God. It does not, not any more than the Theory of Gravity or the Germ Theory of Disease. It simply requires that you stop insisting that this particular hole in your knowledge stay empty so you can hide your god there.

Say I am right. What will be your arguement when/if you face God and have to admit to turning yourself and others (hopefully not) away from him? What will you contemplate in an eternity of unimaginable pain? I will pray for you because I don't want to see that happen. My intentions are humble. Wether I like you now or not... I would not want to see you with such a fate. In the way I have love and compassion for you and all others. If I am wrong however... I have done nothing but treated people kindly and left this place better than I when I came.

This is known as Pascal's Wager, and every freshman philosophy student can tear it to shreds. As an unbeliever since age 14, this is probably at least the hundreth time I've heard this as if it had never been refuted before.

To put it succinctly, there are two main logical problems:

1) You assume there are only two possibilities. This is false. There are a number of other religions which contradict your own, and also offer the same claim of infinite reward and infinite punishment. In fact, I can make up any number of mutually contradictory claims, each of which promises infinite reward for belief and infinite punishment for rejection, and you cannot say that any one of these has zero probability. That makes the wager equation undecidable.

2) The concept of infinite payout is an absurdity. If you offer an infinite payout for belief, then the payout remains infinite even if you make belief conditional on some event with arbitrary (but non-zero) probability. In other words, I could say "I'll believe in God when wild monkeys fly out of my rear", and that position has exactly the same payout as outright belief.

 

[stevendrake]

Well, I have to go spend some time with my family. I have enjoyed myself and hope you at least contemplate the other "theory". Just cause you close your eyes, it won't spare you judgement. You will kneel one day. I hope it is in adoration and not in regret. God bless

 

[stevendrake]

Still no concrete on evolution. Bye

 

[flatworm]

"Evolution does not claim that animals with hearts evolved from modern plants. That's ridiculous. The first proper animals didn't have hearts, they were small enough that nutrition and waste could just diffuse between their tissues and their environment. Primitive hearts are simply tubes that can constrict rhythmically."


Where is the middle ground? The forming of the organ system? Show me slides or ... something?

The middle ground lies with small animals like hydra, sea squirts, or planarians.

 

[suzmot]

This guy lacks such a basic understanding of evolution that it's painful to read.

I don't even know where to start pulling this apart as he seems to have blinders on.

Someone needs to create a "Common evolution misconceptions" FAQ that we can just paste in here whenever we get a gullible loon that's been brainwashed by creation media.

 

[Maximum]

Still no concrete on evolution. Bye

Show me concrete on creation.