What you don't know : = Keeps you confessing sin.

[GDL]

#2.

Liars insinuate and make false accusations..... which is why they never post quotes.


Grow up, GDL.
You're on a Christian forum.
Behave as if you understand this reality.

My post was an argument against your posts that 1 John 1 is not for the born-again. Care to focus on that Scripture and claim itself and leave your faulty connecting of Scriptures behind for a while? I've noticed that you do not answer questions concerning whether or not you never sin or what your opinion is about the new birth - when it takes place.

Actually, liars walk in darkness and deceive themselves about having no sin (1 John 1:6, 8). And a liar is one who professes to know God but doesn't keep His commandments (1 John 2:4). Those who have some light can see that these 2 Biblical statements are saying the same thing about who liars are. Some also consider that what you post seems to fit into these 2 Biblical statements.

Some are steeped in error and resort to ad hominem, credentials, and worldwide teaching in attempts to defend themselves. Got substance?

 

[Strong in Him]

Your question proves you dont understand what it means to have become "a new Creation, in Christ"....."not under the law, but under Grace'.

Your question is related to baby christianity, or worse..... that is stuck in Hebrews 6:1.


Now.....Here is what i am...

= Born again.

What does that mean?

It means that im 'IN CHRIST.... "ONE with GOD"..... "seated in Heavenly Places".... "made Rightesous".


Here is what i am...

1 John 3:9


Here is what i am...


"As JESUS IS..........so are the born again....... IN THIS WORLD"

Me too; but I'm not perfect, and neither are you.

So, Strong in Him.....once you understand all that, you'll stop asking that silly and unlearned question that fits best in an unbeliever's mouth.

Could be a while.

Rudeness and sarcasm - case proven.

 

[Chaleb]

My post was an argument against your posts that 1 John 1 is not for the born-again.

Its not.

Does John have SIN that he needs to confess?
Guess again.

Read this.

1 John 3:9. as this verse from John is for the believer.

 

[Chaleb]

Me too; but I'm not perfect, and neither are you.
Rudeness and sarcasm - case proven.

No quotes = Liar.

Also, Christianity is not about being erfect.

Its about being born again., "In Christ".

Understanding this, is how you work out your salvation.

 

[Chaleb]

Actually, liars walk in darkness and deceive themselves about having no sin (1 John 1:6, 8).

2 Corinthians 5:19

2 Corinthians 5:21


If you have sin, then Jesus doesn't have yours, and that means you are not saved yet.

There is no sin "in Christ" and all the born again are "in Christ'.

You need to figure this out, and my Threads are created for that purpose., among others.

 

[Strong in Him]

The Cross of Christ is where the forgiveness of God has dealt with sin.


2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8

Yes - but if you don't admit that you have sin and ask for forgiveness, how can it be forgiven?

You didn't even quote the rest of my sentence, never mind answer my other points.
Are you saying that a born again believer can murder, commit adultery, steal or whatever and then say "God already forgave me before I did that, so it's fine?" That a born again believer can deliberately, and publicly, sin, turn away from God and still take it for granted that he is forgiven and in Christ?
When Peter told Ananais and Sapphira that they had sinned against the Holy Spirit, they both died. Shouldn't he have told them that it wasn't a problem because they still had God's forgiveness?

 

[Strong in Him]

No quotes = Liar.

I did quote you.
I quoted your post where you said that once I understood something, I would not ask silly questions - rudeness. Where you said "could take a while" - rudeness and sarcasm. And you've just added to that by calling me a liar.

Also, Christianity is not about being erfect.

I'm glad to see you say this.
So why so many scathing threads about people who sin, repent and then sin again?

Its about being born again., "In Christ".

A person cannot enter the Kingdom of God until they have been born again, certainly - no argument there.
But Christians still do things wrong. And when we do, John says that if we confess our sins he is able to forgive us and cleanse us.

 

[GDL]

Does John have SIN that he needs to confess?
Guess again.

Read this.

1 John 3:9. as this verse from John is for the believer.

Not anymore. No guess necessary.

Would you grace me with an exegetical explanation of 1 John 3:9 including context?

It's very easy to make unlearned claims that you do not sin. It's also very apparent that dealing exegetically with Scripture and answering direct questions is something you avoid.

 

[Cassian]

No quotes = Liar.

Also, Christianity is not about being erfect.

Its about being born again., "In Christ".

Understanding this, is how you work out your salvation.

I don't know about others, but you have not answered my question as to when this "born again In Christ occurs? I would think that with all your knowledge you would be able to answer.
What do you do with this verse: Matt 5:48, Col 1:28.

 

[GDL]

2 Corinthians 5:19

2 Corinthians 5:21


If you have sin, then Jesus doesn't have yours, and that means you are not saved yet.

There is no sin "in Christ" and all the born again are "in Christ'.

You need to figure this out, and my Threads are created for that purpose., among others.

Sounds like eisgesis. I think you need to figure out the difference between coming to Christ and remaining in Christ.

More Scripture we can add to 1 John that you should exegete in context. Will you begin soon?

 

[Chaleb]

Sounds like eisgesis. I think you need to figure out the difference between coming to Christ and remaining in Christ.

Sounds like 2 verses that you can't read or understand?


Listen, we remain in Christ the same way we entered Christ.

Jesus said...>"you must be born again".

Its really that simple.

Now, to stop that sinning and confessing, is related to knowing who you have become as a "new Creation" "In Christ".

See my Threads.

 

[GDL]

Also, Christianity is not about being erfect.

Then again, there's the teaching of Jesus Christ:

• NKJ Matthew 5:48 "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
• NKJ Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

Maybe we should define "perfect."

Its about being born again., "In Christ".

And remaining in Christ as He commands.

Understanding this, is how you work out your salvation.

Actually, the word means "accomplish by work" your salvation....

 

[GDL]

Sounds like 2 verses that you can't read or understand?

Maybe. Since you're a worldwide credentialed teacher, will you please help me understand them? Can I ask questions or offer any disagreement?

Listen, we remain in Christ the same way we entered Christ.

You might be right, but I'd bet you'd have trouble explaining it Biblically.

Jesus said...>"you must be born again".

Its really that simple.

Ever read Ezekial 36 and consider God's words about walking in His statutes?

Now, to stop that sinning and confessing, is related to knowing who you have become as a "new Creation" "In Christ".

Yes, it is related to having become a new creation in Christ and then remaining in Christ walking in Spirit in the light with Him while obeying Him and accomplishing our salvation in fear and trembling as commanded in collaboration with God operating in us to both will and do for His good pleasure. Confessing our sins along the way, of course.

Still no contextual exegesis of Scripture?

 

[Mark Quayle]

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Amen that. And the subjunctive grammar shows definite contingency: If we do not confess our sins he has not forgiven us our sins.

Furthermore, the Greek present tense subjunctive of "If we confess our sins" implies continuous action —"if we are confessing"— but translates awkwardly, or deceptively, into the English —"if we should be confessing".

 

[Mark Quayle]

Not possible.

See, "God made Jesus to become sin"....... Jesus is the one time ETERNAL sacrifice for sin".

Sin, is found in the "old man that is crucified with Christ".
To be crucified is to be DEAD.

"The body is dead because of sin"...

"He that is DEAD is freed from Sin"

The born again don't confess what is dead. , Strong in Him.


Paul told you to "reckon your old man to be DEAD"..
You are not doing that. You are describing it as alive, and that is the wrong mind. That is the carnal mind, that is opposition to what Jesus has "finished" on the Cross.

So in your right ("reckoned") mind you are without sin, but in the flesh.....? —sounds almost like Romans 7, and what you are railing against.

Take a look at 1 John 1:8 and 10 for a bit of a slap in the face! Verse 9 implies continuous action of the confession, in the Greek.

 

[The Liturgist]

So when the letter was written did someone comment to the congregation, "hey this part is for you non-believers we'll get to the believers next".

And you're here condemning people to hell for doing precisely what Christianity has taught for two thousand years. Does that mean that everybody was wrong for all this time and you've come along now to straighten us all out?

Indeed. It should also be noted that the way confession works in the Orthodox Church is far removed from legalism, since even if someone violated a canon of an ecumenical council, the response is subject to oikonomia, concerning whether or not to penance that person.

However, I myself had a Russian priest greatly assist me with bereavement over the death of a relative, and a retired Serbian archbishop enabled me to overcome a lifelong fear of hearses. This the confessional delivered.

 

[The Liturgist]

By the way any time I see my Orthodox friends like @HTacianas and my Calvinist friends like @Mark Quayle on the same page, that is pretty compelling, like when the Calvinist-premillenial dispensationalist KJV Study Bible and the Orthodox Study Bible agree in their interpretation of a verse.