What to do, since the gaslight is over?

[Pommer]

No it was not proven. The jury was able to choose several options individually. They did not have to conclude unanimously his crime.

And yet, they did!
To you, this seems ludicrous, for some reason?

 

[ralliann]

not true.


Page | 49 Deliberations "Your verdict, on each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous; that is, each and every juror must agree to it."

Not on what the crime was....

 

[ralliann]

And yet, they did!

They did not on what the crime was.

To you, this seems ludicrous, for some reason?

See the above..

 

[ralliann]

not true.


Page | 49 Deliberations "Your verdict, on each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous; that is, each and every juror must agree to it."

Not guilty on what the crime was......pick a crime, any crime....

 

[ralliann]

LoL! Who even believes this stuff?

After all the gaslighting who wouldn't?

 

[FenderTL5]

Not guilty on what the crime was......pick a crime, any crime....

This one:
Page | 27 The Charged Crimes I will now instruct you on the law applicable to the charged offense.
That offense is FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE – 34 COUNTS.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

After all the gaslighting who wouldn't?

 

[Postvieww]

LoL! Who even believes this stuff?

Apparently many have fallen for the "misinformation"!

 

[Hans Blaster]

That doesn't make the payment to Stormy campaign money!

It wasn't. Not sure who is selling this notion.

It was first Cohen's money, then once repaid, Trump's. When Cohen made the payment for the support of the campaign it was a campaign violation and he went to prison for it. When Trump failed to report his repayment it was also a violation.

 

[Postvieww]

34 convictions say otherwise

False: Each conviction on the 34 felony counts of falsifying business records required a unanimous verdict from the jury.

Misleading. The underlying crime which Trump was alleged to be covering up was given to the jury in the instructions that it could be this one or that one or maybe this other one. He was never charged with that crime and they did NOT have to be unanimous on which crime that was. Just pick one he must have committed some crime just get him.

Shame trial that will be overturned. So liberals get to bask in the glory of saying convicted felon until it is overturned.Sure helps the fund raising.

 

[Postvieww]

It wasn't. Not sure who is selling this notion.

It was first Cohen's money, then once repaid, Trump's. When Cohen made the payment for the support of the campaign it was a campaign violation and he went to prison for it. When Trump failed to report his repayment it was also a violation.

It didn't become a campaign contribution until the opportunity to get Trump was needed. Everyone knows that sometimes pleading guilty is not always proof of guilt. Lighter sentence, stop the drain on my money are just a couple of reasons, many plead guilty to anything to stop the pain. This was a sham trial that will be overturned!

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Shame trial that will be overturned. So liberals get to bask in the glory of saying convicted felon until it is overturned.Sure helps the fund raising.

The man has 88 charges. Even if he is somehow, miraculously, found innocent of the ones he’s already been found guilty of, there are 54 more charges waiting for him, lol.

 

[Postvieww]

The man has 88 charges. Even if he is somehow, miraculously, found innocent of the ones he’s already been found guilty of, there are 54 more charges waiting for him, lol.

And those cases are falling apart LOL!

 

[Tropical Wilds]

And those cases are falling apart LOL!

You are clearly in a different timeline than the rest of us.

 

[Hans Blaster]

It didn't become a campaign contribution until the opportunity to get Trump was needed. Everyone knows that sometimes pleading guilty is not always proof of guilt. Lighter sentence, stop the drain on my money are just a couple of reasons, many plead guilty to anything to stop the pain. This was a sham trial that will be overturned!

It was always a campaign contribution, but no one (except Trump, Daniels, and a few associates) knew about it until it was revealed.

 

[DaisyDay]

500.
Last I saw an article claiming 95% of the protests were "peaceful" I looked at the math they used to determine this. It was around 500 riots.

500 during his last year in office. Still a minuscule 5% spread over a period of several months with some violence being minor and some not. 95% is mostly peaceful.

Let what burn?
The small business protests that I recall reading about included one.

Well, that's impressive - you remember reading about one...case closed.

It's entirely debatable whether or not the flag was indeed at the protest.

Then why bring it up? I seem to recall reading about something trivial that may or may not have been true.

I agree it's trivial, but when a news media company wants to paint a small business owner's attempts to save their business as "white supremacy" those flags really help.

Those flags - or a picture of one - that may or may not have been there bolsters your contention past dispute - white supremacy is mere propaganda made up by a dang news media company.

Redirect Notice

Did you read the story? It didn't portray the small business owners as white supremacists but said the protests attracted outside white supremacists. Conferedate flags and Nazi symbolism were used as a proxy for identification but maybe they were non-white-supremacist Nazis and states' rights protesters which would be odd since the lock-downs were from the state and not Trump, right?

It's the only choice being presented. It should be obvious even to the die hard Biden supporters that Joe can't plan a picnic. What exactly would anyone be voting for in the Democratic Party?

Aren't you the least bit angry with the Democratic Party? This isn't news to them...they've all been aware of this situation since 2021-2022. They didn't have to run Biden...they chose to. What's he running on? Staying alive for 4 years?

No, he has had actual accomplishments.

Every president that has run for reelection in my lifetime is at least a war criminal. I've tried looking up specifically what Trump was convicted on....but details are a bit hard to come by.

They really are not. The indictment, the trial transcripts and the verdict have been linked to over and over in this forum. But it's so hard to click on the links and read the document cloud. Your ignorance must surely be forgiven under these difficult circumstances.

Did they catch him coordinating with Russia? Perhaps he's been funding a genocide somewhere? Has he set up multiple shell companies to acquire cash for favors using his son as an intermediary? Has he shared highly sensitive classified docs with completely unqualified people? Oh I know....he used the power of the federal government to pursue defeat his political opponents?

He didn't need to use his sons as intermediaries although he did have them in charge of his revocable trust that was supposed to shield him from knowing who contributed what to his personal coffers. He apparently considered any presidential property his own personal property. His children and their spouses received direct favors in the form of patents and investments from countries they were visiting as official members of the administration. His first year in office he paid far more in income tax to China than to America.

Honestly, I haven't paid close attention and the 3 articles I read didn't mention the exact charges...as if that might diminish their seriousness....
What did they finally get to stick?

Read the indictment then the verdict.

 

[ralliann]

Misleading. The underlying crime which Trump was alleged to be covering up was given to the jury in the instructions that it could be this one or that one or maybe this other one. He was never charged with that crime and they did NOT have to be unanimous on which crime that was. Just pick one he must have committed some crime just get him.

And that "crime" is what determined business records accurate or false. It is kind of circular reasoning

Shame trial that will be overturned. So liberals get to bask in the glory of saying convicted felon until it is overturned.Sure helps the fund raising.

Yep..

 

[RocksInMyHead]

And that "crime" is what determined business records accurate or false.

Ah, no.

What made the business records false is that the payments to Cohen were recorded as "legal expenses". Fronting the money for an NDA is not a "legal expense," no matter the purpose of the NDA. The business records still would have been false even if Trump had not been running for office. The underlying crime that was being covered up was "conspiracy to promote or prevent the election of a candidate by unlawful means."

 

[ralliann]

Ah, no.

What made the business records false is that the payments to Cohen were recorded as "legal expenses".

Yep millions of NDA"s have been listed as such. What made this one False?

Fronting the money for an NDA is not a "legal expense," no matter the purpose of the NDA. The business records still would have been false even if Trump had not been running for office. The underlying crime that was being covered up was "conspiracy to promote or prevent the election of a candidate by unlawful means."

Again It was a non-disclosure agreement. A legal matter. What made it illegal?
EDITTED DNA out...

 

[Postvieww]

The underlying crime that was being covered up was "conspiracy to promote or prevent the election of a candidate by unlawful means."

And when was he charged with this crime?