What would falsify creationism?

[SkyWriting]

If the content is wrong then the validity is also in doubt so you decide, does the N/T give a true account of what Jesus is supposed to have said or not? I think not.

Then you may not complain about the content, if it's not recorded accurately.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, if God created the universe, then the creation of the universe is something that can be explained by science. And if it can be explained by science rather than religion, than why is a God required for it at all?

It is needed, because the laws of cause and effect require that "something" may not come from "nothing".

And we are all aware of the vast amount of empty space, free of mass or energy, that exists.
Starting with "nothing" what caused our reality to come into being?
Science says it must have been bigger and smarter than what we see as the result.

 

[SkyWriting]

okay, to take a very simple example.
sodium and chlorine.
you bring these two elements together and you get salt.
no intelligence involved.

Then how did you figure that out? And who engineered the ability for them to combine?
Imagine if no chemicals, in this particular bubble of reality, combined together.
Wouldn't that be a hoot?

 

[Jan Volkes]

That's only an issue if the words are accurately recorded.
So is that your premise?

You are the one who believes the Bible is true and accurate so you tell me.
How do you know that the words attributed to Jesus record accurately what Jesus acctually said? the truth is you don't know.

 

[juvenissun]

Since I obviously haven't done that, perhaps you can give an example of something that would falsify creationism?

It is not hard at all to come up with some. I am not going to do it for you for your benefit.
Creationism is MUCH MORE than just say God creates everything. Only that will not make a --ism. If the Creationism is a book, it would be easily to have 10 chapters in there.

 

[Jan Volkes]

It is needed, because the laws of cause and effect require that "something" may not come from "nothing".

Except if it was made by something that also did not exist, does that really makes sense to you?

 

[Jan Volkes]

It is not hard at all to come up with some. I am not going to do it for you for your benefit.

Of course you're not and we would expect nothing less.
We can easily see why you would/could lie to us but how on earth are you able to lie to yourself so easily?

 

[SkyWriting]

Except if it was made by something that also did not exist, does that really makes sense to you?

Scientifically it makes no sense at all. That's why I became a person of Faith.
Scientifically, it's the only option.

 

[juvenissun]

So god could not create an object he could not lift in the same way that an I moveable object cannot exists in a universe with an irresistible force.

Basically my intent was to say that any eventuality in the universe could be described as "yeah, goddidit".

Appearance of age in the universe? Goddidit.

Nested hierarchies? Goddidit.

Any evidence we uncover about anything in the future about anything?

Yeah, God did that, too.

It's an intellectual dead end.

That is an example of YOUR intelligence. No, it does not go very far. Let me help you to extend some intelligence.

God gives apparent age? Do you know WHAT is an apparent age? Is your age an apparent age? Why should God give that?

 

[WordList]

You missed the whole idea of the conversation, either that or you deliberately changed it to fall in with what you want to believe.
It seems you not only see what you want to see you have the ability to make even that mean what ever you want it to mean.

People have been promised the rapture for at least two millennium so what makes you think it's going to happen in your lifetime? even Jesus lied [if he was a god he must have known] when he told people it would come in their lifetime.
Although saying that, no one knows exactly what Jesus said or didn't say because everything in the bible he is supposed to have said is only hearsay, unless you know something no one else knows.

Well, presuming that the gospels accurately convey what he said, he didn't say a "rapture" would happen in their lifetime.

The idea that the words are both put into his mouth and say that seem more than a little far fetched given how close to the end of "their lifetime" the gospels were written. If someone is making up a prediction after the event the usually make one up that's accurate.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Then how did you figure that out? And who engineered the ability for them to combine?
Imagine if no chemicals, in this particular bubble of reality, combined together.
Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Are you honestly trying to tell us that you think just because you believe in your God you can claim anything that happens in this universe is all because of your God? what other irrational things do you believe.

 

[SkyWriting]

So god could not create an object he could not lift in the same way that an I moveable object cannot exists in a universe with an irresistible force.

God is all "Light" which cancels out all dark.
Can God go "dark"? No.
Some things are what they are by the nature of themselves.

 

[SkyWriting]

Are you honestly trying to tell us that you think just because you believe in your God you can claim anything that happens in this universe is all because of your God? what other irrational things do you believe.

What else would I need past that? In your complaint,
I would think that should cover it.

 

[SkyWriting]

Well, presuming that the gospels accurately convey what he said, he didn't say a "rapture" would happen in their lifetime.

That's an issue as well.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Well, presuming that the gospels accurately convey what he said, he didn't say a "rapture" would happen in their lifetime.

That's because it was not called the "rapture" then, they were supposedly told the world would end in their lifetime.

The idea that the words are both put into his mouth and say that seem more than a little far fetched given how close to the end of "their lifetime" the gospels were written. If someone is making up a prediction after the event the usually make one up that's accurate.

Why? they also got a lot of other thing wrong as well, don't forget the writers of the bible were writing for the people of that time not ours, people believed in Ghosts and Demons and would believe all the magic they were told about really happened,
a bit like some of the people in Muslim countries and darkest America today 2000 years later.

 

[Jan Volkes]

That's an issue as well.

Yes a non-issue.

 

[WordList]

That's because it was not called the "rapture" then, they were supposedly told the world would end in their lifetime.

No, they weren't.

Why? they also got a lot of other thing wrong as well, don't forget the writers of the bible were writing for the people of that time not ours, people believed in Ghosts and Demons then and would believe all the magic they were told about really happened, a bit like some of the people in darkest America today 2000 years later.

Nevertheless, you don't write x will happen by date y, after date y, and pick an x that didn't happen.

And first century people weren't nearly as gullible as modern arrogance assumes.

 

[Goonie]

And so this thread descends into General Apologetics, inevitable given that creationism is purely a religious belief, no science involved, so the only way to challenge it is going after its core text, the Bible.

 

[Larniavc]

God is all "Light" which cancels out all dark.
Can God go "dark"? No.
Some things are what they are by the nature of themselves.

That's what I mean by maximally powerful. He is the most powerful thing but he cannot subvert logic e.g. He could not sin or choose to become imperfect.

But he could make anything is the material wold happen by fait and that means anything can be explained by "goddidit".

 

[Jan Volkes]

And first century people weren't nearly as gullible as modern arrogance assumes.

Some people then were not gullible it's true but 95 percent of them were, the vast majority of people were illiterate peasants and would believe anything they were told because they were so unknowing they knew no better, remember all they had was word of mouth, they were born, lived and died in the same place, if they had never been over the hill in the distance they believed what ever they were told about what was on the other side, they believed what they were told, what else could they do?

Some people are still gullible today so why should we think they were not gullible then? people today should at least know twice as much as people did then but they sure don't act as if they do..