What was Gods first thought?

[Yekcidmij]

Well, no, we do.

There are only three options:

1. God is outside time, and He created time itself.

2. God is within time, and Himself had a beginning (this is heresy).

3. God is within time, and waited an infinite amount of time before creating the universe (this is logically impossible).

I think William Lane Craig takes a position that God is timeless without creation, but became temporal when he created.

God, Time and Eternity | Reasonable Faith

...not sure what I make of it, but that's a #4 possibility.

 

[Yekcidmij]

This is from the study of the Hebrew language and the meaning of the Hebrew letters. There is quite a bit of teaching on YouTube.

I suppose the first question would be why think there are secret/hidden messages in the modern Hebrew alphabet.

 

[Yekcidmij]

A lot of people have that interpratation. The problem is though that if you go by "wisdom" described in proverbs as a "created" entity; the only conclusion one could come to is that it's Jesus Christ; because He is the only person of the God Head that has a created dimension to His being.

I would agree with @David Cabrera on this one. Wisdom is Jesus.

I'm somewhat confused by the idea that wisdom is a created [some]thing. This would seem to imply that there was some moment or point when God didn't have wisdom and/or that he created everything without wisdom.

 

[Lost4words]

I know what God's first words were in relation to creating man:

"What have I done!"

 

[Yekcidmij]

What a fascinating, fascinating question!

My first thought is that God intended for His Son to receive glory.

On the other hand, if you go back further than the first thought: you might have seen God sleeping.

(So the answer to the question is somewhere between waking up and dreaming of His Son - with work with the Son to follow)

...are you saying you believe that before creation God was asleep and dreaming of Jesus?

 

[Yekcidmij]

All this makes me think of the climax scene of the movie Interstellar (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't seen the movie!)

It looks almost like Matthew Mcconaughey's character becomes binitary on entering the black hole. One person of Cooper is outside/beyond time communicating with another person of Cooper inside time.

I'm not making anything of this - it just makes me remember a good movie.

 

[Neogaia777]

All this makes me think of the climax scene of the movie Interstellar (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't seen the movie!)

It looks almost like Matthew Mcconaughey's character becomes binitary on entering the black hole. One person of Cooper is outside/beyond time communicating with another person of Cooper inside time.

I'm not making anything of this - it just makes me remember a good movie.

I have the movie, watch it a lot, great movie...

God Bless!

 

[SPF]

All this makes me think of the climax scene of the movie Interstellar (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't seen the movie!)

It looks almost like Matthew Mcconaughey's character becomes binitary on entering the black hole. One person of Cooper is outside/beyond time communicating with another person of Cooper inside time.

I'm not making anything of this - it just makes me remember a good movie.

Great movie, but falls prey to the bootstrap paradox.

 

[The Righterzpen]

I'm somewhat confused by the idea that wisdom is a created [some]thing. This would seem to imply that there was some moment or point when God didn't have wisdom and/or that he created everything without wisdom.

Valid point!

Go back and look at post 84 on this thread. I'd come to a different conclusion than originally stated. (What you've quoted.) My different conclusion is basically because "wisdom" is in the feminine.

I think the conclusion that a lot of posters may have come to is that the conclusion of the OP is vast, varied and has a lot of nuances to it.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Temporality is a quality of the material universe.

God is atemporal, and therefore not subject to temporality.

There is no firsts or lasts, no before or after with God. God is (not was, not will be, but is) before all things and after all things: He is the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[SPF]

God is atemporal, and therefore not subject to temporality.

Can you support this assertion?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I suppose the first question would be why think there are secret/hidden messages in the modern Hebrew alphabet.

The message is not hidden so much as people are required to have a whole new level of understanding. As Paul says: "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." There are people today that have a PhD in Physics. When they were little this knowledge was not hidden from them so much as they were not ready and mature enough to understand. Children learn the Bible on a different level then adults. That is why they go to sunday school and the Adults are taught by the pastor on an adult level.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I think William Lane Craig takes a position that God is timeless without creation, but became temporal when he created.

The long standing belief is that eternity became temporal at the big bang when a part of what is eternal was crunched so much that it either exploded or became corrupted to the degree that death began. Not from the expansion but from the crunch or contraction that took place before our universes began to expand.