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These last few days have caused me to doubt whether it is possible that could be in Christ or return.
I spoke with some brothers over the weekend that assured me that they believe that I am a believer and that there is no loss of salvation. However, I've found that when I feel confident in my salvation, I no longer seem to have any interest at all in the things of the Lord. Everything seems fine. No anxiety or fear. No sense of the reality of my need for Christ. No desire to pursue Christ. Just a desire to relax and have fun.
I've found myself feeling resistant from the heart to the Lord for the few days. Gritting my teeth at him. With a rage in my heart. I did a reading through Matthew last night with some people from church and found myself becoming angry as I was reading. My heart resisting the Scriptures and a rage against the Lord lighting in me.
It has progressively gotten worse especially today. I've had an anger today that has screamed, "I don't believe any of this. I should just leave. (the faith)" It hasn't bothered me on a deep level like it has in the past. I feel like I'm gripping onto no leaving with all my might but the Lord is not meeting me there.
Is this spiritual warfare or have I fallen away?
Bathelter01, you can run, you can hide, scream and shout, but you will never be able to do anything to stop the Lord from loving you.
Our God is the God of love (1 John 4:7). It is intrinsically part of His nature. You may very well have fallen or got lost along the way, but it was not God that gave you up and He is waiting patiently and tenderly for You to return so He can embrace you.
Do not be afraid of returning to the Lord. He cares for you. Consider this extract from Henri Nouwen's book which really spoke to my heart when I strayed in my faith.
https://henrinouwen.org/meditation/i-love-you-i-love-you-i-love-you/
Anthony, I feel a push towards leaving the faith. I don't know how else to say it. How can I know whether it is truly too late for me? My will to follow is disappearing each day and the Lord is not responding regardless of my prayer to time in the word. My heart is not changing. What can I do at this point?
Anthony, I feel a push towards leaving the faith. I don't know how else to say it. How can I know whether it is truly too late for me? My will to follow is disappearing each day and the Lord is not responding regardless of my prayer to time in the word. My heart is not changing. What can I do at this point?
Trolling.Anthony, I feel a push towards leaving the faith. I don't know how else to say it. How can I know whether it is truly too late for me? My will to follow is disappearing each day and the Lord is not responding regardless of my prayer to time in the word. My heart is not changing. What can I do at this point?
These last few days have caused me to doubt whether it is possible that could be in Christ or return.
I spoke with some brothers over the weekend that assured me that they believe that I am a believer and that there is no loss of salvation. However, I've found that when I feel confident in my salvation, I no longer seem to have any interest at all in the things of the Lord. Everything seems fine. No anxiety or fear. No sense of the reality of my need for Christ. No desire to pursue Christ. Just a desire to relax and have fun.
I've found myself feeling resistant from the heart to the Lord for the few days. Gritting my teeth at him. With a rage in my heart. I did a reading through Matthew last night with some people from church and found myself becoming angry as I was reading. My heart resisting the Scriptures and a rage against the Lord lighting in me.
It has progressively gotten worse especially today. I've had an anger today that has screamed, "I don't believe any of this. I should just leave. (the faith)" It hasn't bothered me on a deep level like it has in the past. I feel like I'm gripping onto no leaving with all my might but the Lord is not meeting me there.
Is this spiritual warfare or have I fallen away?
From your rhetoric I don't think you necessarily committed apostasy The thing with apostasy is that as it says in Heb 6 it's impossible to get such people to repent. But sounds like you are open to repenting. I don't think that people who apostatise have any interest in returning. I think it's a burning ones bridges situation.So I made a post a few weeks ago looking for wisdom about whether I had become like Esau or whether I am under discipline/spiritual warfare.
If you care to read the post, here it is:
Spiritual Warefare, Discipline or Non Believer?
I have come to determine with a great level of certainty that my heart has hardened past the point of repentance due to continued sin. I feel no brokenness or conviction over my sin nor do I have the desires of the Lord anymore. I find no ability to turn away from sin from a heart level like I once did. All that I am left with is severe fear of my future condemnation. As I read Hebrews, I see that my life now matches up perfectly with Hebrews 6:4, as well as Hebrews 10:26. I have spent time consulting with my pastor and other believing friends. They seem to believe that I am still a believer, but I sincerely disagree. I think they are coming around though.
As I have come to the conclusion that I am beyond repentance, my question is what is the best thing for me to do next. I cannot spend my life walking in apostasy creating greater condemnation for myself upon my death. Life is too much to live apart from Christ. There is no meaning to life other than Christ and there is no joy apart from him. I cannot continue with life apart from Christ. However, I see no other way to handle the situation other than suicide. Does anyone have any better suggestions or wisdom to give?
I know some of you may land in a more reformed camp like I once did, but there is no denial that someone can become like those mentioned in Hebrews. I have become one. What then do I do now?
So I made a post a few weeks ago looking for wisdom about whether I had become like Esau or whether I am under discipline/spiritual warfare.
If you care to read the post, here it is:
Spiritual Warefare, Discipline or Non Believer?
I have come to determine with a great level of certainty that my heart has hardened past the point of repentance due to continued sin. I feel no brokenness or conviction over my sin nor do I have the desires of the Lord anymore. I find no ability to turn away from sin from a heart level like I once did. All that I am left with is severe fear of my future condemnation. As I read Hebrews, I see that my life now matches up perfectly with Hebrews 6:4, as well as Hebrews 10:26. I have spent time consulting with my pastor and other believing friends. They seem to believe that I am still a believer, but I sincerely disagree. I think they are coming around though.
As I have come to the conclusion that I am beyond repentance, my question is what is the best thing for me to do next. I cannot spend my life walking in apostasy creating greater condemnation for myself upon my death. Life is too much to live apart from Christ. There is no meaning to life other than Christ and there is no joy apart from him. I cannot continue with life apart from Christ. However, I see no other way to handle the situation other than suicide. Does anyone have any better suggestions or wisdom to give?
I know some of you may land in a more reformed camp like I once did, but there is no denial that someone can become like those mentioned in Hebrews. I have become one. What then do I do now?
Hey I know that you are in a very tight and knotty situation and I do think there is some peril in it. I also have done similar things except my story is a bit shorter. I was born in Christian household, got serious mid summer break in 2020 from school. I haven't noticed any fruit at any point ; its been over 6 month since then and I have come to the horrifying conclusion that I might be an apostate. I have done quite a lot of bit of research on Hebrew, and have met with others in the same situation and I could relate to what you feel. Mine was perpetual sin with video games. I hadn't even realized that effect of my reprobation until I came across Hebrew. It has been about a month since and I still have fear, its hard for me to function in life. The common symptoms is a heaviness of the heart, emptiness, and spiritually dead. The only hope that still keeps me going is that I still felt the Holy Spirit, though it lacked any emotions, there was a overwhelming sense to cry as my dad prayed for me. I seems like the best thing you could do is to just have faith and wait on the Lord. I know, its hard, and I know it from personal experience. I am still struggling with fear, fatigue, and dissociation oftentimes. I could relate to how your mind and heart work against each other and I could relate how you say your heart rages against the Lord. Repentance is a gift from God. Although Esau sought with tears, he did not repent of his wrong doings, he wasn't sorrowful about his foolish decision, he cried because he lost his inheritance. I am still inconclusive about this situation. It is fully onto the Lord. Don't sin anymore, and wait on the Lord. ""I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.""So I made a post a few weeks ago looking for wisdom about whether I had become like Esau or whether I am under discipline/spiritual warfare.
If you care to read the post, here it is:
Spiritual Warefare, Discipline or Non Believer?
I have come to determine with a great level of certainty that my heart has hardened past the point of repentance due to continued sin. I feel no brokenness or conviction over my sin nor do I have the desires of the Lord anymore. I find no ability to turn away from sin from a heart level like I once did. All that I am left with is severe fear of my future condemnation. As I read Hebrews, I see that my life now matches up perfectly with Hebrews 6:4, as well as Hebrews 10:26. I have spent time consulting with my pastor and other believing friends. They seem to believe that I am still a believer, but I sincerely disagree. I think they are coming around though.
As I have come to the conclusion that I am beyond repentance, my question is what is the best thing for me to do next. I cannot spend my life walking in apostasy creating greater condemnation for myself upon my death. Life is too much to live apart from Christ. There is no meaning to life other than Christ and there is no joy apart from him. I cannot continue with life apart from Christ. However, I see no other way to handle the situation other than suicide. Does anyone have any better suggestions or wisdom to give?
I know some of you may land in a more reformed camp like I once did, but there is no denial that someone can become like those mentioned in Hebrews. I have become one. What then do I do now?
So I made a post a few weeks ago looking for wisdom about whether I had become like Esau.....
Generally speaking if a person's heart is that hard now, then they don't care about repentance anyway. They've willfully turned away from God. If you do care that means you haven't really turned away or you've had a change of heart, and with sincere repentance forgiveness is always forthcoming.So I made a post a few weeks ago looking for wisdom about whether I had become like Esau or whether I am under discipline/spiritual warfare.
If you care to read the post, here it is:
Spiritual Warefare, Discipline or Non Believer?
I have come to determine with a great level of certainty that my heart has hardened past the point of repentance due to continued sin. I feel no brokenness or conviction over my sin nor do I have the desires of the Lord anymore. I find no ability to turn away from sin from a heart level like I once did. All that I am left with is severe fear of my future condemnation. As I read Hebrews, I see that my life now matches up perfectly with Hebrews 6:4, as well as Hebrews 10:26. I have spent time consulting with my pastor and other believing friends. They seem to believe that I am still a believer, but I sincerely disagree. I think they are coming around though.
As I have come to the conclusion that I am beyond repentance, my question is what is the best thing for me to do next. I cannot spend my life walking in apostasy creating greater condemnation for myself upon my death. Life is too much to live apart from Christ. There is no meaning to life other than Christ and there is no joy apart from him. I cannot continue with life apart from Christ. However, I see no other way to handle the situation other than suicide. Does anyone have any better suggestions or wisdom to give?
I know some of you may land in a more reformed camp like I once did, but there is no denial that someone can become like those mentioned in Hebrews. I have become one. What then do I do now?
Ok, so you're saying that absolute, perfect sinlessness is possible in this life?How is it going? It is extremely severe and bad to sin willfully, and it will take you a lot of sorrow repenting of it. That needs to take place since you have trampled the precious blood of Christ and crucified him again, holding his blood for animal blood (Hebrews 6:4).
But as long as you breathe, there is always hope for the great mercy of God Jesus Christ!
There is a youtube channel "holdingfirmly" where a man goes through this stuff a lot, I highly recommend it. The bitter truth is that almost all christians are still in sin, thinking that it is all paid for and they have been chosen just through believing, and that they can still sin "sometimes". This is serving two lords, aka the harlot of Babylon. NOT the bride of Christ who will be presented without blemish, and holy and pure will she be. Repentance is turning away from ALL sin FOREVER, turning into obedience to God 100% of the time, and not cheat and sin ever again. Become pure in heart.
It is a big lie that you can continue to sin, even if it's "lesser and lesser", and not die.
Sin will take you to hell, period.
Turn around in sincere sorrow of what you have done, knowingly insulting the spirit of Grace.
I went through the same thing, you must like Peter shed bitter tears and get clean with God.
Hope this helps.
//Carl
Carl,How is it going? It is extremely severe and bad to sin willfully, and it will take you a lot of sorrow repenting of it. That needs to take place since you have trampled the precious blood of Christ and crucified him again, holding his blood for animal blood (Hebrews 6:4).
But as long as you breathe, there is always hope for the great mercy of God Jesus Christ!
There is a youtube channel "holdingfirmly" where a man goes through this stuff a lot, I highly recommend it. The bitter truth is that almost all christians are still in sin, thinking that it is all paid for and they have been chosen just through believing, and that they can still sin "sometimes". This is serving two lords, aka the harlot of Babylon. NOT the bride of Christ who will be presented without blemish, and holy and pure will she be. Repentance is turning away from ALL sin FOREVER, turning into obedience to God 100% of the time, and not cheat and sin ever again. Become pure in heart.
It is a big lie that you can continue to sin, even if it's "lesser and lesser", and not die.
Sin will take you to hell, period.
Turn around in sincere sorrow of what you have done, knowingly insulting the spirit of Grace.
I went through the same thing, you must like Peter shed bitter tears and get clean with God.
Hope this helps.
//Carl
So what? Do it anyway! We're commanded to repent whether you're interested in it or not. That's just your flesh speaking! Do it and do it today!. I know that with my head I have been trying to return to Christ but with my heart I find myself uninterested and resistant.
That's you're silly flesh level! Make a decision that's it I'm going to repent. The King of the Universe has demanded it! In an earthly kingdoms do subjects of a King always delight in obeying his decrees? No necessarily. But they do what the king says and obey him.Like from a heart level, I don’t want to repent of sin and I see no need for Christ.
My heart resists when I try to repent.
Will he overcome my heart and bring it back to repentance or is this the end?
How is it going? It is extremely severe and bad to sin willfully, and it will take you a lot of sorrow repenting of it. That needs to take place since you have trampled the precious blood of Christ and crucified him again, holding his blood for animal blood (Hebrews 6:4).
But as long as you breathe, there is always hope for the great mercy of God Jesus Christ!
There is a youtube channel "holdingfirmly" where a man goes through this stuff a lot, I highly recommend it. The bitter truth is that almost all christians are still in sin, thinking that it is all paid for and they have been chosen just through believing, and that they can still sin "sometimes". This is serving two lords, aka the harlot of Babylon. NOT the bride of Christ who will be presented without blemish, and holy and pure will she be. Repentance is turning away from ALL sin FOREVER, turning into obedience to God 100% of the time, and not cheat and sin ever again. Become pure in heart.
It is a big lie that you can continue to sin, even if it's "lesser and lesser", and not die.
Sin will take you to hell, period.
Turn around in sincere sorrow of what you have done, knowingly insulting the spirit of Grace.
I went through the same thing, you must like Peter shed bitter tears and get clean with God.
Hope this helps.
//Carl
Hey I know that you are in a very tight and knotty situation and I do think there is some peril in it. I also have done similar things except my story is a bit shorter. I was born in Christian household, got serious mid summer break in 2020 from school. I haven't noticed any fruit at any point ; its been over 6 month since then and I have come to the horrifying conclusion that I might be an apostate. I have done quite a lot of bit of research on Hebrew, and have met with others in the same situation and I could relate to what you feel. Mine was perpetual sin with video games. I hadn't even realized that effect of my reprobation until I came across Hebrew. It has been about a month since and I still have fear, its hard for me to function in life. The common symptoms is a heaviness of the heart, emptiness, and spiritually dead. The only hope that still keeps me going is that I still felt the Holy Spirit, though it lacked any emotions, there was a overwhelming sense to cry as my dad prayed for me. I seems like the best thing you could do is to just have faith and wait on the Lord. I know, its hard, and I know it from personal experience. I am still struggling with fear, fatigue, and dissociation oftentimes. I could relate to how your mind and heart work against each other and I could relate how you say your heart rages against the Lord. Repentance is a gift from God. Although Esau sought with tears, he did not repent of his wrong doings, he wasn't sorrowful about his foolish decision, he cried because he lost his inheritance. I am still inconclusive about this situation. It is fully onto the Lord. Don't sin anymore, and wait on the Lord. ""I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.""