What's so bad about the Book of Mormon?

smaneck · May 17, 2015

Kristin E said:
You also believe in lying to the infidel aka Christians so you sir can have a nice day.

Wrong once again. Taqiyyih is used by Shi'ite Muslims, not Sunnis. Paul is a Sunnni. Furthermore it is used by Shi'ites against Sunni Muslims, not infidels and not Christians. You really should learn something about this religion before you start spouting off all this nonsense.

Zoness · May 17, 2015

Kristin E said:
They're ISIS.

I imagine that if ISIS were as large as the Muslim population (1+ billion) I imagine we'd probably know about that since they'd more or less control the world. As it stands, they make up a small portion of the Muslim world.

Red Fox · May 17, 2015

Aryeh Jay said:
According to this site, the Catholic Church is Christian, I’m sure the Catholics would be surprised.

I'm not so sure they would be surprised though, it's not like it was the first time for a protestant to accuse them of not being Christian.

FreeinChrist · May 17, 2015

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A New Dawn · May 18, 2015

Ironhold said:
I literally said just a few pages back that one of my ancestors was there at the time and was one of the witnesses.

Yes, I read what you said, but I am relying on quotes, and so is everyone else who does research. There was no recorded instance of anyone mentioning an incident of that nature for close to 20 years after the fact. Please read what I said and stop adding to it.

fatboys · May 18, 2015

A New Dawn said:
Yes, I read what you said, but I am relying on quotes, and so is everyone else who does research. There was no recorded instance of anyone mentioning an incident of that nature for close to 20 years after the fact. Please read what I said and stop adding to it.

There is a book out that has found in many members journals of witnessing the transfiguration. So you are wrong

A New Dawn · May 18, 2015

fatboys said:
There is a book out that has found in many members journals of witnessing the transfiguration. So you are wrong

Is there a name for that book, and are the journal entries cited?

Hi, BTW.

Ironhold · May 18, 2015

mmksparbud said:
[Q

It's the critics of the church who argue that sex took place.

Please be so kind as to explain "via natural means."[/QUOTE]

"Natural means" is the exact quote from the sermon at the heart of the matter.

He was responding to a controversy that was being debated among the membership at the time, and took a few moments from a planned sermon to try and dispel matters.

Ironhold · May 18, 2015

Kristin E said:
They're ISIS.

No, ISIS is a radicalized sect, one that even most mainline Muslims are quick to condemn.

zelosravioli · May 18, 2015

Wow... Where to start? I was going to respond but it will take too long to correct all your errors. (The way, post 229)
All your errors, you mean. We can start with Joe was a false prophet.
So I will simply say that almost everything you said about the Mormon Church is incorrect... (The way, post 229)
And I will say it is all correct. I said: "... there is only 'one' God, certainly not many, maybe even millions of Gods as Mormons teach. Mormons teach that God was once a man, and that we also can become God just as God became a God" how about that, are you saying this is incorrect?
Not only that, but the few things you stated that you got from your Bible studies are wrong as well. But that's what happens when you get your information from Anti-Mormons' (The way, post 229)
I was Mormon, and I am still on their books as LDS. I got all my information first hand, and it is still right here at my fingertips.

smaneck · May 18, 2015

Kristin E said:
They're ISIS.

Really? And when did you join the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda?

smaneck · May 18, 2015

Ironhold said:
No, ISIS is a radicalized sect, one that even most mainline Muslims are quick to condemn.

It is an apocalyptic cult.

ViaCrucis · May 18, 2015

smaneck said:
Really? And when did you join the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda?

That's a far better example than the one I used which was removed.

-CryptoLutheran

zelosravioli · May 18, 2015

'He was responding to a controversy that was being debated among the membership at the time, and took a few moments from a planned sermon to try and dispel matters' (Ironhold #350)
I think Ol' BY started a controversy, rather than dispel anything. I have never heard of anything like this outside of Mormonism:

"I could tell you much more about this; but were I to tell you the whole truth, blasphemy would be nothing to it, in the estimation of the superstitious and overrighteous of mankind. However, I have told you the truth as far as I have gone. I have heard men preach upon the divinity of Christ, and exhaust all the wisdom they possessed. All Scripturalists, and approved theologians who were considered exemplary for piety and education, have undertaken to expound on this subject, in every age of the Christian era; and after they have done all, they are obliged to conclude by exclaiming “great is the mystery of godliness,” and tell nothing. It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, “it is an immaterial substance!” What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation. I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and forever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. I will repeat a little anecdote. I was in conversation with a certain learned professor upon this subject, when I replied, to this idea—“if the Son was begotten by the Holy Ghost, it would be very dangerous to baptize and confirm females, and give the Holy Ghost to them, lest he should beget children, to be palmed upon the Elders by the people, bringing the Elders into great difficulties.” Treasure up these things in your hearts. In the Bible, you have read the things I have told you tonight; but you have not known what you did read. I have told you no more than you are conversant with; but what do the people in Christendom, with the Bible in their hands, know about this subject? Comparatively nothing"

(Brigham Young. Journal of Discourses, pg 51)

Besides using the word Elohim as a name for God, and believing Michael the angel is Deity, B.Y. also refers to Adam as the Father, who also beget Jesus. And not the Holy Spirit. That is at 'least' four mistakes in one chapter. All the while proclaiming all other theologians as having told nothing!

fatboys · May 19, 2015

A New Dawn said:
Is there a name for that book, and are the journal entries cited?

Hi, BTW.

There one by Lynne Watkins Jorgensen called "the mantle of the prophet Joseph smith passes Brigham young.

smaneck · May 19, 2015

zelosravioli said:
Besides using the word Elohim as a name for God, and believing Michael the angel is Deity, B.Y. also refers to Adam as the Father, who also beget Jesus. And not the Holy Spirit. That is at 'least' four mistakes in one chapter. All the while proclaiming all other theologians as having told nothing!

Mormons, are such discourses considered authoritative in your religion?

Niblo · May 19, 2015

smaneck said:
It is an apocalyptic cult.

Exactly.

mmksparbud · May 19, 2015

Ironhold said:
Please be so kind as to explain "via natural means."

"Natural means" is the exact quote from the sermon at the heart of the matter.

He was responding to a controversy that was being debated among the membership at the time, and took a few moments from a planned sermon to try and dispel matters.[/QUOTE]

I asked for an explanation of "natural means"--if that, as you say, does not include sex, than what is natural about a virgin giving birth?? I am asking what Joseph Smith meant by natural means, you say it does not mean sex, that your church does not teach God and Mary had sex, so what does Joseph Smith mean by saying she got pregnant by natural means?

silvermoon383 · May 19, 2015

smaneck said:
Mormons, are such discourses considered authoritative in your religion?

No.

BigDaddy4 · May 19, 2015

silvermoon383 said:
No.

Now that's just a tad bit dishonest. While the Journal of Discourses may not be one of the lds 4 standard works, would you deny that any or all of the 4 errors that were pointed out by zelosravioli in post #356 either have been or still are being taught within your church?

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