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What to do when you are beyond repentance?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by bathelter01, May 9, 2019.

  1. bathelter01

    bathelter01 New Member

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    So I made a post a few weeks ago looking for wisdom about whether I had become like Esau or whether I am under discipline/spiritual warfare.

    If you care to read the post, here it is:
    Spiritual Warefare, Discipline or Non Believer?

    I have come to determine with a great level of certainty that my heart has hardened past the point of repentance due to continued sin. I feel no brokenness or conviction over my sin nor do I have the desires of the Lord anymore. I find no ability to turn away from sin from a heart level like I once did. All that I am left with is severe fear of my future condemnation. As I read Hebrews, I see that my life now matches up perfectly with Hebrews 6:4, as well as Hebrews 10:26. I have spent time consulting with my pastor and other believing friends. They seem to believe that I am still a believer, but I sincerely disagree. I think they are coming around though.

    As I have come to the conclusion that I am beyond repentance, my question is what is the best thing for me to do next. I cannot spend my life walking in apostasy creating greater condemnation for myself upon my death. Life is too much to live apart from Christ. There is no meaning to life other than Christ and there is no joy apart from him. I cannot continue with life apart from Christ. However, I see no other way to handle the situation other than suicide. Does anyone have any better suggestions or wisdom to give?

    I know some of you may land in a more reformed camp like I once did, but there is no denial that someone can become like those mentioned in Hebrews. I have become one. What then do I do now?
     
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    I would recommend reading the Beatitudes in Matthew 5:3-12.

    "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God."

    We all want to experience God's blessing in our lives, but I have found very often that blessing comes in loving and serving others. I believe very strongly it is one of the best ways to experience the depth and extent of God's love.

    Think of someone you know who you don't get on very well with, someone who is the least deserving of your attention, and do something kind for them. Perhaps a word of encouragement, or lending a helping hand. You could even pray for them.

    Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And I said, “Here am I. Send me!” (Isaiah 6:8)


    The Lord is calling us to reach out and minister to others. Not only will you will see the lives of people changed around you, but you yourself will grow in faith and become much more aware of the love and grace of God. Soon you will be so busy loving and serving the Lord, that you will no longer be asking the question whether you have gone past the point of repentance.

    Make it your prayer to Him today: "Here I am Lord, Send me". You can be sure that He will be very pleased to answer that prayer.
     
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  3. Romansthruphilemon

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    You are under condemnation because you have been raised with a false performance based gospel and know that you are not living up to it. There was only one that could live to that standard and he paid for all of our sins...just believe that and rest. Become an expert on Paul’s letters, that’s where our doctrine is.

    2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    That verse shows that God is not charging you with your sins today.

    Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

    Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus

    Romans 1:16a For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth

    Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

    What is Paul’s gospel that he is referring to in Romans 2:16? It’s 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Believe that Christ died for your sins, was buried, and rose again and you are saved.

    Study 1st Corinthians. They were involved with a lot of sin, contentions, fornication, etc. What does Paul say about them? He calls them Brethren. He says they are sanctified in 1 Cor 1:2. Yes he beseeches them to get their stuff together but he refers to them as saved and sanctified.

    You can only come to the right way of thinking by rightly dividing, (2Timothy 2:15). If you just blend it all together you will think that you are under law. Under a performance based acceptance system. And if you’re honest you will admit that you’re not living up to it and then you will feel condemned. Jesus in his earthly ministry was preaching law to Israel. He wasn’t even talking to us, he was dealing with Jews who were under the law, and he was preaching law to them. We are not under law, we are saved by grace through faith (believe 1 cor 15:1-4 trust Christ, Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30, and you are saved, sealed unto the day of redemption). Study Paul, learn grace and you will come out from this condemnation that comes from false doctrine. Please pm me anytime you want.
     
  4. bathelter01

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    Will God remove faith and belief from his people due to extended time in sin?
    I ask because I know after my conversion at age 10 that I truly believed the gospel and that my life was transformed by the Spirit. It wasn't until these things began happening that my faith seemed to evaporate in a moment.
     
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    No. Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound.But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound
     
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    You think God is mad at you because of your sin. This verse proves that God is not mad at you:

    Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

    Study that verse! Enemies in your mind. You think you are alienated and an enemy because of wicked works (sin) but that’s in your mind. That’s not what God thinks...look at the last part of that verse, it’s past tense...yet now hath he reconciled.
     
  11. bathelter01

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    How do I reconcile what you're saying with this?

    26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people."31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
    Hebrews 10:26-31
     
  12. Romansthruphilemon

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    Watch the video...Hebrews is not talking to you. That is not your doctrine. It's for the Hebrews.
     
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    Colo 2:13 And you being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses

    Colo 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
     
  15. Anthony2019

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    A person who had committed the sin against the Holy Ghost would not be worrying about whether or not they can be forgiven.

    The fact you recognise the important of repentance, and life is nothing without Christ, and that you are showing a willingness to do something about, shows that you have not crossed the point of no return. You can always return to the Lord, as long as you truly want to.

    The parable of the prodigal son was about someone who experienced the share of his Father's estate and went away and squandered it on wild living. When he came to his senses, he came back to the Father who was already out looking for Him.

    Remember that God is more willing to forgive us, than we are to forgive ourselves.
     
  16. bathelter01

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    I understand what you're saying. However, I recognize a breakdown between my head and my heart or what I want with my mind and what I want with my heart. With my mind, I recognize a loss of relationship with Christ and a desire to continue fighting for it, but with my heart, the gospel seems unimportant. I know the gospel on a intellectual level but it is as though I no longer understand or believe from a heart level. Not because I don't want to or I somehow have determined that the gospel is false, but because it seems that my faith has been taken from me. So I feel unable to repent and because of this, believe that it is too late for restoration.
     
  17. Anthony2019

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    I went through a period where my faith seemed barren, I was going through the motions of intellectually believing, and I didn't feel the zeal that other Christians experience. I even thought at one point that I had reached a point where I had lost my relationship with God.

    I later realised that Christians from all walks of life go through periods of questioning and doubt, and from time to time their feelings may wax and wane.

    It taught me that faith is something much more solid than merely our feelings. Hebrews 11:1 states faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It is less to do with our feelings, but more to do with our response to God and the decisions we make.

    You come across to me as a person with faith, a faith that is perhaps much stronger than you realise. You have experienced difficulties in your journey, and the fact that you have shared them with us implies that you are putting your faith into action. You clearly believe that God can help you - and He will.

    In my first post, I was attempting to illustrate how we can reconcile our faith with the way we think and feel. In Luke 11:27-28, Jesus was approached by a woman who praised Him on his teaching: "blessed is the mother who gave birth to you and nursed you". He responded by saying "blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”.

    When we translate faith into action, we experience joy. When we say to the Lord I will follow you wherever you go" (Luke 9:57) we have the joy of serving Him. When we forgive others, we have the joy of being forgiven (Luke 6:37), when we give to others, we have the joy of receiving (Luke 6:38). This is not salvation by works, but the blessing of obedience.

    Put your faith in Christ. You are not lost and certainly not an apostate. He is able and willing to forgive you if you confess your sins and to restore you. It is a privilege to talk with Him, but an even greater blessing to walk with Him. The harvest is plentiful but the labourers are few. Pray to the Lord "Here I am Lord, send me" - He will certainly answer that prayer.
     
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  19. bathelter01

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    This is really hard for me to admit and I’ve been pushing it down for these past two years. I know that with my head I have been trying to return to Christ but with my heart I find myself uninterested and resistant. Like from a heart level, I don’t want to repent of sin and I see no need for Christ. I don’t know why my heart would be like this other than loss of salvation. My heart resists when I try to repent. It seems as though my saving faith has evaporated and I don’t believe anymore. Will he overcome my heart and bring it back to repentance or is this the end?
     
  20. Anthony2019

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    I am wondering whether perhaps your resistance is coming from a fear of some kind which is holding you back? Perhaps a fear of rejection? Perhaps the fear of committing yourself to God not knowing where this may take you? Or maybe the fear of opening yourself up totally. Confessing our sins is not an easy task and coming to terms with things in our lives can make us feel vulnerable and uncertain. You can be absolutely sure that God loves you and wants to bless you, not to harm you. He wants to heal you, not hurt you. You do not need to be afraid because His perfect love casts out all fear. He will never reject you if you come to Him. You could run away from Him a thousand times, come back and He would still welcome you with His tenderness and care.
     
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