"Whatever you bind on earth, you have already bound in heaven" What does jesus mean by this, I need a simplified version of the bible because I don't understand Jesus's teachings, well some of them.
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Whatever you bind on earth, you have already bound in heaven
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I believe the Lord was speaking to the disciples.. saying that whatever they allow on earth will be allowed according to heaven. Whatever they disallow on earth will be disallowed according to heaven.
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Athaliamum
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May I suggest this study on Matthew
http://www.yashanet.com/studies/matstudy/index.htm
It will help you to very much understand Yeshua's teachings in their full context. You didn't state what bible you are using either. If it is the NIV I'm not surprised, the NIV adds some stuff that shouldn't be there based upon the interpreters assumption of what some passages mean. I would suggest the New King James Bible.
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"Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Mt 18:18).
The Lord wanted the Church to be a universal sacrament of salvation It is God's will that the forgiveness of sins and the return to divine friendship should be mediated by the Church's action.
http://www.godspy.com/meditations/W...in-heaven-meditation-by-Pope-John-Paul-II.cfm
The Lord wanted the Church to be a universal sacrament of salvation It is God's will that the forgiveness of sins and the return to divine friendship should be mediated by the Church's action.
http://www.godspy.com/meditations/W...in-heaven-meditation-by-Pope-John-Paul-II.cfm
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Matthew 18:1 makes it clear Jesus said this to "disciples," ie believers. Not to any denomination or institution. The "you" refers to Christians, not any denomination.
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Matthew 16:15-20
15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
Who does it appear he is speaking to when Jesus said:
Put the inconvenience of the ramifications of this passage aside for a moment and have a look at what Jesus is saying there.
My understanding is, God has chosen Simon Peter and Jesus states that Peter will be the rock his Church will be built on.
Compare it with the numerous other passages in the Bible, especially this one:
John 21:15-19
15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?
He said to Him, Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.
He said to him, Feed My lambs.
16 He said to him again a second time, Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?
He said to Him, Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.
He said to him, Tend My sheep.
17 He said to him the third time, Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me? Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, Do you love Me?
And he said to Him, Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.
Jesus said to him, Feed My sheep. 18 Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish. 19 This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, Follow Me.
Study who Peter was in the New Testament and it will shed a lot of light into Matthew 16:15-20.
15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
Who does it appear he is speaking to when Jesus said:
Put the inconvenience of the ramifications of this passage aside for a moment and have a look at what Jesus is saying there.
My understanding is, God has chosen Simon Peter and Jesus states that Peter will be the rock his Church will be built on.
Compare it with the numerous other passages in the Bible, especially this one:
John 21:15-19
15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?
He said to Him, Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.
He said to him, Feed My lambs.
16 He said to him again a second time, Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?
He said to Him, Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.
He said to him, Tend My sheep.
17 He said to him the third time, Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me? Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, Do you love Me?
And he said to Him, Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.
Jesus said to him, Feed My sheep. 18 Most assuredly, I say to you, when you were younger, you girded yourself and walked where you wished; but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands, and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish. 19 This He spoke, signifying by what death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, Follow Me.
Study who Peter was in the New Testament and it will shed a lot of light into Matthew 16:15-20.
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Athaliamum
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Oh, can we please not make this thread about denomination again....can people just give it a rest and actually make the posts directly in connection with the OP?
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TheListener
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It is not about denomination, It is about fairness.
That verse can not be treated fairly without certain things coming to light.
If you want to suppress those 'things' that come to light then you are not being fair.
Alternatively we can fool ourselves by spin-doctoring a new meaning for the passage and make up our own interpretation to suit our own needs. Just like the link you provided in your earlier post somehow tied the Matthew verse into how important it is for Christians to observe the Torah.
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TheListener
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Was this binding/loosing teaching part of his sermon on the mount? If it's something we all can do then shouldn't Jesus be speaking to everyone rather than just Peter?
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Isaiah 53
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Where? How about in the passage:
16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,[b] the Son of the living God."
17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter,[c] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[d] will not overcome it.[e] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[f] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[g] loosed in heaven." 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.
Pretty self explanatory to me....
Again in Matthew 18 Jesus tells the disciples/His Apostles that they to may bind and loose; through apostolic secession we have the very same ability today in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
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Isaiah 53
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Keys died with Peter? Huh? I suppose when the Apostles chose Matthias to replace Judas they were in error? Or does the Apostolic office succeed...hmmm, what does Scripture say...
12Then they returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day's walk[b] from the city. 13When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
15In those days Peter stood up among the believers[c] (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) 16and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus 17he was one of our number and shared in this ministry."
18(With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)
20"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
" 'May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,'[d] and,
" 'May another take his place of leadership.'[e] 21Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection." 23So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." 26Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
(ACTS 1)
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TheListener
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Can you show me where the Bible says:
"Everyone who follows me will have the power of binding/loosing"?
I'll wait for your reply.
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Isaiah 53
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No problem, and I understand the difficulty you may be facing in understanding the Catholic Churches teachings in some areas. If you have questions and would like to discuss these issues with me, just PM me and I would be glad to do it in a non-debating style.
May God richly Bless You!!!
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