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What's so great about being a Christian?

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In my opinion, I see no difference than being a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Taoist or a Muslim or a Jew or a Samaritan or a Zoroastrian or anyone of the other religions that people belong to. Like any other religion, Christianity is a worldview that provides an explanation of the world and provides a moral philosophy (ethics) that helps the practitioner live with some sense of meaning/purpose/direction in life, implemented in the beliefs, traditions, and practices. So, what's so great about being a Christian?

1. The theology is confusing, and there are many interpretations to the Bible. Because every Christian likes to think that he/she has the *best* interpretation, this can become quite problematic. I think this is one of the reasons why you are not supposed to cite the Bible in a semi-formal term paper in a college/university English course. No matter how tempting it is, the Bible can't be trusted enough to be used in a term paper, presumably because of the equivocal interpretations. (This has never really happened to me, but I know from a grading rubric that you can't cite the Bible . At the time, I knew very little about the Bible besides a few stories and quotes, so it didn't pertain to me whatsoever.)

2. There are too many dogmas and doctrines to remember. This goes along with the theology. As Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the double-helical model of DNA, thought that all religious beliefs (or dogmas) were without proper foundation, he coined the term "Central Dogma of Biology" based on this notion. If a clergyman were to inform a neophyte about one doctrine in his parish, then that clergyman would be indoctrinating that neophyte. In other words, the neophyte must accept the doctrines without question. That's the purpose of doctrines and indoctrination. You are not supposed to question the doctrines.

3. Like any other religion, there would be rituals. If a person wants to become a Christian, then he/she would wish to become baptized, join the Christian community, and participate in the Eucharist sacrament with other Christians at Holy Communion, and do this on each Sunday for as long as he remains a Christian (hopefully till the day he dies). As an irreligious person, you may forget about rituals altogether and consider doing more productive activities than going to church on Sunday (e.g. donating your money and time to charity or participating in community service or studying/doing your homework/working).

4. It is questionable whether or not morality really does come from God. What is good? What is altruism? Can a person really be altruistic? I don't know about you, but I take an evolutionary approach. Humans, like other animals, are evolved to be selfish. What may appear to be altruism in nature may really be a kind of kin selection, thereby narrowing the possibility of altruism to ever exist. That said, if altruism cannot exist the nature, then why do Christians treat altruism as if it's good and selfishness is bad? Selfishness can be good, if it's benefits the species! I am starting to believe that there is no god, and people aren't good. They are inherently selfish, and even though selfishness can manifest itself in negative ways, the only thing that humans can do is cooperate by loving, caring, and helping each other in order to benefit the species. Selfish as it may be, but at least it's better than self-destruction and a total wipe-out of the species.

5. Reading the Bible is difficult, boring, completely irrelevant, and time-consuming. It's difficult, because it's like reading what people from millenia ago, people with a different sort of mentality, thought about the world who wrote terse stories without any explanation for what they meant. Personally, I feel that reading the Bible is as difficult as reading poetry. Sure, there are laws in the Bible, but the laws are never really taken seriously anymore due to concerns about human rights. It's boring, because I usually have no idea what I have just read after reading it, and if I do have a hint of the interpretation, it is most likely going to be wrong or debatable. It's irrelevant, because I live in the modern age. The authors probably have no idea what it's like to live in the 21st century. The only thing that the Bible would be useful and valuable in is that it may be treated as a work of literature (not as a product of God), and as a work of literature, it records human experience and age-old wisdom, from a monotheistic perspective. The only problem is, human experience varies from individual to individual. If two persons are placed in the same situation, there is no doubt that they will interpret the same situation somewhat differently and subjectively. Reading the Bible is also time-consuming. If I have to spend hours and hours trying to understand a passage, then I am going to just quit and forget about reading it! Plus, the Christian Bible includes the Old Testament and the New Testament, so if you think the Hebrew Bible is long, then try reading the Christian Bible (with Apocrypha).

In the end, it seems to me that being a Christian is no better than being an atheist. A Christian would just believe that he/she is better off because he/she is going to justified to go to heaven, but in reality, an atheist who just reads a translation of the Bible out of pleasure and curiosity sounds like a better position to take than a Christian who slavishly reads the Bible out of devotion to God and understand God better and trying to apply an old book to one's life as if every single passage is supposed to be meaningful to the individual.
 
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I don't think you understand what a christian is. If this is your definition, the you are still a bit in the dark about it.

Scripture clarifies a bit of the state of a christian, "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor 6:11

Nothing else offers that. Nothing else provides that. It's not the same to any other religion an any way.

As far as reading the Bible is "illelevant", actually it's more likely it's true when it states:
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
1 Cor 1:18-19
Those who think they have it "all figured out" in their own heads will be only shown as the foolish in the end.
 
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A big part of the problem is someone who hasn't accepted Christ for eternal life can't understand the rest.

What's good about being a Christian?

Peace. God gives us intense peace even when in the direst of situations.

Eternal Life. None of the religions you mentioned offer that; none of the other leaders professed even to be God. Jesus Christ is and can.

Love. God loves you. The others discuss internal and personal love and "peace" but it's not from God that way.

Christianity is a way of life... "faith-ing" and isn't a man-made religion, as the others are.... sorry didn't mean to compare but your post begged it...

There really is no comparison.
Choose God. He's the real thing. :hug:
 
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The benefit of being a Christians is being part of what God is doing in the world--to follow Jesus and be member of His work to and for the world.

If, however, this God-work which Christianity claims is true is actually false, then there is no benefit to being a Christian. As St. Paul says, if Christ is not risen, then we are to be pitied more than any other people.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The benefit of being a Christians is being part of what God is doing in the world--to follow Jesus and be member of His work to and for the world.

If what you have said means "follow Jesus and serve the community", then how is that different from "love others and serve the community"?

If, however, this God-work which Christianity claims is true is actually false, then there is no benefit to being a Christian. As St. Paul says, if Christ is not risen, then we are to be pitied more than any other people.

-CryptoLutheran

So, does that mean that if Christianity is false, then Christians are to be pitied more than other people? Offering pity may be considered a good thing. Receiving pity may also be considered a good thing. What's your point?
 
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If what you have said means "follow Jesus and serve the community", then how is that different from "love others and serve the community"?

Because we believe God is actually at work, doing something and that what He has done to and for the world in and through Jesus of Nazareth means something. It's not simply being charitable, it's bearing the Divine Healing of the Gospel to the world of sin and death.

So, does that mean that if Christianity is false, then Christians are to be pitied more than other people? Offering pity may be considered a good thing. Receiving pity may also be considered a good thing. What's your point?

Pity, not as in sympathy. But as in our religion is worthless, our way of life is worthless, we have done all things in vain and it is entirely and in all ways meaningless. If Christ has not risen, if God is not repairing the world, if there is no salvation, then Christianity is a meaningless, pointless, and entirely worthless thing.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Because we believe God is actually at work, doing something and that what He has done to and for the world in and through Jesus of Nazareth means something. It's not simply being charitable, it's bearing the Divine Healing of the Gospel to the world of sin and death.

Pity, not as in sympathy. But as in our religion is worthless, our way of life is worthless, we have done all things in vain and it is entirely and in all ways meaningless. If Christ has not risen, if God is not repairing the world, if there is no salvation, then Christianity is a meaningless, pointless, and entirely worthless thing.

-CryptoLutheran

Oh. Since resurrection would entail divine providence, which is itself a supernatural and superstitious event, and since the supernatural is difficult to believe to exist, does that mean Jesus never resurrected and thus Christianity would be automatically false? How do you know that Jesus really did resurrect, or you really do not know but just "believe" or assume that he did to claim that your religion is true?

What about secular humanism or Unitarian Universalism? They may not be considered Christians, but they are certainly being charitable! You can be charitable without the Gospel! :D
 
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1. The theology is confusing,
2. There are too many dogmas and doctrines to remember.
3. Like any other religion, there would be rituals.
4. It is questionable whether or not morality really does come from God.
5. Reading the Bible is difficult, boring, completely irrelevant, and time-consuming..


All of that is not Christianity, in short.

Rituals? I have no religious rituals. Many do, I do not see that as having anything to do with the gospels. Plenty of Christians keep no rituals.

Prayer is not a ritual, it is not a monologue, it is a dialogue.

That is, how it should be, anyway.

Doctrines and dogma... the sayings of Jesus are all you need to know, one can go further or not. Most - as Scripture even says - go further in the completely wrong direction.

I do not think such people really care about the truth or immortality of their soul.

Morality, is always difficult, unless you want to live in a very black and white universe. The Law seems very black and white on the surface, and many go into Christianity thinking they want to follow those Christians who have made themselves "teachers of the Law".

But that has nothing to do with Christian morality, Christian morality is taught by Jesus. In short, it is to "do to others as you would have them do to you", as Jesus said even "in short", and teachings on being non-judgmental, forgiving, and loving.

As for God being good, that is evident to all. As for there being good and evil behaviors, that, too, is evident to all. Personally, I enjoy morally challenging fiction, where the protagonist has to make many difficult moral calls.

And as for number five, your last point, all anyone should read to start is the Gospels.

I started from the first of the book, my own self, but I was deeply interested in getting the whole story and I am a very strong reader.


Christianity is not a religion like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism or something. Not true Christianity. It is a call to immortality. Some of these other religions promise immortality, but they will give no proof of it in this life.

We find immortality in this life.

We become new creatures and enter into a new world, the Kingdom of God.

There are the poor, the pure in heart, those who eagerly seek for justice, those who mourn.... these nobodies of the world, who know there must be more. They are the ones God taps on the shoulder and calls to the Kingdom.


If you are conned to believe Christianity is "just some church", I can assure you that is wrong. You do not go to some building and find God, you find God in your heart, waiting.

There is nothing one must do to be saved, but to believe on the Son, Jesus Christ, and what message he gave the world.
 
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1. The theology is confusing, and there are many interpretations to the Bible. Because every Christian likes to think that he/she has the *best* interpretation, this can become quite problematic.

No decent Christian falls into this trap of pride

I think this is one of the reasons why you are not supposed to cite the Bible in a semi-formal term paper in a college/university English course.

This has nothing to do with it. Surely you know that?

2. There are too many dogmas and doctrines to remember. This goes along with the theology. As Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the double-helical model of DNA, thought that all religious beliefs (or dogmas) were without proper foundation, he coined the term "Central Dogma of Biology" based on this notion. If a clergyman were to inform a neophyte about one doctrine in his parish, then that clergyman would be indoctrinating that neophyte. In other words, the neophyte must accept the doctrines without question. That's the purpose of doctrines and indoctrination. You are not supposed to question the doctrines.

There is NO element of Christianity like that

3. Like any other religion, there would be rituals. If a person wants to become a Christian, then he/she would wish to become baptized, join the Christian community, and participate in the Eucharist sacrament with other Christians at Holy Communion, and do this on each Sunday for as long as he remains a Christian (hopefully till the day he dies).

Strawman. Seriously, you're sounding like a poe for atheism

4. It is questionable whether or not morality really does come from God.

I am starting to believe that there is no god, and people aren't good. They are inherently selfish, and even though selfishness can manifest itself in negative ways, the only thing that humans can do is cooperate by loving, caring, and helping each other in order to benefit the species.


This entire (truncated) point, is one big mess. The only thing humans can do? How man mass murders have there been just since this summer? I know of 4.

5. Reading the Bible is difficult, boring, completely irrelevant, and time-consuming. It's difficult, because it's like reading what people from millenia ago, people with a different sort of mentality, thought about the world who wrote terse stories without any explanation for what they meant.

No, it's not like that - it IS that! Tell ya what; you only do things that are easy. Let me know how that works out for you.

Personally, I feel that reading the Bible ... It's boring, because I usually have no idea what I have just read after reading it, and if I do have a hint of the interpretation, it is most likely going to be wrong or debatable.

This is the way it's SUPPOSED to be!! Here, you are actually WAY ahead of the curve most atheists find themselves on. There is a learning curve that includes suffering, patience, and humility. Like a butterfly that has to break out of it's cocoon, this is how it strengthens what is needed to fly.

It's irrelevant, because I live in the modern age. The authors probably have no idea what it's like to live in the 21st century.

Probably?!? :doh: Of course Isaiah had no idea was 2012 is like!
In no way does that make him irrelevant; rather, it defines the relevance.
 
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Oh. Since resurrection would entail divine providence, which is itself a supernatural and superstitious event

Those 2 are not synonyms

and since the supernatural is difficult to believe to exist

Speak for yourself! With all I've experienced, I could not possibly NOT believe in the Spiritual realm
 
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Hi Christianity is far from irrelevant for today. God is real and has real communication with us today, as he has done with many people of many generations. The bible is mans experiences with God as recorded by them. As such it give us a picture of how God relates to man. There is nothing wrong with studying ancient literature as a guide for today, as peoples natures and habits are the same regardless of age or duration.

You see God as not useful for daily life but God has always been interested in my life and has even done things as simple as preventing us from buying a bad investment property and prevented me from other bad personal decisions. Read about them in full at Know God Personally II have cut and pasted one story here from my website where God prevented us from making a bad financial decision. The website contains many miraculous stories.

On the 10 of October 2012 the LORD prevented us from making a bad financial decision. Me and my wife had found a house that we thought could be a good investment for our future. But our pastor prayed about it and felt that it was not going to be a good investment. So I prayed that if it was not a good investment God would get the bible to open randomly to James 4:13-15, otherwise the bible would open to the verse in Mal 3:10 about God blessing our finances. I opened my bible on the computer and moved my hand quickly and randomly, first selecting a book of the bible, then a verse, all without looking where I was choosing, and it opened to James 4:13-15 so I knew that God did not want us to go ahead. Jas 4:13-15 “Some of you say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to some city. We will stay there a year, do business, and make money." Listen, think about this: You don't know what will happen tomorrow. Your life is like a fog. You can see it for a short time, but then it goes away. So you should say, "If the Lord wants, we will live and do this or that."
 
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Christianity is not about these things. These things are what religious people need, people who do not simply have a relationship with the Father.

1. The theology is confusing....
The theology of Christianity: God is love. He wants in to our lives. He interacts with humanity to bring us to that relationship - the fullest expression of who he is - is Jesus of Nazareth - His Son. The Bible is about God's quest to win the hearts of people.
(by the way, there is no universal rubric that prohibits the use of the Bible in academic papers - rubrics do nothing more than let students know what the prof/teacher is looking for)

2. There are too many dogmas and doctrines to remember.
3. Like any other religion, there would be rituals.
Yes, Jesus died to free us from this legalism. Dogmas and doctrines are for people who are not in the family - or don't realize they are.

4. It is questionable whether or not morality really does come from God.
The fact that we all have certain beliefs about what is right and what is wrong - for example, it's wrong to murder people, it's wrong to steal, it's wrong to betray those who love you, etc - this fact shows that the Creator put these beliefs into us. He also put laws into us that preserve the survival of our species. These beliefs and laws reflect His own character.

5. Reading the Bible is difficult, boring, completely irrelevant, and time-consuming.
I think reading the Bible is for Christians. It is written by God's people, for God's people, and it is going to be difficult, boring, and irrelevant for people who do not belong to Him. It's somewhat difficult and boring for me when I am not in the right frame of mind. One big key: whoever seeks Him wholeheartedly will find Him.

One thing I love about being a Christian, particularly in my most plugged-in-to-Him times, is the harmony with all that is true and real. Creation is most perverse to me when I am not in step with God..
 
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Hestha, read Francis Schaeffer's book(s) especially the first two :

Volume 1 : A Christian View of Philosophy and Culture

Book 1:The God Who is There
Book 2: Escape from Reason

They will give you the answers to your questions posed. I assure you that it will be worth your timeand be very informative.
 
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You do not go to some building and find God, you find God in your heart, waiting.

From a Southern Baptist perspective, I thought you had to go to church to receive the word or message of God in order to find God in your heart and believe and come to Christian life of repentance and faith.
 
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From a Southern Baptist perspective, I thought you had to go to church to receive the word or message of God in order to find God in your heart and believe and come to Christian life of repentance and faith.
You could throw a whole BUNCH of people in that bag...
 
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No, it's not like that - it IS that! Tell ya what; you only do things that are easy. Let me know how that works out for you.

Well, when I read literature, I expect things to be easy to digest. The problem with reading the Bible is that I have to rely on annotations in the footnotes. Take the instance, "Matthew 13:17 Truly I say to you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it." Without annotations, one may think, "Huh? What are they talking about? If I were in the audience, all I would see is a preacher preaching in the middle of a pasture." It's not until you get to the footnotes when you see that it's about (or supposed to be about) Jesus's message about God's kingdom. And I am reading from The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha. See what I mean? I presume that the authors of the book derive their annotations from oral tradition by talking to Christian priests in order to insert that interpretation into the Bible. Reading the Bible becomes an immense hassle, because it's written completely in poetic verse.


This is the way it's SUPPOSED to be!! Here, you are actually WAY ahead of the curve most atheists find themselves on. There is a learning curve that includes suffering, patience, and humility. Like a butterfly that has to break out of it's cocoon, this is how it strengthens what is needed to fly.

So, I am supposed to read with suffering, patience, and humility? Grrrrr.....

I don't want to suffer by enduring the long passages of text without having a clue. I don't have any patience, when it comes to interpreting the text only to find that my interpretation is either wrong, dubious, or debatable. I also don't want to be "humble", because being humble means that you accept a lower inferior position instead of thinking you know what the Bible is all about.
 
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In my opinion, I see no difference than being a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Taoist or a Muslim or a Jew or a Samaritan or a Zoroastrian or anyone of the other religions that people belong to. Like any other religion, Christianity is a worldview that provides an explanation of the world and provides a moral philosophy (ethics) that helps the practitioner live with some sense of meaning/purpose/direction in life, implemented in the beliefs, traditions, and practices. So, what's so great about being a Christian?

1. The theology is confusing, and there are many interpretations to the Bible. Because every Christian likes to think that he/she has the *best* interpretation, this can become quite problematic. I think this is one of the reasons why you are not supposed to cite the Bible in a semi-formal term paper in a college/university English course. No matter how tempting it is, the Bible can't be trusted enough to be used in a term paper, presumably because of the equivocal interpretations. (This has never really happened to me, but I know from a grading rubric that you can't cite the Bible . At the time, I knew very little about the Bible besides a few stories and quotes, so it didn't pertain to me whatsoever.)

2. There are too many dogmas and doctrines to remember. This goes along with the theology. As Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the double-helical model of DNA, thought that all religious beliefs (or dogmas) were without proper foundation, he coined the term "Central Dogma of Biology" based on this notion. If a clergyman were to inform a neophyte about one doctrine in his parish, then that clergyman would be indoctrinating that neophyte. In other words, the neophyte must accept the doctrines without question. That's the purpose of doctrines and indoctrination. You are not supposed to question the doctrines.

3. Like any other religion, there would be rituals. If a person wants to become a Christian, then he/she would wish to become baptized, join the Christian community, and participate in the Eucharist sacrament with other Christians at Holy Communion, and do this on each Sunday for as long as he remains a Christian (hopefully till the day he dies). As an irreligious person, you may forget about rituals altogether and consider doing more productive activities than going to church on Sunday (e.g. donating your money and time to charity or participating in community service or studying/doing your homework/working).

4. It is questionable whether or not morality really does come from God. What is good? What is altruism? Can a person really be altruistic? I don't know about you, but I take an evolutionary approach. Humans, like other animals, are evolved to be selfish. What may appear to be altruism in nature may really be a kind of kin selection, thereby narrowing the possibility of altruism to ever exist. That said, if altruism cannot exist the nature, then why do Christians treat altruism as if it's good and selfishness is bad? Selfishness can be good, if it's benefits the species! I am starting to believe that there is no god, and people aren't good. They are inherently selfish, and even though selfishness can manifest itself in negative ways, the only thing that humans can do is cooperate by loving, caring, and helping each other in order to benefit the species. Selfish as it may be, but at least it's better than self-destruction and a total wipe-out of the species.

5. Reading the Bible is difficult, boring, completely irrelevant, and time-consuming. It's difficult, because it's like reading what people from millenia ago, people with a different sort of mentality, thought about the world who wrote terse stories without any explanation for what they meant. Personally, I feel that reading the Bible is as difficult as reading poetry. Sure, there are laws in the Bible, but the laws are never really taken seriously anymore due to concerns about human rights. It's boring, because I usually have no idea what I have just read after reading it, and if I do have a hint of the interpretation, it is most likely going to be wrong or debatable. It's irrelevant, because I live in the modern age. The authors probably have no idea what it's like to live in the 21st century. The only thing that the Bible would be useful and valuable in is that it may be treated as a work of literature (not as a product of God), and as a work of literature, it records human experience and age-old wisdom, from a monotheistic perspective. The only problem is, human experience varies from individual to individual. If two persons are placed in the same situation, there is no doubt that they will interpret the same situation somewhat differently and subjectively. Reading the Bible is also time-consuming. If I have to spend hours and hours trying to understand a passage, then I am going to just quit and forget about reading it! Plus, the Christian Bible includes the Old Testament and the New Testament, so if you think the Hebrew Bible is long, then try reading the Christian Bible (with Apocrypha).

In the end, it seems to me that being a Christian is no better than being an atheist. A Christian would just believe that he/she is better off because he/she is going to justified to go to heaven, but in reality, an atheist who just reads a translation of the Bible out of pleasure and curiosity sounds like a better position to take than a Christian who slavishly reads the Bible out of devotion to God and understand God better and trying to apply an old book to one's life as if every single passage is supposed to be meaningful to the individual.

In a few words....there is nothing better than being a real Christian because there is so much to look forward to in this life, and moreso in the next . Christianity, real Christianity (not religiousity performed by way of madeup church rituals, madeup sacraments , jumping thru hoops , etc...) , is about as simple as it can get because it comes from the Creator . I wouldnt want to be anything but a Christian.

Many people only care to dabble or are looking for entertainment value concerning investigating Christianity...but for the real honest Skeptic id start here : Answers for Atheists and Agnostics then see if the other World Religions can offer cogent compelling answers Also, see how if Modern Science confirms what that Religions Book and Founder said and recorded . Youll find as the Leader of the Human Genome Project said , that : ' Modern Science and the Christian Faith are compatible' and if you really do some heavy investigation, youll find what agnostic NASA Scientist Dr. Robert Jastrow concluded in his book , that : 'ALL of the sciences are leading back to the book of Genesis where a band of Theologians are sitting on the other side of a big rock reciting IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED ' ! (this quote is from his book God and the Astronomers and he says he is an agnostic) .

If you want to examine the New Testament evidence from a Court of Law evidential-techniques standpoint (used to establish credibility and truth) ... then look at THE Worlds foremost law professor on the subject named Prof. Simon Greenleaf who as an agnostic was challenged by his class to put the N.T. on a mock trial to see how it stands up ; after he was done , he became a Follower of Christ based solely on the compelling evidence . His Law Techniques are still being taught around the world at Law Schools . Read his N.T. conclusions in his treatise called 'Testimony of the Evangelist' .

Finally, get the book called 'I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist' by Dr. Geisler and Turek which shows the impossible faith required to be a real Atheist along with ALL the evidences for God, Jesus, ressurection, Bible, etc...in the last half of the book (www.impactapologetics.com) . Look into free seminars he puts on around the nation by the same title at www.cross-examined.org (or .com) -- the seminar is awesome and he goes to alot of Colleges to put it on .

You need to honesty go at it with an unbiased Mind and Heart without coming to the table presupposing that there is no God . Or presupposing that the Christian Faith is wrong. Or presupposing that everything we have came about by natural causes only. A real honest Skeptic always is willing to go where the truth leads , without allowing pride to get in the way.

The rest is up to you , involving your Will .
 
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