What'll happen?

[Patmosman_sga]

Originally posted by Stormy
What???

Please explain this insult.


Any Christian Church should be proud to have Rollin as a member!

There is only one Christian Church: the one Jesus established and the Apostles built. Negative and escapist eschatology is not a part of Apostolic teaching. The Church looks forward to the redemption of history and creation in Christ. It embodies this hope as it endures the trials and tribulations of this world, knowing that, as Christ suffered before entering into his glory, so the Church, his bride, must likewise suffer in order to share with him in that glory.

Reducing this hope to dualistic escapism--the Church being "raptured" to heaven before a time of tribulation on earth--goes beyond the pale of Apostolic teaching and is, therefore, rejected by most major branches of Christianity including Anglican, Orthodox, Catholic, and the majority of Reformed churches. It is accepted only in certain sectarian and dissenting (Baptist) traditions, as well as any number of so-called "independent" churches.

This is not to say that anyone should be excluded from church membership because of their eschatological views. It is only to say that the Church has, historically, held that some views are valid and others are not.

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

Originally posted by Patmosman_sga
The Methodist Church was fouded by John Wesley. In its present American incarnation, it is unfortunately dominated by heretics and apostates, including a good number who are infatuated with "gloablist" thinking. It is much the same in most "mainline" Protestant denominations. If you can find a perfect church this side of eternity, then I'll be happy to join it. But I don't think such a body would be very welcoming to your far-fetched eschatology.

In the meantime, I will contend for the Apostolic Faith in this mission field known as The United Methodist Church. It is where God has placed me until he tells me otherwise.

Once again you cast the first stone. But it is your words that judge your own denomination. Condemnation by one of it's own leaders is not what I would call a loyal member. A house divided against itself will never stand.

You are very clearly a scoffer. And it's perfectly alright if you think I'm a dreamer, out of touch with reality or whatever else you may wish to call it. One of these days very soon, you won't have to put up with me or my kind, or anyone else that holds to sound doctrine. You can keep on following your teachings of mere men, but I hope you remember, when it happens, that we tried to warn you about the day of deception that will soon take place, and that you will not take the mark of the beast.

When I was an unbeliever, I understood the scriptures the way you do now. You only see the surface. It is my prayer that you would ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding, so you may see before it is too late. I would give up on following Wesley if I were you. He was just as blind as the rest of the scoffers. The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. All you have to do is knock and the door will open, seek and you will find.

I see how you always try to use those real long words that force people to get out there dictionaries. That's not good preaching. Jesus would have never done it that way. All it does is put people to sleep. When Jesus taught, even a child could understand. He even used parables so the blind could see. The spiritually blind I mean. I don't think anyone is impressed with your big words and I would doubt if anyone is actually using their dictionary here, but it's clear that some are trying to figure out what you're trying to say, because you still haven't a clue.

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

Originally posted by Stormy
What???

Please explain this insult.


Any Christian Church should be proud to have Rollin as a member!

Thanks Stormy,

For that you get a    

Don't mind him. He attacked me on day one. He likes to dish it out, but he doesn't like to take it. I think he is just feeling a little insecure, who knows?? I only came back here to see if it was true about the Methodists. And he verified what I was looking for. That denomination is a cult. But what is odd to know is that Bush is a Methodist. I was putting two and two together the other day, and it is kinda scary what I see. It was his father that started this New World Order stuff, and now we have evidence that the globalists are using the Methodist Church, and not only that, but Patmosman is one of their leaders. He admitted it, and more than once.

I really had no intensions of coming back to this forum, but now I'm very glad I did. I just got an e-mail from another forum telling me of a private message, so I'll have to go now. It was nice talking to you, and thanks for your support. It's very rare on this forum lately. See ya - Sis

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
I only came back here to see if it was true about the Methodists. And he verified what I was looking for. That denomination is a cult. But what is odd to know is that Bush is a Methodist. I was putting two and two together the other day, and it is kinda scary what I see. It was his father that started this New World Order stuff, and now we have evidence that the globalists are using the Methodist Church, and not only that, but Patmosman is one of their leaders. He admitted it, and more than once. 

What are you talking about that the Methodist church is a "cult" That is nuts. You need to get your religion out of your head and into your heart. Then when you get your heart right with God, He can do a work to straighten your thinking out. The Methodist Church is one of the most loveing churchs I know. My wife is a Methodist and she is one of the most loving persons I know, the sort of love that works by faith, so also, she has just as much faith as she does love.

If you want to look for problems in the Methodist Church, even John Wesley said that their "method" caused God to prosper them so much that they became to comfortable and their very blessing from God caused them to no longer feel a need for God in their life. But other than that, they are not any different than the vast majority of the other churchs out there. If there is any difference it is that they are more loving and accepting of people.

Why don't you read John Wesleys sermons for yourself and quit going by other people opinions that have no idea what they are talking about.

http://gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

John R7,
That's the beauty of having a free will to choose. Unfortunately many will be deceived. We were clearly warned about the scoffers that would come in the last days, as was heatedly contested when the preterists were invading this forum. I am only going by this mans own words, as he himself is a Methodist Pastor. And as you can tell by his own voluntary statement, he is not very impressed with his denomination. All I did was ask him a simple question, and as usual, he went on the offensive with his little insult, but that's what I expect of him. And I have researched Wesley's sermons and have come to the conclusion that he was a scoffer himself.
Wesley also believed that Revelations has already been fulfilled, hogwash.
Here is Patmosman's own words:

The Methodist Church was fouded by John Wesley. In its present American incarnation, it is unfortunately dominated by heretics and apostates, including a good number who are infatuated with "gloablist" thinking. It is much the same in most "mainline" Protestant denominations. If you can find a perfect church this side of eternity, then I'll be happy to join it. But I don't think such a body would be very welcoming to your far-fetched eschatology.

In the meantime, I will contend for the Apostolic Faith in this mission field known as The United Methodist Church. It is where God has placed me until he tells me otherwise.




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