What's so bad about the Book of Mormon?

[Ironhold]

(not identified as quotations from the KJV, of course).

This is false.

Back in the late 1970s / early 1980s, headings were added to each chapter as part of the process of making the scriptures into "study" scriptures so that people could have an easier time understanding them.

As part of it, those sections where Jesus is addressing the people and those sections where OT prophets are being quoted for emphasis are, indeed, identified in the headings as such, with notes made as to which chapters from the Bible to compare to.

 

[Albion]

No, it is correct...and this is one item about which anyone with a copy of the BOM can easily check out for himself. I wouldn't doubt that there is some sort of "Study BOM" such as you have described, but the BOM itself does contain a number of passages lifted verbatim from the KJV and without any reference to them being from the KJV.

 

[seekingsolace]

We're all the siblings of one another in the spiritual sense.

This makes Jesus and Satan our brothers, as well.

Most critics of the church don't want to admit that.

Are you? So you see no spiritual distinction between saved and unsaved...

 

[drstevej]

We're all the siblings of one another in the spiritual sense.

This makes Jesus and Satan our brothers, as well.

Most critics of the church don't want to admit that.

So is Satan Heavenly Mother's son?

 

[Albion]

We're all the siblings of one another in the spiritual sense.

This makes Jesus and Satan our brothers, as well.

Not unless all living things, from God to Man to carrots, are siblings of each other. In other words, "NO."

 

[smaneck]

So is Satan Heavenly Mother's son?

Is Satan not God's son?

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them." Job 1:6

 

[LoAmmi]

Is Satan not God's son?

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them." Job 1:6

Job 1 always amuses me. Verse 7 is HaShem just asking Satan "Where have you been?" as if the guy was expected back a few hours before for dinner or something.

 

[gord44]

Job 1 always amuses me. Verse 7 is HaShem just asking Satan "Where have you been?" as if the guy was expected back a few hours before for dinner or something.

As God's faithful servant, he probably expects Satan to be on time and not doddle.

 

[smaneck]

Job 1 always amuses me. Verse 7 is HaShem just asking Satan "Where have you been?" as if the guy was expected back a few hours before for dinner or something.

And then they start placing their bets over poor Job.

 

[Ironhold]

No, it is correct...and this is one item about which anyone with a copy of the BOM can easily check out for himself. I wouldn't doubt that there is some sort of "Study BOM" such as you have described, but the BOM itself does contain a number of passages lifted verbatim from the KJV and without any reference to them being from the KJV.

"Some sort of"?

It's been the standard version of the BoM since the 1980s.

How old is your research material if you don't know this?

 

[KatyAD111]

I don't know. You know, I tried to read it once and I got a bad feeling from it. I kind of feel like the devil kind pulled the same thing on James Smith as he did on Mohammed. I really would pray and ask the whats right.

-Katy

 

[smaneck]

I don't know. You know, I tried to read it once and I got a bad feeling from it. I kind of feel like the devil kind pulled the same thing on James Smith as he did on Mohammed. I really would pray and ask the whats right.
-Katy

Try Joseph Smith. This the World Religion Forum and some of us don't the devil pulled anything on Muhammad. I tried reading the Book of Mormon when I was 16. I stopped because I found it too redundant and didn't like God turning everyone's face black when He got mad. But I read the Qur'an in its entirety that same year and have read it many times since.

 

[zelosravioli]

Joe Smith was a very imaginative writer, and he wrote the book of Mormon hoping to sell it. Many hundreds of other apocrypha, pseudepigrapha, Gnostic and other spurious writings have been written since 300B.C. Joe Smith simply is 'one of many' plagiarists before him. Most 'all' of these pseudepigrapha try to write in a style that copies and sounds like a biblical style and prose but most also rely heavily on plagiarizing the original scriptures for their own benefit and look of authenticity. Joe's work is like someone who put the bible in a mix-master with a few other documents, and his own imagination, and pushed the button. BOM verses contain lifted sayings of Jesus, Paul and Peter often in the 'same' sentence, strung together in completely different contexts and in a merry go round storyline. Joseph was also seriously involved with money digging, involving the use of peep stones and divination at the same time he put the BOM together, all these practices were highly condemned by God, and are seriously the antithesis of any of Gods revelation.

I will note that the OP is correct that the BOM is a very Christian sounding document, I would personally defend that the BOM is amazingly theologically sound as Joe had no intention of changing doctrines at that time. Joe changed his doctrines eventually, as in the coming of his King Follett sermon, and 'many' later 'revelations'. The Book of Commandments and subsequent additional teachings would add up to Mormonism having practically 'nothing' in common with Evangelical and Christian Theology. It is a great point in questioning Mormonism as to why practically none of their theology can be made to agree with the BOM.

Mormons themselves are generally 'wonderful' people, as their faith is a blend of Law keeping with a understanding of grace throughout. It creates a form of godliness, but is completely missing the True God and Savior / the truth of our sin / and with all the wild imaginations and teachings of Smith thrown in, it blinds Mormons to the true Scriptures, and misrepresents God and His Word as well... and that is just the beginning of Mormonisms errors...

 

[smaneck]

Joe Smith was a very imaginative writer, and he wrote the book of Mormon hoping to sell it.

And you know his motivations, how?

Many hundreds of other apocrypha, pseudepigrapha, Gnostic and spurious writings have been written since 300B.C.

And a lot of them ended up in the Bible.

 

[Ironhold]

Joe Smith was a very imaginative writer, and he wrote the book of Mormon hoping to sell it. Many hundreds of other apocrypha, pseudepigrapha, Gnostic and other spurious writings have been written since 300B.C. Joe Smith simply is 'one of many' plagiarists before him. Most 'all' of these pseudepigrapha try to write in a style that copies and sounds like a biblical style and prose but most also rely heavily on plagiarizing the original scriptures for their own benefit and look of authenticity. Joe's work is like someone who put the bible in a mix-master with a few other documents, and his own imagination, and pushed the button. BOM verses contain lifted sayings of Jesus, Paul and Peter often in the 'same' sentence, strung together in completely different contexts and in a merry go round storyline. Joseph was also seriously involved with money digging, involving the use of peep stones and divination at the same time he put the BOM together, all these practices were highly condemned by God, and are seriously the antithesis of any of Gods revelation.

I will note that the OP is correct that the BOM is a very Christian sounding document, I would personally defend that the BOM is amazingly theologically sound as Joe had no intention of changing doctrines at that time. Joe changed his doctrines eventually, as in the coming of his King Follett sermon, and 'many' later 'revelations'. The Book of Commandments and subsequent additional teachings would add up to Mormonism having practically 'nothing' in common with Evangelical and Christian Theology. It is a great point in questioning Mormonism as to why practically none of their theology can be made to agree with the BOM.

Mormons themselves are generally 'wonderful' people, as their faith is a blend of Law keeping with a understanding of grace throughout. It creates a form of godliness, but is completely missing the True God and Savior / the truth of our sin / and with all the wild imaginations and teachings of Smith thrown in, it blinds Mormons to the true Scriptures, and misrepresents God and His Word as well... and that is just the beginning of Mormonisms errors...

[citation needed]

 

[A New Dawn]

"Some sort of"?

It's been the standard version of the BoM since the 1980s.

How old is your research material if you don't know this?

What does this have to do with the author of the BoM acknowledging that he plagiarized whole sections of the Bible?

 

[Theway]

I tried reading the Book of Mormon when I was 16. I stopped because I found it too redundant and didn't like God turning everyone's face black when He got mad.

Really??? I've read the Book of Mormon more than a few times and I don't recall ever reading that?

Could you please provide a reference?

 

[smaneck]

Really??? I've read the Book of Mormon more than a few times and I don't recall ever reading that?

Could you please provide a reference?

LOL. You are talking about a book I read over forty years ago!

If I still had my Ocean software (which included all the Mormon scriptures) I could tell you, but not off the top of my head. Obviously, it was in the first third of the book though, because that was as far as I got.

Look, I'm not trying to bust your chops as Mormons over this, I'm just telling you my reaction to reading the book a long, long time ago.

 

[drstevej]

2 Nephi 5:20-21

20 Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence.


21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

 

[Ironhold]

The above, BTW, was done as a last-ditch effort to keep feuding factions apart lest the colony they started wind up in danger of self-destruction.