What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

[keras]

Yes Christians are Israelites which are of every nation kindred and tongue.

Where you're off is the passages you refer to are not referring to the Holy Land we will reside in at all Keras. We are New Jerusalem and the temple. To be clear on this you should compare Revelation 21 to make that clear. No temple will be built because there's no need for a temple.

Look at your references the read Revelation 21:10-27 and get the true picture!

Revelation 21 is all about after the Millennium. In Eternity, but during the Kingdom of Jesus on earth, there will be a Temple, built before He Returns, proved by 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:4. Denial of those two plain verses, is a serious mistake.

 

[gomerian]

Revelation 21 is all about after the Millennium. In Eternity, but during the Kingdom of Jesus on earth, there will be a Temple, built before He Returns, proved by 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:4. Denial of those two plain verses, is a serious mistake.

So what is the mystery of iniquity (literally, without-law) about?
The Law continued in the Kingdom Gospel, all the way through from the Tanach.
So who was taken out of the way, that had something to do with the Law, other than Jesus?
And why is someone else being called the son of perdition (apollo), when Revelation calls him Apollyon, not the son of apollo?

If there are two separate gospels, are there also two separate revelations?

 

[keras]

If there are two separate gospels, are there also two separate revelations?

There is but one Gospel.
Re end time events and identities; we can get the general outline of what will happen, but many details are obscure to us and generally not worth wasting time over.
AFTER the Lord's Day of wrath, we will know much more. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:18, Jeremiah 3:15

 

[ebedmelech]

Revelation 21 is all about after the Millennium. In Eternity, but during the Kingdom of Jesus on earth, there will be a Temple, built before He Returns, proved by 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Revelation 11:4. Denial of those two plain verses, is a serious mistake.

The serious mistake Keras, is you fail to see you're in the millennium right now. How can you deny Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth right now when He clearly states that in Matthew 28:18 and Paul makes it clear in Ephesians 1:17-22 and Colossians 1:13-20?

2 Thessalonians 2:4 is history. Do you not understand this is Paul warning the Thessalonian saints of what would come upon them, to allow no one to deceive them??? Consider verse 5!

Revelation 11:4 is sending you to Zechariah 4:11-14. Try reconciling those passages...if you can.

 

[keras]

The serious mistake Keras, is you fail to see you're in the millennium right now. How can you deny Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth right now when He clearly states that in Matthew 28:18 and Paul makes it clear in Ephesians 1:17-22 and Colossians 1:13-20?

2 Thessalonians 2:4 is history. Do you not understand this is Paul warning the Thessalonian saints of what would come upon them, to allow no one to deceive them??? Consider verse 5!

Revelation 11:4 is sending you to Zechariah 4:11-14. Try reconciling those passages...if you can.

Jesus has been given the authority, but the reality is that He hasn't taken it up yet. He will do so at His glorious Return, not before.
This is simple, logical and obvious stuff, why insist on the Kingdom now, when the world is plainly not yet ruled by Jesus.

Your interpretation of the prophesies takes no account of current realities and suggests that what Paul wrote has no relevance to us. I totally reject it.

 

[ebedmelech]

Jesus has been given the authority, but the reality is that He hasn't taken it up yet. He will do so at His glorious Return, not before.
This is simple, logical and obvious stuff, why insist on the Kingdom now, when the world is plainly not yet ruled by Jesus.

Your interpretation of the prophesies takes no account of current realities and suggests that what Paul wrote has no relevance to us. I totally reject it.

That is so terrible to say Keras. Jesus reigns and for you to say. Paul tells us all things are under His feet but you flat contradict that not understanding that He controls EVERYTHING that happens. The Kingdom is now. Why do you think Paul says to the Colossians that God translated them into the kingdom of His dear Son? That goes for every saved individual...they are in the kingdom. Do you not get that? WOW!!!!

 

[gomerian]

QUOTE="gomerian, post: 72912789, member: 409281"]So what is the mystery of iniquity (literally, without-law) about?
The Law continued in the Kingdom Gospel, all the way through from the Tanach.
So who was taken out of the way, that had something to do with the Law, other than Jesus?
And why is someone else being called the son of perdition (apollo), when Revelation calls him Apollyon, not the son of apollo?

If there are two separate gospels, are there also two separate revelations?[/QUOTE

QUOTE="keras, post: 72912826, member: 324545"]
There is but one Gospel.
Re end time events and identities; we can get the general outline of what will happen, but many details are obscure to us and generally not worth wasting time over.[/QUOTE

Events and identities must actually be a matter of life and death, otherwise the prophets wasted their time and lost their lives, on what you don't consider worth your time. Since they put their lives on the line, I react accordingly.

What reconciles the two extremely different gospels at hand is this:
(1) The Kingdom Gospel is "only unto the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel."
(2) The grace-without-law is for the gentiles.

 

[keras]

That goes for every saved individual...they are in the kingdom. Do you not get that?

Spiritually, yes. Physically, no.

Easy to destroy your belief of the Kingdom now; 1 Peter 5:8 Be on the alert, your enemy the devil is like a roaring lion, prowling around looking for people to devour.
The prince of the world is the devil, we Jesus believers cannot relax our vigilance and must keep strong in our faith until the glorious Day Jesus will come down from heaven and take up His Kingship.

 

[gomerian]

The serious mistake Keras, is you fail to see you're in the millennium right now. How can you deny Jesus has all authority in heaven and on earth right now when He clearly states that in Matthew 28:18

Satan has been sentenced, but his head hasn't even been dented yet, much less crushed. And he's certainly not bound and unable to deceive the nations.

 

[keras]

Events and identities must actually be a matter of life and death, otherwise the prophets wasted their time and lost their lives, on what you don't consider worth your time. Since they put their lives on the line, I react accordingly.

What reconciles the two extremely different gospels at hand is this:
(1) The Kingdom Gospel is "only unto the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel."
(2) The grace-without-law is for the gentiles.

Well, you understand me completely wrongly.
I take very seriously what the prophets wrote. To prove it, look at my website, where I have over 700 articles on the Prophetic Word. www.logostelos.info All free to read or download.

What I meant was that really, we are just given the outlines and very brief details of future things. I expect that when the end times is all over, many books will be written on each event.

Your points 1/ Please tell us who belongs to the Lost Tribes of Israel. Remember that the Jews are of the House of Judah.
2/ Where do you find scriptures that say the Lord's grace is exclusively for the Gentiles?
You have an anomaly, in that the Jews call anyone not a Jew; a Gentile and the House of Israel is not Jewish.

 

[BABerean2]

You're saying that no human has ever kept themselves from breaking the 10 Commandments.

Nobody, except Christ and you ...


Rom_3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
Gal 5:4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

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[gomerian]

Your points 1/ Please tell us who belongs to the Lost Tribes of Israel. Remember that the Jews are of the House of Judah.
2/ Where do you find scriptures that say the Lord's grace is exclusively for the Gentiles?
You have an anomaly, in that the Jews call anyone not a Jew; a Gentile and the House of Israel is not Jewish.

(1) Those who hear Jesus' voice and follow Him, and no one else, including hirelings and various strangers, per the whole chapter of John 10, for starters. Jesus says that He came only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, and they are precisely the ones that Jesus taught the Kingdom Gospel.
(2) But I said grace-without-law is the gospel to the gentiles. Gentiles are non-Semitic people... I don't use the Jewish description, since they say Israel is "dead to them", but call Edomites "none other than Jews".

Judah/Benjamin is an entirely different category, anyway, since they haven't said blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD*, Their house is still left unto them eremos, according to Matthew 23:38.
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*In my understanding, this means they would have to accept only the Kingdom Gospel which Jesus spoke, via John 17:20.

 

[gomerian]

Nobody, except Christ and you ...
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Your own writer knows that his gospel is for the uncircumcision, why don't you? Those verses of yours do not apply to me.

Now... since you failed to answer my question to you, I will give you the answer... from the First Testament:

In Psalms 14:2-4, The "children of men" are the gentiles, and "My people" are Israelites who follow the Law.

In other words, BABerean2, your gentile-gospel is telling YOU that you are not righteous, not a one of you, little gentile.
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Only Jesus' sheep hear His voice, and will follow no other. John 10

 

[BABerean2]

Only Jesus' sheep hear His voice, and will follow no other. John 10

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."



Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.


Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

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[gomerian]

Act 15:24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment—

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

Given Galatians 2:9... weren't there ANY Hebrews in Antioch? [rhetorical question]

Nothing that Jesus had NOT taught Peter would be what Peter taught. Peter, having fallen three times, has been told three times to feed Jesus' sheep. Peter, being neither stupid nor lost, fed the sheep exactly what Jesus taught him.

Since Jesus says that He taught the Gospel of the Kingdom, in Matthew 4:23, the Kingdom Gospel is the one and only gospel that Peter taught. In the Kingdom Gospel, circumcision is still in place, because not one single letter of the Law will be removed until after the Millennium.

The problem seems to be that the two didn't keep their gospels to themselves... although, to be fair, we don't read in canon what the circumcision has to say about the event in Antioch.

 

[BABerean2]

In the Kingdom Gospel, circumcision is still in place, because not one single letter of the Law will be removed until after the Millennium.

Are you promoting the doctrine of the Judaisers in the statement above, by claiming that "circumcision is still in place" ?

Now I know why you have rejected the writings of Luke.

You have to throw out Acts of the Apostles 15:24, or see your doctrine fall apart.

You have probably also thrown out the writings of Paul, whether or not you will ever admit it, because Paul also destroys the doctrine of the Judaisers.

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[ebedmelech]

Spiritually, yes. Physically, no.

Easy to destroy your belief of the Kingdom now; 1 Peter 5:8 Be on the alert, your enemy the devil is like a roaring lion, prowling around looking for people to devour.
The prince of the world is the devil, we Jesus believers cannot relax our vigilance and must keep strong in our faith until the glorious Day Jesus will come down from heaven and take up His Kingship.

Keras, you're kind of backwards. The same Peter tells us we are a chosen race and a royal priesthood. Paul warns us to put on the full armor of God because we are fighting against the devil as members of the kingdom.

Furthermore John tells us we are in the world NOT of the world...and Peter tells us we are strangers and pilgrims. Why? Because we're already in the kingdom of our Lord.

You need to work through your theology Keras because Revelation 1:4-6 destroys your thinking:
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—
6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

If you need more...I have a lot more for you Keras.

 

[ebedmelech]

Satan has been sentenced, but his head hasn't even been dented yet, much less crushed. And he's certainly not bound and unable to deceive the nations.

Yes...but there's no place for Satan in the heaven anymore because he was defeated at the cross. Jesus made that clear in John 12:27-36 as He head to the cross. Contrast that with Revelation 12:7-11!!!

Furthermore if Satan is not bound...how does anyone become saved? Think on that one awhile.

 

[gomerian]

Are you are promoting the doctrine of the Judaisers in the statement above, by claiming that "circumcision is still in place" ?

Now I know why you have rejected the writings of Luke.

You have to throw out Acts of the Apostles 15:24, or see your doctrine fall apart.

You have probably also thrown out the writings of Paul, whether or not you will ever admit it, because Paul also destroys the doctrine of the Judaisers.

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Paul tells you there are two separate gospels, and that he
teaches gentiles. Luke travels with him, and so does Mark.
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This is one basket.

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Jesus' Kingdom Gospel says that the whole law
will be in place until Heaven and Earth pass away.
Peter, Matthew, John, Jude, and James belong to Him.
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This is another basket.

 

[gomerian]

Yes...but there's no place for Satan in the heaven anymore because he was defeated at the cross. Jesus made that clear in John 12:27-36 as He head to the cross. Contrast that with Revelation 12:7-11!!!

Furthermore if Satan is not bound...how does anyone become saved? Think on that one awhile.

Satan was defeated partially because of the sacrifice, not at the sacrifice. The rest of the defeat happens because of John 16:9-11, and because of Revelation 17:14... etc.

These two things are two woes:
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh messenger did sound, and there came great voices in the heaven, saying, 'The kingdoms of the world did become [those] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign to the ages of the ages!'
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a great voice saying in the heaven, 'Now did come the salvation, and the power, and the reign, of our God, and the authority of His Christ, because cast down was the accuser of our brethren, who is accusing them before our God day and night;

This second verse means that Satan has been, all of this time, accusing the people he is, at the same time, deceiving. In any case, he has been roaming all over the creation this whole time, since Eden when God said the seed of the woman would bruise his head. He has apparently been left loose so that he can fully deserve all of the credit for deceiving the nations, since he will lack that power when he is chained.

Your ideas of what it takes to be ransomed probably don't match mine... I have thought about it, and I agree with Jesus.