What would happen to the creation/evolution debate...

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Any ideas as to why there is so much drug abuse, abortion, racism, and massacres at crowded places?
Having been taught by the "system" that there is no God, it is easy to live a life with our own scale of morality instead of a scale based on love.

Fortunately, you don't have to be a theist to have a love-based morality scale (and being a theist clearly doesn't ensure it).

If you're suggesting that 'drug abuse, abortion, racism, and massacres at crowded places' are predominantly committed by atheists, I think you're mistaken, but by all means substantiate it.

If that's not what you're suggesting, maybe you could clarify what you meant?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes, well, studying biology can't teach you the truth that God is up there, after you meet him, you believe that he created the world too.

The same can be said of all mythical creator deities.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You can say christians are dumb all you want but they have an advantage, they know about the most important topic...

Wait... who said Christians are dumb?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Dr Hawkins thought so. Apparently you don't.

I think you mean Dr. Dawkins...

No matter, I was making a statistical point, not expressing an opinion. Perhaps Dr Dawkins feels any increase is significant; you'd have to ask him.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Here you go Kenny.
The basics of evolution. Each module is extremely brief and written in plain, non-technical, English with explanatory diagrams.

Courtesy of the University of California Berkeley.

Evolution 101 Table of Contents

1. An introduction to evolution
Evolution briefly defined and explained

2. The history of life: looking at the patterns
How does evolution lead to the tree of life?

• The family tree
  
• Understanding phylogenies
  
• Building the tree
  
• Homologies and analogies
  
• Using the tree for classification
  
• Adding time to the tree
  
• How we know what happened when
  
• Important events in the history of life

3. Mechanisms: the processes of evolution
How does evolution work?

• Descent with modification
  
• Mechanisms of change
  
• Genetic variation
  
• Mutations
  
• The causes of mutations
  
• Gene flow
  
• Sex and genetic shuffling
  
• Development
  
• Genetic drift
  
• Natural selection
  
• What about fitness?
  
• Sexual selection
  
• Artificial selection
  
• Adaptation
  
• Misconceptions about natural selection
• Coevolution

4. Microevolution
How does evolution work on a small scale?

• Defining microevolution
  
• Detecting microevolutionary change
  
• Mechanisms of microevolution

5. Speciation
What are species anyway, and how do new ones evolve?

• Defining a species
  
• Defining speciation
  
• Causes of speciation
  
• Reproductive isolation
  
• Evidence for speciation
  
• Cospeciation

6. Macroevolution
How does evolution work on a grand scale?

• What is macroevolution?
  
• Patterns in macroevolution

7. The big issues
What are some of the big questions that evolutionary biologists are trying to answer?

• The pace of evolution
  
• Diversity in clades
  
• Looking at complexity
  
• Trends in evolution

That should work fine for what you claim proves evolution.

Now do as I asked, and post the links entire text here, probably one at a time would be best, and take us through those findings and the opinions of others that tell us what those findings mean and lets see if they stand up to questioning or if they break down at some point as they always have..

Seen this before, why are you all so afraid to go over it here? Doing so requires little more effort than what you have done already?

 

[pitabread]

Now do as I asked, and post the links entire text here

That is called copyright infringement and is a violation of the official CF forum rules:

Per the linked Berkeley web site:

Copyright 2019 by The University of California Museum of Paleontology, Berkeley, and the Regents of the University of California. All materials appearing on the UCMP Web Servers may not be reproduced or stored in a retrieval system without prior written permission of the publisher and in no case for profit.
​

And per Christian Forums official rules:

Quoted portions of any work should not exceed 20% of the total work. Materials owned by the Associated Press must be quoted using only one sentence. All quoted copyrighted material must be linked to the web page from which it was taken. Do not violate the copyrights of others or promote another work as your own.
​

Terms of Service and Christian Forum Rules | Christian Forums

Seen this before, why are you all so afraid to go over it here?

Nobody is afraid to go over anything here. The real question is why are you so afraid to click on a link?

 

[Speedwell]

That should work fine for what you claim proves evolution.

Now do as I asked, and post the links entire text here, probably one at a time would be best, and take us through those findings and the opinions of others that tell us what those findings mean and lets see if they stand up to questioning or if they break down at some point as they always have..

Seen this before, why are you all so afraid to go over it here? Doing so requires little more effort than what you have done already?

No, what you should do is study the materials yourself and come up with some better arguments against evolution than you have used before.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No, what you should do is study the materials yourself and come up with some better arguments against evolution than you have used before.

You still don't get it, you have no argument for evolution for me to argue against.

Why are you afraid to do as I said?

 

[Speedwell]

You still don't get it, you have no argument for evolution for me to argue against.

But you don't know that until you study the materials.

 

[Kenny'sID]

But you don't know that until you study the materials.

You all have presented the materials here, the very reason you are afraid do it again.

Either way, what an unfair assumption to make, and because you say so.

 

[pitabread]

nm.

 

[Speedwell]

You all have presented the materials here, the very reason you are afraid do it again.

Either way, what an unfair assumption to make, and because you say so.

We have attempted to, but you won't pay attention long enough to learn what the theory of evolution claims, much less what the evidence is that supports it. I've tried it myself, and you wouldn't even let me finish explaining what random variation is.

 

[Kenny'sID]

We have attempted to, but you won't pay attention long enough to learn what the theory of evolution claims, much less what the evidence is that supports it. I've tried it myself, and you wouldn't even let me finish explaining what random variation is.

I've tried several times to get you all to do this and this is the first time that claim was ever made as the reason you could not prove evolution, so it only makes sense, that was "never" a viable problem.

 

[Speedwell]

I've tried several times to get you all to do this and this is the first time that claim was ever made as the reason you could not prove evolution, so it only makes sense, that was "never" a viable problem.

And if we can't "prove" evolution you're not interested in the evidence we think confirms evolution. You aren't even interested to learn what the theory of evolution actually says, much less what evidence supports it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

And if we can't "prove" evolution you're not interested in the evidence we think confirms evolution. You aren't even interested to learn what the theory of evolution actually says, much less what evidence supports it.

Not unless what you call evidence proves evolution. No, I'm not interested in could be's, those are the things that made it a theory to begin with, and that was fine, I mean if they must, but now that they are calling it fact, they need to prove it, and stop the theorizing.

My challenge was very clear, can we please not do the excuses/stalling anymore?

 

[Jimmy D]

I’m getting a sense of deja vu here.

The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

 

[loveofourlord]

Not unless what you call evidence proves evolution. No, I'm not interested in could be's, those are the things that made it a theory to begin with, and that was fine, I mean if they must, but now that they are calling it fact, they need to prove it, and stop the theorizing.

My challenge was very clear, can we please not do the excuses/stalling anymore?

Don't pretend it has anything to do with evidence proving evolution, it's what you think counts as evidence as if your the arbiter of what actually is or isn't science or evidence.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Don't pretend it has anything to do with evidence proving evolution, it's what you think counts as evidence as if your the arbiter of what actually is or isn't science or evidence.

It's also worth remembering what Kenny has already said:

"I don't and never will accept your evidence as reason to believe evolution is a fact." Kenny'sID​

 

[pitabread]

It's also worth remembering what Kenny has already said:

"I don't and never will accept your evidence as reason to believe evolution is a fact." Kenny'sID​

That remains the most honest thing Kenny has ever said on these forums.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I've tried several times to get you all to do this and this is the first time that claim was ever made as the reason you could not prove evolution, so it only makes sense, that was "never" a viable problem.

That post is a lie