Not a problem. Start with post #52 just a little further up the page.
If you have specific questions, there are many here more than willing to answer.
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What's the point? Evolution...
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Not a problem. Start with post #52 just a little further up the page.
If you have specific questions, there are many here more than willing to answer.
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This is the debate and discussion area of the forums. It is open to anyone, Christian or not. You should have realized that. There are plenty of other places that are Christian-Only around CF; perhaps you'd have better luck there. Because this is a place for debate, and when you spout nonsense about what you erroneously think evolution is, people are going to call you on it. Prayer or not. And faith has nothing to do with evolution. Many many people who are strong and secure in their faith accept evolution. I have no problem with faith; I have a problem with people using faith as an excuse for their ignorance, and as an excuse to spread lies and misinformation.
I don't have an eternity to accept. Nor do you. Face that cold hard fact.
"If you meet someone who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid, or insane." - Richard Dawkins.
"Faith is believin' what you know ain't so." - Mark Twain.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan.
You're the one with fairy tales, and I do not believe your truth. You may choose not to believe mine, but at least educate yourself on it first.
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When our DNA is compared to chimps (we have two types of DNA, mitochondrial and nucleic) we find that we are about 98% the same. When we sequence individual genes and proteins, we also find the same level of relatedness. We have endogenous retroviruses, which are gene sequences that have been inserted into our genomes by a virus, that are nearly identical to and in the same region as those in chimps (only heredity can account for that). genetic codes for proteins are nearly identical yet, due to the redundancy of codons(see inverse table), could be functionally identical but have a completely different sequence (again something that cant be explained outside of heredity).
Mutation of new traits, speciation, and natural selection have all been observed in the lab and in nature. Over 99% of relevant field scientists agree with evolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Scientific_support
Within the scientific community there is no debate about evolution.
Mutation of new traits, speciation, and natural selection have all been observed in the lab and in nature. Over 99% of relevant field scientists agree with evolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution#Scientific_support
Within the scientific community there is no debate about evolution.
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No one forced you to post here. Bye-bye
I recommend you start with the basics, then. This is a good website: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
If you want "opinionated propaganda" I recommend you go back to the Discovery website. You will find plenty there (and not much else).
Why did you post here again?
If you were so smart, you would have known this was a Discussion forum for both Christians and non-Christians. It is written in black and white for you. B.T.W. You are doing a poor job of witnesses for Jesus here.
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Blessed is he that walketh the path of erudition; for he shall see the true light of the Big Bang.
Heed not the rantings of the ignorant, but turn thee and ignore them.
Teach not a dog physics for it is an exercise in futility.
May his noodliness bless you all for your efforts in trying to educate creationists.
May your pasta be blessed with plenty of sauce bolognese, and a generous portion of parmezan topping.
All Hail FSM
Heed not the rantings of the ignorant, but turn thee and ignore them.
Teach not a dog physics for it is an exercise in futility.
May his noodliness bless you all for your efforts in trying to educate creationists.
May your pasta be blessed with plenty of sauce bolognese, and a generous portion of parmezan topping.
All Hail FSM
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Where to begin...
Sorry, there's no sign out front saying that unbelievers are not welcome. You must be thinking of some other forum that calls itself Christian but acts very unChristian by discriminating against people based on their faith for no good reason.
Lack of spelling and grammar, and in your case even proper sentence structure, is in fact very, very telling. This is your native language, yes? Why is it that you appear to have problems communicating through writing? Perhaps you are not bothered enough to spell or use proper grammar or proper sentence structure - but in fairness, the evil evolutionists here are taking the time to write correctly. So should you in return.
Ah. So your faith excuses your lack of spelling etc. etc. Because your messiah died for you in a selfless and noble act, it's ok for you not to bother to write well, or educate yourself on good writing if you don't know how.
I don't understand this at all.
Great. I think he was a zombie. I mean, he dropped dead then rose again a while later? Then disappeared again? And then the whole "eat my body and drink my blood" thing... he was a zombie! They just thought it would be bad PR and rewrote that part of the bible.
Good for you. Wrong forum though - we discuss creationism and evolution here. I thin the testimonials board is that way. --->
So we have to respect your faith, but it's ok for you to assume that we're all ignorant lost little lambs in need of your benevolent and charitable guidance? Don't make me laugh. Don't make assumptions as well; they usually don't work out. You can take your patronising, holier-than-thou attitude and take a hike outta here; we don't want your input, such as it is. We have creationists here capable of writing good English and we are used to a rather better level of spelling and grammar.
I don't want your god's blessing. And saying this so flippantly after your post is... distasteful to me, as if you are only saying it by rote and you don't actually mean it.
On to the next post, which interests me as well...
Using biblical verses to try to persuade someone to your point of view tends to not work when that someone thinks the bible is just another book. Hence, pointless.
Please. We're not scared by anything you do. In fact, we've seen it many times before - Christians coming on in full, bible-thumping, hell-fire and brimstone, died-for-our-sins flair saying that evilution is eeeevil and we should submit to god blah blah blah. Guess what? It's still a waste of time, and all you're getting out of us is a few chuckles.
Blah blah blah god blah blah love blah blah... Did you consider for even a second that some of us were Christian once, and we stopped believing? I am one of them. I had my faith broken, you understand, completely broken because I was told the bible was all the literal word of god, and I knew from looking at the very earth beneath my feet that it could not be so. I will never be Christian again, because the bible will never be more than an old book for me now. So consider this very carefully: you know nothing about our personal histories. You do not know the roads we took to arrive at our faith. You are insulting us by saying you'll pray for us to be 'lead back to god' or some other crap; you insinuate that we are somehow not mature in our beliefs. Once again, take your holier-than-thou attitude and take a hike. It's not appreciated.
I have disagreed with many creationists. I have personally felt annoyed with them, or despaired of them, or thought they were misguided or ignorant - but I still respect them, and hope that they respect me in return.
I do not feel the same for you. I will not respond in this thread again.
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Sorry, there's no sign out front saying that unbelievers are not welcome. You must be thinking of some other forum that calls itself Christian but acts very unChristian by discriminating against people based on their faith for no good reason.
Lack of spelling and grammar, and in your case even proper sentence structure, is in fact very, very telling. This is your native language, yes? Why is it that you appear to have problems communicating through writing? Perhaps you are not bothered enough to spell or use proper grammar or proper sentence structure - but in fairness, the evil evolutionists here are taking the time to write correctly. So should you in return.
Ah. So your faith excuses your lack of spelling etc. etc. Because your messiah died for you in a selfless and noble act, it's ok for you not to bother to write well, or educate yourself on good writing if you don't know how.
I don't understand this at all.
Great. I think he was a zombie. I mean, he dropped dead then rose again a while later? Then disappeared again? And then the whole "eat my body and drink my blood" thing... he was a zombie! They just thought it would be bad PR and rewrote that part of the bible.
Good for you. Wrong forum though - we discuss creationism and evolution here. I thin the testimonials board is that way. --->
So we have to respect your faith, but it's ok for you to assume that we're all ignorant lost little lambs in need of your benevolent and charitable guidance? Don't make me laugh. Don't make assumptions as well; they usually don't work out. You can take your patronising, holier-than-thou attitude and take a hike outta here; we don't want your input, such as it is. We have creationists here capable of writing good English and we are used to a rather better level of spelling and grammar.
I don't want your god's blessing. And saying this so flippantly after your post is... distasteful to me, as if you are only saying it by rote and you don't actually mean it.
On to the next post, which interests me as well...
Using biblical verses to try to persuade someone to your point of view tends to not work when that someone thinks the bible is just another book. Hence, pointless.
Please. We're not scared by anything you do. In fact, we've seen it many times before - Christians coming on in full, bible-thumping, hell-fire and brimstone, died-for-our-sins flair saying that evilution is eeeevil and we should submit to god blah blah blah. Guess what? It's still a waste of time, and all you're getting out of us is a few chuckles.
Blah blah blah god blah blah love blah blah... Did you consider for even a second that some of us were Christian once, and we stopped believing? I am one of them. I had my faith broken, you understand, completely broken because I was told the bible was all the literal word of god, and I knew from looking at the very earth beneath my feet that it could not be so. I will never be Christian again, because the bible will never be more than an old book for me now. So consider this very carefully: you know nothing about our personal histories. You do not know the roads we took to arrive at our faith. You are insulting us by saying you'll pray for us to be 'lead back to god' or some other crap; you insinuate that we are somehow not mature in our beliefs. Once again, take your holier-than-thou attitude and take a hike. It's not appreciated.
I have disagreed with many creationists. I have personally felt annoyed with them, or despaired of them, or thought they were misguided or ignorant - but I still respect them, and hope that they respect me in return.
I do not feel the same for you. I will not respond in this thread again.
IRH
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I'm here just like anyone else, trying to understand both sides. Im not trying to sway anyone one way or the other. so, I may not be so smart. And I agree that my grammer and spelling are not perfect, so you can pick on that all day long if you would like. I don't know where alot of people stand, or where they came from or how they lost Christ. Im just here to defend what I do know, and that is I would be lost with out Christ in my life. My faith will never change, I love my Lord with all my soul. I really don't see an arguement here, cause really there is no hard proof on either side. I guess both side go on different faith, Mans and Gods. If it bothers you that I say I love everyone no matter what, Then I guess it will have to bother you, cause You are my sisters and bothers, Either way you see it religious or not we came from the same. If you believe in evolution, we still came from the same, if you are a Christian we all came from God. So either way you look at it, we're all brothers and sisters, and I will love everyone. If you had read all of what I wrote I was repling on someone elses quote about picking on grammer and mis spelled words, Thats not what we are here for, thats what I was trying to get accross. Thank you
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Posts that present evidence for evolution:
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44083687&postcount=27
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44084257&postcount=38
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44089248&postcount=52
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44095561&postcount=64
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44095853&postcount=66
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44099208&postcount=67
Posts presenting evidence for creationism:
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44083687&postcount=27
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44084257&postcount=38
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44089248&postcount=52
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44095561&postcount=64
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44095853&postcount=66
http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44099208&postcount=67
Posts presenting evidence for creationism:
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Smarts has nothing to do with it. Knowledge is where the debate lies. I am sure you are a very intelligent person, and quite brave to jump into a pit filled with us evil atheists.
If you want to know why we (us evil evolutionists) stand where we do start reading books on evolution.
Actually, the theory of evolution an all scientific theories are based on evidence, not faith.
If evolution is true, which the evidence seems to indicate, then all life on this planet are brothers and sisters, or sexless cousins in the case of asexual organisms. I think that is quite profound.
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It's compelling proof that you're no authority on evolution.
General Apologetics is down the hall.
Do you think that adherence to a certain point of view in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is somehow virtuous?
I"ve read it. It's nonsense.
I have some bad news for you: it was humans who told you where you came from and what to believe. I just happen to disagree with those humans.
It may come as some shock to you that not everyone considers the Bible to be authoritative.
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Let me know when prayer solves the antibiotic resistance problem.
We've already seen how closely your beliefs approach reality.
Evolution is not a matter of faith. It is a matter of evidence. Further, as you must have missed before, accepting evolution does not require you to abandon a belief in God. In fact the theory of evolution does not contradict even a single point of the Nicene Creed.
Most people, when they engage in a debate, don't expect everyone to be of like mind with them.
You haven't witnessed anything to us. You just spouted dogmatic homilies.
"What the Bible says means about as much to me as a week-old rat carcass" Flatworm 1:1
The evidence suggests I have it, or something reasonably close.
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Please be careful as others on this site have the patent on the posting of random Bible versus that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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Did anyone else notice that djgreene is the OP's wife/gf?
When no one backs you up but your partner, you might want to consider the accuracy of your statements.
When no one backs you up but your partner, you might want to consider the accuracy of your statements.
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Well, start with the beginning then. Where did matter come from? Prove to me that from nothing came something. I won't deny a certain degree of evolution (although it is my belief we came from Adam and Eve therefore I find cavemen humorous). But, how we get to where we are isn't the point I want addressed. Where does the universe and everything in it come from? Evidence suggests it has a start so what was it before?
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Don't give me dark matter nonsense either. I would hate to spit my drink everywhere in laughter. "One excuse is as good as another."
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There was no before. Time is a component of the universe, and did not exist until the universe did. Asking what came before the Big Bang is like asking what is north of the North Pole. It's a nonsense question.
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