WHATS THE DEAL ABOUT MRS ELLEN G WHITE??

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You'll receive vastly different replies in the progressive Adventist forum than in the traditional... most progs have been taught not to have a favourable opinion of Mrs. White or her writings. If you're interested, post this query in the traditional forum for a different perspective.
 
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was she a true prophet??

or just coincidence of her predictions??

or all a hoax?

what??

Ellen White predicted a total turn-around in America from the strong division between Protestant America and Catholic Roman. For this she was ridiculed - and then .... Sept 2015 comes along. Presto!

Ellen White predicted a number of things regarding what is and is not healthy - and then .... one of her Medical Centers becomes one of the FIVE "blue zones" on planet Earth - Loma Linda California.

Ellen White predicted that America would be THE leading world super power when at the time - England was far more of a world Super power than the U.S..... and then .... welcome to the 2nd half of the 20th century.

Ellen White's views on health were so effective that the upper class in America - including the President of the United States sought out her "Sanitariums" for the best health cure.

Ellen White was shown vivid descriptions of the 2nd coming, the resurrection of Christ, the war in heaven, other planets, the fall of Adam, the crucifixion...

And of course she claimed to have the 1Cor 12 gift of prophecy that Peter speaks of in 2Peter 1.

from http://press.adventist.org/en/
  • Ellen G. White is a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church who helped shape the mission and vision of the church.
  • Adventists do not regard her as a saint, nor do they view her writings as an addition to the Bible. Her prophetic claims are tested and proven by the Bible.
  • She is the most translated American author.
  • Her total literary output is approximately 100,000 pages. More than 100 books have been published from her writings.
  • She wrote books on numerous topics, including spirituality, parenting, social issues, health, and financial counsel. All of her works point the reader to God and the Bible.
  • Her most translated book, Steps to Christ, a how-to guide on being a Christian, has been translated into more than 165 languages.
  • Smithsonian Magazine named her one of the 100 Most Significant Americans of All Time. (2014)
 
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Slight correction Bob, she never stated that she had the gift of prophesy... she said she was the Lord's messenger.

Personally, I don't see a distinction between the two as all the prophets were messengers but Mrs. White was trying to distance herself from the ridicule of others that were claiming this gift at that time... Joseph Smith being one.
 
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I am certainly happy to be corrected -

Here is what she published -

“Why have I not claimed to be a prophet? Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; and because my work includes much more than the word prophet signifies.”Review and Herald, July 26, 1906, cited in Selected Messages, book 1, p. 32.

I am now instructed that I am not to be hindered in my work by those who engage in suppositions regarding its nature, whose minds are struggling with so many intricate problems connected with the supposed work of a prophet. My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there. It embraces much more than the minds of those who have been sowing the seeds of unbelief can comprehend.—Letter 244, 1906. (Addressed to elders of Battle Creek church.) {1SM 36.2}

Selected Messages, book 1, p. 34. To claim to be a prophetess is something that I have never done. If others call me by that name, I have no controversy with them. But my work has covered so many lines that I cannot call myself other than a messenger, sent to bear a message from the Lord to His people, and to take up work in any line that He points out.”

=============== back to the Bible

What is the Bible definition of a prophet

Numbers 12
6 He said, “Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, shall make Myself known to him in a vision.
I shall speak with him in a dream.


2 Peter 1:19-21
19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. 20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

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God has made plain to me the various ways in which He would use me to carry forward a special work. Visions have been given me, with the promise, “If you deliver the messages faithfully and endure to the end, you shall eat of the fruit of the tree of life, and drink of the water of the river of life.” {1SM 33.1}


“Be not afraid of man, for My shield shall protect you. It is not you that speaketh: it is the Lord that giveth the messages of warning and reproof. Never deviate from the truth under any circumstances. Give the light I shall give you. The messages for these last days shall be written in books, and shall stand immortalized, to testify against those who have once rejoiced in the light, but who have been led to give it up because of the seductive influences of evil.” {1SM 32.3}




 
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An Example of why Seventh-day Adventists enjoy reading messages/insights God gave Ellen White for the church.

from her commentary on the life of Christ - "The Desire of Ages"


"The Lord Is Risen"
[This chapter is based on Matt. 28:2-4, 11-15.]

The night of the first day of the week had worn slowly away. The darkest hour, just before daybreak, had come. Christ was still a prisoner in His narrow tomb. The great stone was in its place; the Roman seal was unbroken; the Roman guards were keeping their watch. And there were unseen watchers. Hosts of evil angels were gathered about the place. Had it been possible, the prince of darkness with his apostate army would have kept forever sealed the tomb that held the Son of God. But a heavenly host surrounded the sepulcher. Angels that excel in strength were guarding the tomb, and waiting to welcome the Prince of life.

"And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven." Clothed with the panoply of God, this angel left the heavenly courts. The bright beams of God's glory went before him, and illuminated his pathway. "His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: and for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men."

Now, priests and rulers, where is the power of your guard? Brave soldiers that have never been afraid of human power are now as captives taken without sword or spear. The face they look upon is not the face

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of mortal warrior; it is the face of the mightiest of the Lord's host. This messenger is he who fills the position from which Satan fell. It is he who on the hills of Bethlehem proclaimed Christ's birth. The earth trembles at his approach, the hosts of darkness flee, and as he rolls away the stone, heaven seems to come down to the earth. The soldiers see him removing the stone as he would a pebble, and hear him cry, Son of God, come forth; Thy Father calls Thee. They see Jesus come forth from the grave, and hear Him proclaim over the rent sepulcher, "I am the resurrection, and the life." As He comes forth in majesty and glory, the angel host bow low in adoration before the Redeemer, and welcome Him with songs of praise.
An earthquake marked the hour when Christ laid down His life, and another earthquake witnessed the moment when He took it up in triumph. He who had vanquished death and the grave came forth from the tomb with the tread of a conqueror, amid the reeling of the earth, the flashing of lightning, and the roaring of thunder. When He shall come to the earth again, He will shake "not the earth only, but also heaven." "The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage." "The heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll;" "the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." But "the Lord will be the hope of His people, and the strength of the children of Israel." Heb. 12:26; Isa. 24:20; 34:4; 2 Peter 3:10; Joel 3:16.

At the death of Jesus the soldiers had beheld the earth wrapped in darkness at midday; but at the resurrection they saw the brightness of the angels illuminate the night, and heard the inhabitants of heaven singing with great joy and triumph: Thou hast vanquished Satan and the powers of darkness; Thou hast swallowed up death in victory!

Christ came forth from the tomb glorified, and the Roman guard beheld Him. Their eyes were riveted upon the face of Him whom they had so recently mocked and derided. In this glorified Being they beheld the prisoner whom they had seen in the judgment hall, the one for whom they had plaited a crown of thorns. This was the One who had stood unresisting before Pilate and Herod, His form lacerated by the cruel scourge. This was He who had been nailed to the cross, at whom the priests and rulers, full of self-satisfaction, had wagged their heads, saying, "He saved others; Himself He cannot save." Matt. 27:42. This was He who had been laid in Joseph's new tomb. The decree of heaven had

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loosed the captive. Mountains piled upon mountains over His sepulcher could not have prevented Him from coming forth.
At sight of the angels and the glorified Saviour the Roman guard had fainted and become as dead men. When the heavenly train was hidden from their view, they arose to their feet, and as quickly as their trembling limbs could carry them, made their way to the gate of the garden. Staggering like drunken men, they hurried on to the city, telling those whom they met the wonderful news. They were making their way to Pilate, but their report had been carried to the Jewish authorities, and the chief priests and rulers sent for them to be brought first into their presence. A strange appearance those soldiers presented. Trembling with fear, their faces colorless, they bore testimony to the resurrection of Christ. The soldiers told all, just as they had seen it; they had not had time to think or speak anything but the truth. With painful utterance they said, It was the Son of God who was crucified; we have heard an angel proclaiming Him as the Majesty of heaven, the King of glory.

The faces of the priests were as those of the dead. Caiaphas tried to speak. His lips moved, but they uttered no sound. The soldiers were about to leave the council room, when a voice stayed them. Caiaphas had at last found speech. Wait, wait, he said. Tell no one the things you have seen.

A lying report was then given to the soldiers. "Say ye," said the priests, "His disciples came by night, and stole Him away while we slept"
 
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Then of course there is the book - the "Great Controversy" and a vivid description of the Second Coming

(Note - almost all Christians are aware that as we near the second coming - instead of everyone on earth becoming more and more sinless and kind - what happens is that "the love of many shall grow cold" and the world sinks into chaos and sin. Yet the saints will continue to be the "salt of the earth" the light of the world always pointing mankind to the Gospel and the Love of God who will soon come to set things right).

Book: "The Great Controversy"

CHAPTER 40
God's People Delivered


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With shouts of triumph, jeering, and imprecation, throngs of evil men are about to rush upon their prey, when, lo, a

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dense blackness, deeper than the darkness of the night, falls upon the earth. Then a rainbow, shining with the glory from the throne of God, spans the heavens and seems to encircle each praying company. The angry multitudes are suddenly arrested. Their mocking cries die away. The objects of their murderous rage are forgotten. With fearful forebodings they gaze upon the symbol of God's covenant and long to be shielded from its overpowering brightness.

By the people of God a voice, clear and melodious, is heard, saying, "Look up," and lifting their eyes to the heavens, they behold the bow of promise. The black, angry clouds that covered the firmament are parted, and like Stephen they look up steadfastly into heaven and see the glory of God and the Son of man seated upon His throne. In His divine form they discern the marks of His humiliation; and from His lips they hear the request presented before His Father and the holy angels: "I will that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am." John 17:24. Again a voice, musical and triumphant, is heard, saying: "They come! they come! holy, harmless, and undefiled. They have kept the word of My patience; they shall walk among the angels;" and the pale, quivering lips of those who have held fast their faith utter a shout of victory.

It is at midnight that God manifests His power for the deliverance of His people. The sun appears, shining in its strength. Signs and wonders follow in quick succession. The wicked look with terror and amazement upon the scene, while the righteous behold with solemn joy the tokens of their deliverance. Everything in nature seems turned out of its course. The streams cease to flow. Dark, heavy clouds come up and clash against each other. In the midst of the angry heavens is one clear space of indescribable glory, whence comes the voice of God like the sound of many waters, saying: "It is done." Revelation 16:17.

That voice shakes the heavens and the earth. There is a

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mighty earthquake, "such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great." Verses 17, 18. The firmament appears to open and shut. The glory from the throne of God seems flashing through. The mountains shake like a reed in the wind, and ragged rocks are scattered on every side. There is a roar as of a coming tempest. The sea is lashed into fury. There is heard the shriek of a hurricane like the voice of demons upon a mission of destruction. The whole earth heaves and swells like the waves of the sea. Its surface is breaking up. Its very foundations seem to be giving way. Mountain chains are sinking. Inhabited islands disappear. The seaports that have become like Sodom for wickedness are swallowed up by the angry waters. Babylon the great has come in remembrance before God, "to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath." Great hailstones, every one "about the weight of a talent," are doing their work of destruction. Verses 19, 21. The proudest cities of the earth are laid low. The lordly palaces, upon which the world's great men have lavished their wealth in order to glorify themselves, are crumbling to ruin before their eyes. Prison walls are rent asunder, and God's people, who have been held in bondage for their faith, are set free.

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Thick clouds still cover the sky; yet the sun now and then breaks through, appearing like the avenging eye of Jehovah.

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Fierce lightnings leap from the heavens, enveloping the earth in a sheet of flame. Above the terrific roar of thunder, voices, mysterious and awful, declare the doom of the wicked. The words spoken are not comprehended by all; but they are distinctly understood by the false teachers. ...

Through a rift in the clouds there beams a star whose brilliancy is increased fourfold in contrast with the darkness. It speaks hope and joy to the faithful, but severity and wrath to the transgressors of God's law. Those who have sacrificed all for Christ are now secure, hidden as in the secret of the Lord's pavilion. They have been tested, and before the world and the despisers of truth they have evinced their fidelity to Him

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who died for them. A marvelous change has come over those who have held fast their integrity in the very face of death. They have been suddenly delivered from the dark and terrible tyranny of men transformed to demons. Their faces, so lately pale, anxious, and haggard, are now aglow with wonder, faith, and love. Their voices rise in triumphant song: "God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof." Psalm 46:1-3.

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It is impossible to describe the horror and despair of those who have trampled upon God's holy requirements. The Lord gave them His law; they might have compared their characters with it and learned their defects while there was yet opportunity for repentance and reform; but in order to secure the favor of the world, they set aside its precepts and taught others to transgress....

continued
 
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Book: "The Great Controversy" -- continued

CHAPTER 40
God's People Delivered


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Soon there appears in the east a small black cloud, about half the size of a man's hand. It is the cloud which surrounds the Saviour and which seems in the distance to be shrouded in darkness. The people of God know this to be the sign of the Son of man. In solemn silence they gaze upon it as it

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draws nearer the earth, becoming lighter and more glorious, until it is a great white cloud, its base a glory like consuming fire, and above it the rainbow of the covenant. Jesus rides forth as a mighty conqueror. Not now a "Man of Sorrows," to drink the bitter cup of shame and woe, He comes, victor in heaven and earth, to judge the living and the dead. "Faithful and True," "in righteousness He doth judge and make war." And "the armies which were in heaven" (Revelation 19:11, 14) follow Him. With anthems of celestial melody the holy angels, a vast, unnumbered throng, attend Him on His way. The firmament seems filled with radiant forms--"ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands." No human pen can portray the scene; no mortal mind is adequate to conceive its splendor. "His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of His praise. And His brightness was as the light." Habakkuk 3:3,4. As the living cloud comes still nearer, every eye beholds the Prince of life. No crown of thorns now mars that sacred head; but a diadem of glory rests on His holy brow. His countenance outshines the dazzling brightness of the noonday sun. "And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, King of kings, and Lord of lords." Revelation 19:16.

Before His presence "all faces are turned into paleness;" upon the rejecters of God's mercy falls the terror of eternal despair. "The heart melteth, and the knees smite together, . . . and the faces of them all gather blackness." Jeremiah 30:6; Nahum 2:10. The righteous cry with trembling: "Who shall be able to stand?" The angels' song is hushed, and there is a period of awful silence. Then the voice of Jesus is heard, saying: "My grace is sufficient for you." The faces of the righteous are lighted up, and joy fills every heart. And the angels strike a note higher and sing again as they draw still nearer to the earth.

The King of kings descends upon the cloud, wrapped in flaming fire. The heavens are rolled together as a scroll, the earth trembles before Him, and every mountain and island

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is moved out of its place. "Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before Him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about Him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that He may judge His people." Psalm 50:3,4.

"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Revelation 6:15-17.

The derisive jests have ceased. Lying lips are hushed into silence. The clash of arms, the tumult of battle, "with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood" (Isaiah 9:5), is stilled. Nought now is heard but the voice of prayer and the sound of weeping and lamentation. The cry bursts forth from lips so lately scoffing: "The great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" The wicked pray to be buried beneath the rocks of the mountains rather than meet the face of Him whom they have despised and rejected....
 
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Slight correction Bob, she never stated that she had the gift of prophesy... she said she was the Lord's messenger.
There is a difference between the gift of prophecy (which many can have) and the OFFICE of a PROPHET - reserved for a very few. Even king Saul was counted as prophesying when he ended up in a group of prophets while trying to kill off God's anointed. (David)

But with her message and starting a new denomination, she functioned (to a degree) in the office of apostle.
 
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the Bible says this --

1 Thess 5 - 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.
1 Cor 14:1 - Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

1 Cor 14 22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. 25 And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.
26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

so then not just
Eph 4
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 untill we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

And not just -
Rev 12
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And not just
Rev 19 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

Numbers 12
6 Then He said, “Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;
I speak to him in a dream.
 
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There is a difference between the gift of prophecy (which many can have) and the OFFICE of a PROPHET - reserved for a very few. Even king Saul was counted as prophesying when he ended up in a group of prophets while trying to kill off God's anointed. (David)

But with her message and starting a new denomination, she functioned (to a degree) in the office of apostle.
i agree
u r so correct
 
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At the end, The Giant Red Dwarf Sun imploded, then exploded The New Earth and New Heaven are sucked in then smashed into atoms and cast into the eternal darkness. The Jeweled City was made of Ice, The New Heaven was of the Earth and the Everlasting Sun god was destroyed........All because creation. did not understand the difference between the Son of Man and the Son of God and thought they were of the same flesh..............Now what was that ugly kid's name again in the Mel Gibson Film? I have visions too......

Soon there appears in the east a small black cloud, about half the size of a man's hand. It is the cloud which surrounds the Saviour and which seems in the distance to be shrouded in darkness. The people of God know this to be the sign of the Son of man. In solemn silence they gaze upon it as it

black-darkness Man.

Through a rift in the clouds there beams a star whose brilliancy is increased fourfold in contrast with the darkness

Venus, No Thanks. Yeah, but the Bright and Morning star has 2 names. Everything seems to be in two's......
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." So was the other Kid mentioned in Luke.........Maybe he changed his name.........Naw........impossible.
Un-named Angels don't lie.........How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!
 
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At the end, The Giant Red Dwarf Sun imploded, then exploded The New Earth and New Heaven are sucked in then smashed into atoms and cast into the eternal darkness. The Jeweled City was made of Ice, !

Did you see that in a movie? Or are you claiming that we cannot tell the difference between that sort of thing - and the real Bible approved Gift of Prophecy that we saw here
Nov 2, 2015 #6
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Interesting reading I must say. I happened on a Seventh Day Adventist cable show the other day and their network, at least I presume it so, 3ABN =Three Angels Broadcasting Network?
Fascinating stuff. I guess my question is, with all the controversy surrounding Ms.White, is this a valid denomination to adhere to as a member of the body of Christ?

Ever the seeker, I appreciate your indulgence.
 
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was she a true prophet??

or just coincidence of her predictions??

or all a hoax?

what??

A real prophet as the Bible describes in 1 Cor 12, 1Cor 14:1 Numbers 12:6 etc. Think about the implications of that.

1826 - 1915 she was the most translated most published Christian author.
 
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Interesting reading I must say. I happened on a Seventh Day Adventist cable show the other day and their network, at least I presume it so, 3ABN =Three Angels Broadcasting Network?
Fascinating stuff. I guess my question is, with all the controversy surrounding Ms.White, is this a valid denomination to adhere to as a member of the body of Christ?

Ever the seeker, I appreciate your indulgence.

If you look for "very popular prophets" in the Bible - how many do you find loved and adored by all their peers at the time they were writing?

How is it that a new Bible text for "must be popular" is now in these last days - introduced as "a new test of a prophet" as if that ever worked in all of time?

If you look at what the Bible actually says on this subject in 1Cor 12, 1cor 14:1 and 1Thess 5 - does it ever say "only if a prophet is popular in this world are they genuine -- otherwise don't listen"???

in Christ,

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Ellen White predicted a total turn-around in America from the strong division between Protestant America and Catholic Roman. For this she was ridiculed - and then .... Sept 2015 comes along. Presto!

Ellen White predicted a number of things regarding what is and is not healthy - and then .... one of her Medical Centers becomes one of the FIVE "blue zones" on planet Earth - Loma Linda California.

Ellen White predicted that America would be THE leading world super power when at the time - England was far more of a world Super power than the U.S..... and then .... welcome to the 2nd half of the 20th century.

Ellen White's views on health were so effective that the upper class in America - including the President of the United States sought out her "Sanitariums" for the best health cure.

Ellen White was shown vivid descriptions of the 2nd coming, the resurrection of Christ, the war in heaven, other planets, the fall of Adam, the crucifixion...

And of course she claimed to have the 1Cor 12 gift of prophecy that Peter speaks of in 2Peter 1.

from http://press.adventist.org/en/
  • Ellen G. White is a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church who helped shape the mission and vision of the church.
  • Adventists do not regard her as a saint, nor do they view her writings as an addition to the Bible. Her prophetic claims are tested and proven by the Bible.
  • She is the most translated American author.
  • Her total literary output is approximately 100,000 pages. More than 100 books have been published from her writings.
  • She wrote books on numerous topics, including spirituality, parenting, social issues, health, and financial counsel. All of her works point the reader to God and the Bible.
  • Her most translated book, Steps to Christ, a how-to guide on being a Christian, has been translated into more than 165 languages.
  • Smithsonian Magazine named her one of the 100 Most Significant Americans of All Time. (2014)
 
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Ellen White predicted a total turn-around in America from the strong division between Protestant America and Catholic Roman. For this she was ridiculed - and then .... Sept 2015 comes along. Presto!

Ellen White predicted a number of things regarding what is and is not healthy - and then .... one of her Medical Centers becomes one of the FIVE "blue zones" on planet Earth - Loma Linda California.

Ellen White predicted that America would be THE leading world super power when at the time - England was far more of a world Super power than the U.S..... and then .... welcome to the 2nd half of the 20th century.

Ellen White's views on health were so effective that the upper class in America - including the President of the United States sought out her "Sanitariums" for the best health cure.

Ellen White was shown vivid descriptions of the 2nd coming, the resurrection of Christ, the war in heaven, other planets, the fall of Adam, the crucifixion...

And of course she claimed to have the 1Cor 12 gift of prophecy that Peter speaks of in 2Peter 1.

from http://press.adventist.org/en/
  • Ellen G. White is a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church who helped shape the mission and vision of the church.
  • Adventists do not regard her as a saint, nor do they view her writings as an addition to the Bible. Her prophetic claims are tested and proven by the Bible.
  • She is the most translated American author.
  • Her total literary output is approximately 100,000 pages. More than 100 books have been published from her writings.
  • She wrote books on numerous topics, including spirituality, parenting, social issues, health, and financial counsel. All of her works point the reader to God and the Bible.
  • Her most translated book, Steps to Christ, a how-to guide on being a Christian, has been translated into more than 165 languages.
  • Smithsonian Magazine named her one of the 100 Most Significant Americans of All Time. (2014)

You should probably add that some of her predictions failed, and that some of her 'medical theories' seem a little bit ridiculous nowadays.
 
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Five "blue zones" on the planet - known for health an long lived people groups - Ellen White started the one at Loma Linda and it is based on her teachings on health. Time has already shown the "result" -- what other Christian leader in the past 200 years can claim that??

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-blue-zone-loma-linda-20150711-story.html

Mere false accusation and speculation alone will not stand up to that kind of time tested fact.
 
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